On Sun, 2009-04-19 at 11:52 +1000, Carsten Haitzler wrote:
On Sat, 18 Apr 2009 12:13:08 +0200 Bram Neijt bne...@gmail.com said:
This looks like a great list! I'll go through the points one by one...
On Sat, 2009-04-18 at 01:03 +0200, Leonti Bielski wrote:
Enlightenment is the best
Effectively you are saying nothing else was good enough. But that is
what everybody says when you ask them why they created something, they
say I needed it, and it wasn't there already.
Could you be more specific on which features you want, and why other
toolkits can not deliver them? Or give an
On Tue, 21 Apr 2009 12:05:44 +0200 Bram Neijt bne...@gmail.com said:
i'm going to keep it short as i really dont have time to go into al the details.
1. i am not interested in c++. this gets rid of qt, fltk and a bunch of other
toolkits. i know there are enough devs also not interested in c++.
On Tue, 21 Apr 2009 13:00:33 +0200 Bram Neijt bne...@gmail.com said:
On Sun, 2009-04-19 at 11:52 +1000, Carsten Haitzler wrote:
On Sat, 18 Apr 2009 12:13:08 +0200 Bram Neijt bne...@gmail.com said:
This looks like a great list! I'll go through the points one by one...
On Sat,
On Tue, 21 Apr 2009 13:46:46 +0200 Pander pan...@users.sourceforge.net said:
Carsten,
Thanks that you took the time to explain it more in depth. Could you (or
others) give me some advise ragarding the following. I'm working on an
application that was written by others in PyGTK. I like it
Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote:
On Tue, 21 Apr 2009 12:05:44 +0200 Bram Neijt bne...@gmail.com said:
i'm going to keep it short as i really dont have time to go into al the
details.
1. i am not interested in c++. this gets rid of qt, fltk and a bunch of other
toolkits. i know
On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 2:26 PM, Carsten Haitzler ras...@rasterman.com wrote:
4. try do a ui that INST just plain normal widgets with gtk. see where you
get.
try do xmms (winamp etc.). efl drops into this kind of ui seamlessly as it
provides a canvas as the core drawing layer. making such
On Tue, 21 Apr 2009 15:23:46 +0200 Andreas Fischer cyberf...@gmx.net said:
Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote:
http://www.rasterman.com/files/wp2.avi
(i'm not done with it yet).
This is 100% astonishing and sexy - I want that on my desktop :P
Congrats for the good work.
it's in
2009/4/21 Andreas Fischer cyberf...@gmx.net:
Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote:
http://www.rasterman.com/files/wp2.avi
(i'm not done with it yet).
This is 100% astonishing and sexy - I want that on my desktop :P
Congrats for the good work.
The most exciting thing about e is that it's
Reading this, I do not consider continuing this discussion useful.
Thank you for your reply and happy hacking!
Bram
On Tue, 2009-04-21 at 21:38 +1000, Carsten Haitzler wrote:
On Tue, 21 Apr 2009 13:00:33 +0200 Bram Neijt bne...@gmail.com said:
On Sun, 2009-04-19 at 11:52 +1000, Carsten
Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote:
On Tue, 21 Apr 2009 13:46:46 +0200 Pander pan...@users.sourceforge.net said:
Does something like 'PyEnlightenment' exist? Is this Paroli? If I was to
port the application to Paroli or a 'PyEnlightenment', would it also
work for noob users on desktops,
On Sun, 19 Apr 2009 21:21:39 +0400 Nikita V. Youshchenko yo...@debian.org
said:
i considered it but as i couldnt do finger scrolling (middle of the
window - swipe to scroll) i chose not to try and push the work back onto
the app to adapt to a limited window side.
Theoretically it should
the problem is... it can't be done... unless:
skip
Hmm...
I've heared about more or less generic gestures implementations. A quick
google search gives this:
http://www.ubuntugeek.com/gestikk-mouse-gesture-recognition-in-ubuntu.html
How do they do it?
Nikita
i considered it but as i couldnt do finger scrolling (middle of the
window - swipe to scroll) i chose not to try and push the work back onto
the app to adapt to a limited window side.
Theoretically it should be possible to implement finger scrolling from the
middle of the window starting with
1. Theming - it keeps resources low and alows us to do everything we
want with GUI! Take shelf widgets as an example - you can change their
look, even functions - like digital clock instead of analog - without
changin the main code. I don't say it's not possible with GTK but it
way more
On Sun, Apr 19, 2009 at 21:50, Gunnar AAstrand Grimnes
gunnar.grim...@dfki.de wrote:
I wont say it's better in GTK, but it not exactly trivial for E.
