Re: receiving SMS messages
> If the phone is in standby, and I receive a text message, the phone > wakes up but does not receive a text message. The person sending the > message does, however, receive a delivery report. This occurs in both > images as well. This is now fixed in the latest qtopia image 080808 (haven't tried the 2008.8 openmoko image yet). This is looking very promising as a day to day phone! Cheers, Tim ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: receiving SMS messages
On Tue, Aug 05, 2008 at 09:36:08PM +0100, Dan Weatherill wrote: > I recently received my freerunner, and am enjoying it so far! > > I have mainly been using the qtopia image from qtopia.net, but have > been regularly updating my kernel from buildhost.openmoko.org. > > On doing some testing, I find the following: I can receive SMS messages > perfectly whilst the phone is on, in qtopia. Not always so well in the GTK > stack. > > If the phone is in standby, and I receive a text message, the phone > wakes up but does not receive a text message. The person sending the > message does, however, receive a delivery report. This occurs in both > images as well. > > If I then subsequently receive a message after the others, whilst the > phone is out of standby, I receive all the messages together. Hence, no > messages are "lost" in the ether, but it seems that messages received > whilst the phone is on standby are temporarily mislaid. > If there is any information I can provide to help you sort this please just > let me know. This is one of very few things preventing me using the neo > as a day to day phone with qtopia. I observed this too, and filed a bug: https://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1792 Regards, Thomas ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: receiving SMS messages
Bruce Adams schrieb: > I've had the impression, on other phones, that the GSM network could > successfully deliver a message into the SIM card inside my phone, but if > the phone software was too distracted to hear the initial notification > from the SIM card about the new message, the phone wouldn't notice the > message until another message came along or something else happened > (such as rebooting the phone) that caused the phone to look for messages > on the SIM. > that's just the way it is on my "Sony Ericsson p1" and O2. (But there they say it is a problem with O2-Germany. But no one knows why no other handy has this problem ;) ) So i'm used to it, to have a buggy handy. and thisone wouldn't get new Software-Fixes every day. I am seeing forward to replace it with my Om2008.8/Freerunner . ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: receiving SMS messages
This is what seems to happen for me on 2007.2 on the Oz vodafone network. Sent an sms (didnt ask for rx) to the phone after it had been in dim&lock for a couple of hours. No indication of message - phone didnt wakeup. On actually waking phone, by pressing pwr button some 10 minutes after sending the sms, the message received ring sounded as the display became live. As sms reception did wakeup the phone at some point, a bug has been introduced somewhere that needs tracking down. BillK On Thu, 2008-08-07 at 15:09 -0400, Bruce Adams wrote: > I've had the impression, on other phones, that the GSM network could > successfully deliver a message into the SIM card inside my phone, but if > the phone software was too distracted to hear the initial notification > from the SIM card about the new message, the phone wouldn't notice the > message until another message came along or something else happened > (such as rebooting the phone) that caused the phone to look for messages > on the SIM. > > Is there a way to actively interrogate the SIM card for a list of > messages (instead of waiting around for a new message notification)? > > - Bruce > > P.S. I have to admit I have zero depth of knowledge about SMS, GSM or > SIM cards. > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: receiving SMS messages
I've had the impression, on other phones, that the GSM network could successfully deliver a message into the SIM card inside my phone, but if the phone software was too distracted to hear the initial notification from the SIM card about the new message, the phone wouldn't notice the message until another message came along or something else happened (such as rebooting the phone) that caused the phone to look for messages on the SIM. Is there a way to actively interrogate the SIM card for a list of messages (instead of waiting around for a new message notification)? - Bruce P.S. I have to admit I have zero depth of knowledge about SMS, GSM or SIM cards. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: receiving SMS messages
On Thursday 07 August 2008 03:04:02 Robert William Hutton wrote: > Dan Weatherill wrote: > > If the phone is in standby, and I receive a text message, the phone > > wakes up but does not receive a text message. The person sending the > > message does, however, receive a delivery report. This occurs in both > > images as well. > > > > If I then subsequently receive a message after the others, whilst the > > phone is out of standby, I receive all the messages together. Hence, no > > messages are "lost" in the ether, but it seems that messages received > > whilst the phone is on standby are temporarily mislaid. > > This could be a possible explanation of what's going on: > > 1. The network attempts to send an SMS to your phone. > 2. The GSM chip receives notification from the network that there's an SMS. > 3. The GSM chip says to the network: wait, I'm temporarily unable to > receive (as the phone's asleep) and wakes up the system. > 4. The system comes up and waits. > 5. In the meantime the network has accepted that the SMS can't be sent, > and puts it into some kind of wait queue. > > It's up to the network what kind of exponential backoff algorithm they > use to decide when to resend. If the phone goes back to sleep before > the network attempts a resend, then the same events will occur at some > later time and the SMS will end up going back into the queue. Again and > again. > > On the Optus network, and from my experience with my old phone whose > inbox filled up all the time, the time between retries can become long > quite fast. When a subsequent SMS is sent, this always flushes the > retry queue as well, which is why you receive several messages at a time. > > Cheers, > > Rob. Hi Rob (and everyone else), I did originally think this was what was happening, but It's definitely not the whole picture. For one thing, the sender receives a delivery receipt even though the text has not arrived. Ok, I hear you say, it could still be the case that the network sends a delivery receipt when the text has not arrived at the actual handset, but just the "queue". To test this, I intend to switch my freerunner on, have a message sent to it whilst it is in standby, and then plug it in and leave it on (not standby) for about six hours. I'll let you know how I get on. Dan ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: receiving SMS messages
