Remember this varies with national legislation. In the UK there is AFAIK no 1
year grace period; public disclosure instantly renders the invention
unpatentable.
On Sunday 02 December 2007, Clayton Jones wrote:
Just a quick note based on all the patent research i've done:
Any disclosure in a
ok-for hardware and software concerns, how can we donate an idea to the
public, to guarantee the inability of someone patenting the idea?
Something above just mentioning it on a public/mediated ml.
In addition, could you publicly state your idea to timestamp it for
patenting?
-Kyle
On Dec 3,
For a proper answer you'll have to ask a patent lawyer in your jurisdiction.
The rules change from country to country, and are possibly much more nuanced
than a non-lawyer will remember. There's a fine example on Groklaw where a US
patent lawyer explains the various cutoff dates which may or
um, is anyone that's replied on this thread a member of the University of
Glasgow team that developed the software(shoogle)? I'm guessing not. it
has obviously already been invented, which means that disclosure arguments
are rendered moot by prior art. Moreover, trying to patent something that
Actually, I don't think shoogle mentioned the pairing-shaking security
idea. I thought that they were only creating non visual user interfaces to
things like number of SMSs and battery charge. The main similarity is
shaking, which maracas and rainsticks both clearly have prior art on these
As I understand it this part of the thread has wandered OT onto the
generalities of public disclosure and its effect on patentability. There has
been no suggestion that anyone should knowingly try to patent somebody else's
idea. The shake-to-pair video is credited to Rene Mayrhofer and Hans
On Dec 3, 2007 12:02 PM, Randall Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Actually, I don't think shoogle mentioned the pairing-shaking security
idea. I thought that they were only creating non visual user interfaces to
things like number of SMSs and battery charge. The main similarity is
shaking,
sorry, missed some of the topic shift, but again, there's that youtube video
posted previously showing something extremely similar
It's also interesting that this could work more like a pre-shared key... we
don't have to use asynchronous crypto since both devices could generate the
same key off
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Actually, I don't think shoogle mentioned the pairing-shaking security
idea. I thought that they were only creating non visual user interfaces
to things
On Dec 1, 2007 4:35 AM, Nkoli [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Nov 30, 2007 3:34 PM, Michael Shiloh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
If Bob (or Alice) hands his (or her) phone to the other, then if both
phones are shaken in the same hand, the acceleration pattern might
provide an extremely unique
On Dec 3, 2007 10:51 AM, Ortwin Regel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
An interesting (though probably not as useful and secure) variation could be
to stack the phones on top of each other and have one phone send a vibration
pattern to the other. One could even exchange data that way at very very low
Oh yeah, you could totally do it in morse code, which would be faster then
if you actually sent bits represented by vibrations.
On Dec 3, 2007 11:51 AM, Ortwin Regel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Dec 1, 2007 4:35 AM, Nkoli [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Nov 30, 2007 3:34 PM, Michael Shiloh
what a great way to:
a-learn morse code
b-bring it back in style!
-Kyle
On Dec 3, 2007 1:01 PM, Tim Shannon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Oh yeah, you could totally do it in morse code, which would be faster then
if you actually sent bits represented by vibrations.
On Dec 3, 2007 11:51 AM,
Shawn Rutledge wrote:
On Dec 3, 2007 10:51 AM, Ortwin Regel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
An interesting (though probably not as useful and secure) variation could be
to stack the phones on top of each other and have one phone send a vibration
pattern to the other. One could even exchange data
An interesting (though probably not as useful and secure) variation
could be to stack the phones on top of each other and have one
phone send a vibration pattern to the other. One could even
exchange data that way at very very low speeds... B)
This is really a great idea. I'm positive we
Jay Vaughan wrote:
An interesting (though probably not as useful and secure) variation
could be to stack the phones on top of each other and have one phone
send a vibration pattern to the other. One could even exchange data
that way at very very low speeds... B)
This is really a great
Although the disclosure itself in a trackable dated message forum would
seem to prove pretty conclusivly that AT THAT TIME anyway you had the
idea.
So it dates the idea
As to whether or not it is public well that perhaps depends perhaps on
the exclusivity of the forum.
Additionally there
: need someone to develop this
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As I understand it this part of the thread has wandered OT onto the
generalities of public disclosure and its effect on patentability.
There has been
Just a quick note based on all the patent research i've done:
Any disclosure in a public forum, whether limited in distribution or
not, is considered public disclosure. As a matter of fact, telling
anyone your idea (other than the people who are co-inventors) is
considered public disclosure.
] On Behalf Of Michael Shiloh
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If Bob (or Alice) hands his (or her) phone to the other, then if both
phones are shaken in the same hand, the acceleration pattern might
Quoting GWMobile [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
[...] same as a public printing therefore I think it would still be
patentable.
If it wasn't old. Don't know if there are patents on it though.
Hopefully not, as those should go the way of the dodo anyway.
Not to say the OP couldn't have reinvented it
, December 01, 2007 2:34 AM
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I don't think discussing this here would be considered an open
disclosure.
Talking on a finite list or limited membership with moderation and thus
controlled
On Saturday 01 December 2007 08:34:08 GWMobile wrote:
I don't think discussing this here would be considered an open
disclosure.