It IS trivial. Default theme is large, but you can simply override
interesting you classes. Look, how it's done in e-wm-theme-illume-shr
theme.
On Sat, 18 Apr 2009 19:31:39 -0700 Ali alish...@interchange.ubc.ca said:
On Sun, 2009-04-19 at 11:28 +1000, Carsten Haitzler wrote:
.
so what other choices do you have if you have eliminated qt for license
reasons and you think gtk is just not up to snuff and is unlikely to get
there
On Sun, Apr 19, 2009 at 2:59 PM, Carsten Haitzler ras...@rasterman.com wrote:
On Sat, 18 Apr 2009 19:31:39 -0700 Ali alish...@interchange.ubc.ca said:
On Sun, 2009-04-19 at 11:28 +1000, Carsten Haitzler wrote:
.
so what other choices do you have if you have eliminated qt for license
On Sun, 19 Apr 2009 21:50:10 +0200
Gunnar AAstrand Grimnes gunnar.grim...@dfki.de wrote:
1. Theming - it keeps resources low and alows us to do everything we
want with GUI! Take shelf widgets as an example - you can change
their look, even functions - like digital clock instead of analog -
This looks like a great list! I'll go through the points one by one...
On Sat, 2009-04-18 at 01:03 +0200, Leonti Bielski wrote:
Enlightenment is the best choice for Freerunner!
1. Theming - it keeps resources low and alows us to do everything we
want with GUI! Take shelf widgets as an
On Thu, 16 Apr 2009 09:32:17 +0400 Nikita V. Youshchenko yo...@debian.org
said:
I wrote a small
dialer in python gtk and use normal applications from debian
(gpe-calendar, xvkbd keyboard, midori/firefox/arora/elinks browsers,
xchat, icewm window manager). This has give me a pretty stable
On Thu, 16 Apr 2009 17:11:37 +0200 Bram Neijt bne...@gmail.com said:
as such the choice of enviornment, thanks to it running x, is not limited, you
can use qt, gtk, sdl, fltk etc. e is a window manager - it happens to also have
spawned toolkits that lend themesleves to unique custom ui's and much
On Sat, 18 Apr 2009 12:13:08 +0200 Bram Neijt bne...@gmail.com said:
This looks like a great list! I'll go through the points one by one...
On Sat, 2009-04-18 at 01:03 +0200, Leonti Bielski wrote:
Enlightenment is the best choice for Freerunner!
1. Theming - it keeps resources low and
On Sun, 2009-04-19 at 11:28 +1000, Carsten Haitzler wrote:
.
so what other choices do you have if you have eliminated qt for license
reasons and you think gtk is just not up to snuff and is unlikely to get there
easily without major breaks?
I've been a fan of fltk for a little while now
Hey Bram,
Bram Neijt wrote:
When I tried hackable:1 it did not contain a dialer and had no basic
phone functionality, but I will be giving it another try in the near
future.
That's strange, all of our stable releases have always included the
dialer. Maybe you tried a
That could very well be what went wrong. I'll put hackable:1 on my list
and if I experience problems, I'll let you know. Thanks!
Bram
On Fri, 2009-04-17 at 13:19 +0200, Pierre Pronchery wrote:
When I tried hackable:1 it did not contain a dialer and had no basic
phone functionality, but I
Thomas Seiler wrote:
Hi,
Why enlightenment?
| You see things; and you say, 'Why?'
| But I dream things that never were; and I say, Why not?
|George Bernard Shaw,
Thumbs up, here! It was my reply too (Shaw, you only come up before! :P).
By the way if I can give my idea, the switch
I know this is inflammatory, but I really couldn't resist:
You see things; and you say, 'Why not?'
But I dream things that never were; and I say, Why not not?
Bram
On Fri, 2009-04-17 at 17:43 +0200, Marco Trevisan (Treviño) wrote:
Thomas Seiler wrote:
Hi,
Why enlightenment?
| You
Enlightenment is the best choice for Freerunner!
1. Theming - it keeps resources low and alows us to do everything we
want with GUI! Take shelf widgets as an example - you can change their
look, even functions - like digital clock instead of analog - without
changin the main code. I don't say
On Wed, Apr 15, 2009 at 10:57 PM, Bram Neijt bne...@gmail.com wrote:
I know this question must have come up once before, but I couldn't find
any real answer online, so I'm posting it here. Why enlightenment?