Alle 04:04, giovedì 7 agosto 2008, Robert William Hutton ha scritto: > 5. In the meantime the network has accepted that the SMS can't be sent, > and puts it into some kind of wait queue. Is not possible, after the GSM is fully up, say to the network "I'm ready, is something waiting for me?" -- We do not colonize. We conquer. We rule. There is no other way for us. -- Rojan, "By Any Other Name", stardate 4657.5 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: receiving SMS messages
Dan Weatherill wrote: > If the phone is in standby, and I receive a text message, the phone > wakes up but does not receive a text message. The person sending the > message does, however, receive a delivery report. This occurs in both > images as well. > > If I then subsequently receive a message after the others, whilst the > phone is out of standby, I receive all the messages together. Hence, no > messages are "lost" in the ether, but it seems that messages received > whilst the phone is on standby are temporarily mislaid. This could be a possible explanation of what's going on: 1. The network attempts to send an SMS to your phone. 2. The GSM chip receives notification from the network that there's an SMS. 3. The GSM chip says to the network: wait, I'm temporarily unable to receive (as the phone's asleep) and wakes up the system. 4. The system comes up and waits. 5. In the meantime the network has accepted that the SMS can't be sent, and puts it into some kind of wait queue. It's up to the network what kind of exponential backoff algorithm they use to decide when to resend. If the phone goes back to sleep before the network attempts a resend, then the same events will occur at some later time and the SMS will end up going back into the queue. Again and again. On the Optus network, and from my experience with my old phone whose inbox filled up all the time, the time between retries can become long quite fast. When a subsequent SMS is sent, this always flushes the retry queue as well, which is why you receive several messages at a time. Cheers, Rob. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: receiving SMS messages
Alle 00:17, mercoledì 6 agosto 2008, Tim Coggins ha scritto: > I can confirm this; it's been happening for the last week or so. > > Tim This is also for me. I use gtk and massages (not all) can be recived after hours or days. My TLC is Vodafone (italy) -- Romulan women are not like Vulcan females. We are not dedicated to pure logic and the sterility of non-emotion. -- Romulan Commander, "The Enterprise Incident", stardate 5027.3 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: receiving SMS messages
> Are you able to send OK with the Qtopia image? I can receive but not send. > Could be an issue with my provider which is T-Mobile. Haven't tested > receiving in suspend vs. awake mode but will try it. I can send txt messages with the Qtopia image with Virgin mobile (Optus network) in Australia, but have the same problem that when the phone is in suspend mode the messages do not appear. Regards, Tim ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: receiving SMS messages
Are you able to send OK with the Qtopia image? I can receive but not send. Could be an issue with my provider which is T-Mobile. Haven't tested receiving in suspend vs. awake mode but will try it. - Original Message - From: "Tim Coggins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "List for Openmoko community discussion" Sent: Tuesday, August 5, 2008 4:17:09 PM (GMT-0700) America/Denver Subject: Re: receiving SMS messages I can confirm this; it's been happening for the last week or so. Tim On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 9:36 PM, Dan Weatherill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I recently received my freerunner, and am enjoying it so far! > > I have mainly been using the qtopia image from qtopia.net, but have > been regularly updating my kernel from buildhost.openmoko.org. > > On doing some testing, I find the following: I can receive SMS messages > perfectly whilst the phone is on, in qtopia. Not always so well in the GTK > stack. > > If the phone is in standby, and I receive a text message, the phone > wakes up but does not receive a text message. The person sending the > message does, however, receive a delivery report. This occurs in both > images as well. > > If I then subsequently receive a message after the others, whilst the > phone is out of standby, I receive all the messages together. Hence, no > messages are "lost" in the ether, but it seems that messages received > whilst the phone is on standby are temporarily mislaid. > If there is any information I can provide to help you sort this please just > let me know. This is one of very few things preventing me using the neo > as a day to day phone with qtopia. > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: receiving SMS messages
I can confirm this; it's been happening for the last week or so. Tim On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 9:36 PM, Dan Weatherill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I recently received my freerunner, and am enjoying it so far! > > I have mainly been using the qtopia image from qtopia.net, but have > been regularly updating my kernel from buildhost.openmoko.org. > > On doing some testing, I find the following: I can receive SMS messages > perfectly whilst the phone is on, in qtopia. Not always so well in the GTK > stack. > > If the phone is in standby, and I receive a text message, the phone > wakes up but does not receive a text message. The person sending the > message does, however, receive a delivery report. This occurs in both > images as well. > > If I then subsequently receive a message after the others, whilst the > phone is out of standby, I receive all the messages together. Hence, no > messages are "lost" in the ether, but it seems that messages received > whilst the phone is on standby are temporarily mislaid. > If there is any information I can provide to help you sort this please just > let me know. This is one of very few things preventing me using the neo > as a day to day phone with qtopia. > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