Talking on a finite list or limited membership with moderation and thus
controlled membership is not necessarily open disclosure and not the
same as a public
GWMobile writes:
I don't think discussing this here would be considered an open
disclosure.
Talking on a finite list or limited membership with moderation and thus
controlled membership is not necessarily open disclosure and not the
same as a public printing therefore I think it would still be
nfc trial in london
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/7117213.stm
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exciting stuff, they've had this in japan for a while. i guess
security will be the only concern.
On 01/12/2007, br [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
nfc trial in london
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/7117213.stm
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Heikki Sørum wrote:
When were talking about different ways to use accelerometers..
Bob meet's Alice and they both want each others contact
information. First Bob and Alice shake their phones in an predetermined
password pattern to unlock the
bluetooth/zigbe/(whatever-short-range-radio).
Then
Beware. This is not a new idea. Patents? ;)
Btw. i would suggest bashing the phones together. (like a wood block
instrument)
This will produce uinique paterns which do not depend very much on the
resolution of the accelerometers and could easyly picket up by a legacy
microphone of any
On Nov 30, 2007 1:34 PM, Michael Shiloh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
If Bob (or Alice) hands his (or her) phone to the other, then if both
phones are shaken in the same hand, the acceleration pattern might
provide an extremely unique yet similar signature, not unlike exchanging
an encryption key.
On Nov 30, 2007 3:34 PM, Michael Shiloh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
If Bob (or Alice) hands his (or her) phone to the other, then if both
phones are shaken in the same hand, the acceleration pattern might
provide an extremely unique yet similar signature, not unlike exchanging
an encryption
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I was wondering...
I did already suggest NFC in a post some days ago (Hardware addition ideas for (=)
GTA03 on Sun Nov 25 19:36:23 CET 2007), but got absolutely no reaction (I suggested
multi-SIM capability too), and now I am wondering what was so bad about *my*
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If Bob (or Alice) hands his (or her) phone to the other, then if both
phones are shaken in the same hand, the acceleration pattern might
provide an extremely unique yet similar signature, not unlike exchanging
an encryption key.
So if you want to establish a trusted relationship with
bluetooth devices could also
exchange an RSA/DSA encryption key to ensure private
SMS/MMS/conversations.
Heikki Soerum.
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this Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 12:03
WJCarpenter wrote:
Eg hold two devices next to each other and shake them up and down
Hmm, I think I can see what's coming, based on watching many wacky comedies
over the years. Things will get switched. Alice
will end up with the Neo full of cash while Bob wanders away with the Neo
When i get a phone i wanna try making this :D
Michael Shiloh wrote:
Jay Vaughan wrote:
On Nov 29, 2007, at 8:23 PM, Tim Shannon wrote:
Personally, I'd like to see it blink on and off, and scream when you
shook, then I could show my friends my possessed linux phone.
i bet you can do
Eg hold two devices next to each other and shake them up and down
Hmm, I think I can see what's coming, based on watching many wacky comedies
over the years. Things will get switched. Alice
will end up with the Neo full of cash while Bob wanders away with the Neo
containing two pairs of
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Subject: Re: need someone to develop this
If Bob (or Alice) hands his (or her) phone to the other, then if both
phones are shaken in the same hand, the acceleration pattern might
provide an extremely unique yet similar signature, not unlike
exchanging
an encryption key.
So if you
Robin Paulson wrote:
it's a phone app that reports the remaining battery life, when shaken,
by making sloshing sounds - the more battery, the more 'full' it
sounds
what a wonderfully inventive use of accelerometers
...and i was wondering what they would be good for. How much pot was
what a wonderfully inventive use of accelerometers
...and i was wondering what they would be good for.
feedback for controlling a live music sequencer while on stage in
front of 10's of thousands of people ..
How much pot was
involved in the idea?
probably a lot.
;
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On 30/11/2007, Jay Vaughan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
what a wonderfully inventive use of accelerometers
...and i was wondering what they would be good for.
feedback for controlling a live music sequencer while on stage in
front of 10's of thousands of people ..
original sloshing indicator
feedback for controlling a live music sequencer while on stage in
front of 10's of thousands of people ..
original sloshing indicator added to the wiki wish list. Jay, would
you care to elaborate on your idea, sounds interesting?
well .. consider the openmoko/neo1973 device more of a re-
Personally, I'd like to see it blink on and off, and scream when you shook,
then I could show my friends my possessed linux phone.
On Nov 29, 2007 1:15 PM, Jay Vaughan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
feedback for controlling a live music sequencer while on stage in
front of 10's of thousands of
On Nov 29, 2007, at 8:23 PM, Tim Shannon wrote:
Personally, I'd like to see it blink on and off, and scream when
you shook, then I could show my friends my possessed linux phone.
i bet you can do that in about 3 line of code once the gta02 arrives.
;
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Lol - I love it. Fantastic.
Regards,
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+1
that would be sweet
On Wed, 28 Nov 2007 13:35:27 -0500, Dean Collins [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Lol - I love it. Fantastic.
Regards,
Dean Collins
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Oh yes.
Someone, please do this. I'll support in any way I can.
Michael
Robin Paulson wrote:
ok, it's pointless, stupid and probably a waste of resources, but this
has to be developed by somebody:
http://mobile.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/11/28/1342248
it's a phone app that reports the
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