I haven't seen enlightenment being used for over 4 years,
huum ? I use it daily on
Dear Martin,
I understand that having a choice is a great freedom, but there is
another aspect lurking around the corner here:
If you buy a product from a company, part of the money you pay is used
to further the development of that company. You not only support it at
that moment, you support the
I've used debian and it worked, although screen locking was not
implemented yet and most of the functionality is placed in an applet
which is not at all finger friendly, but ok.
I did an update (apt-get update, apt-get dist-upgrade) and that
destroyed my xsession configuration and left me with
In theory this sounds like a good idea, but I think in practice the
scrollbars would have to be accessible in the middle of the screen.
Because the OpenMoko screen has an edge around it[1], using the edges of
the screen means pushing your finger inside a 90* corner and sliding
it.
Not something I
So what if the company decided to use that money for something you do
not want to be part of, or you think they are throwing away your money
doing stupid things. Well, I think at that moment you should pawn the
product, not endorse it (maybe even publicly denounce it) and then find
another
Saying it is designed for handheld devices still sound to me like
focusing on reimplementing something specially for a kind/set of
devices. Instead of the much more productive (IMHO) molding technology
into a handheld.
I still can't get around the feeling that using e is like re-inventing
the
True, I expected to like the Freerunner as a phone and thought the whole
freedom would just be an added bonus. If the phone isn't that good, I
could always fix small bugs and help out.
However, it turns out that I can't understand the direction the
mainstream development is going, and with this
On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 16:47, Bram Neijt bne...@gmail.com wrote:
As for SHR you mention, I didn't want to try SHR because the wiki[1]
states:
GSM network is lost after one day of uptime: restart your FR once a
day!
in the list of known issues. But maybe I should give it a try after all.
I
Johny Tenfinger schrieb:
On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 16:47, Bram Neijt bne...@gmail.com wrote:
As for SHR you mention, I didn't want to try SHR because the wiki[1]
states:
GSM network is lost after one day of uptime: restart your FR once a
day!
in the list of known issues. But maybe I should
Now testing is equal unstable ;) And before that unstable was more
stable than testing :D
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If you'd prefer using Qt or GTK, both have dedicated distros.
For instance, hackable:1 is the continuation of the initial OpenMoko software
stack that was based on GTK.
As to why openmoko guys decided one day to sacrifice all the work already done
with GTK and to go for a plain new framework,
E libraries seems to be a fastest and lightnest on Neo hardware. When
using proper theme of course. And they provide very nice way for
layouting. I was sceptic about e too, but when I see that libs in
action (from both user and developer side), I'm sure that was good
decision. There is even Illume
When I tried hackable:1 it did not contain a dialer and had no basic
phone functionality, but I will be giving it another try in the near
future.
Thank you for your reply.
Bram
On Wed, 2009-04-15 at 23:19 +0200, Cedric Cellier wrote:
If you'd prefer using Qt or GTK, both have dedicated
Saying that the libs are dedicated to the Neo sounds like my worst
nightmare: no application anywhere ever uses them.. except for some of
the programs written specially for the Neo. That would imply that, if
you ever want to use an application on the Neo, you will have to port it
(or live with the
Bram Neijt bne...@gmail.com writes:
Saying that the libs are dedicated to the Neo sounds like my worst
nightmare: no application anywhere ever uses them.. except for some of
I have had these same thoughts for months. Fortunately it is perfectly
possible to use freerunner without using E at all.
No, you didn't understand me. It isn't dedicated for Neo. It's
designed for handheld devices. Like Neo. And under that environment
you can still use other toolkits. And when I said about good apps I
was thinking about phone apps. And it seems that SHR has really good,
e17 phone apps. They would be
Am Mittwoch, 15. April 2009 schrieb Bram Neijt:
I know this question must have come up once before, but I couldn't find
any real answer online, so I'm posting it here. Why enlightenment?
at least one developer from enlightenment
(see http://www.enlightenment.org/p.php?p=contactl=en)
was working
On Wed, 15 Apr 2009 22:57:57 +0200
Bram Neijt bne...@gmail.com wrote:
I know this question must have come up once before, but I couldn't
find any real answer online, so I'm posting it here. Why
enlightenment?
I haven't seen enlightenment being used for over 4 years, and with the
wealth of
I wrote a small
dialer in python gtk and use normal applications from debian
(gpe-calendar, xvkbd keyboard, midori/firefox/arora/elinks browsers,
xchat, icewm window manager). This has give me a pretty stable no
surprises around corners environment with lots of applications and
let me to
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