Re: freeware != free software??? Re: Navigation

2010-01-06 Thread Stefan Monnier
> a) the group "free software" is nothing but a combination of an adjective > and a substantive, the adjective qualifying the substantive That might be the case, but in the context of distributing a piece of software in the context of GNU/Linux, "free software" refers to the FSF's notion. Any ot

Re: freeware != free software??? Re: Navigation

2010-01-05 Thread Neil Jerram
2010/1/5 Viktor Lindberg : > I don't wish to be rude but you're not actually contradicting anything > i'm saying afaict Actually I think I am a bit. You said "Not just open for anyone to examine as is the case with Open Source", which sounds to me like you are saying that people cannot modify or

Re: freeware != free software??? Re: Navigation

2010-01-05 Thread Viktor Lindberg
On Tue, Jan 05, 2010 at 03:39:42PM +, Neil Jerram wrote: > 2010/1/5 Viktor Lindberg : > > > > The Open Source Movement have instead choosen to abandom the ethical > > principle of freedom and only promote the use of Open Source software > > that might not be libre (free as in freedom), which is

Re: freeware != free software??? Re: Navigation

2010-01-05 Thread Pieter Colpaert
Since this is a mailinglist about openmoko's «free»runner, I think it's normal to assume everyone on this mailinglist understands the idea behind the free philosophy. On Tue, 2010-01-05 at 16:09 +0100, Viktor Lindberg wrote: > On Tue, Jan 05, 2010 at 01:21:50PM +0100, arne anka wrote: > > > the te

Re: freeware != free software??? Re: Navigation

2010-01-05 Thread Neil Jerram
2010/1/5 Viktor Lindberg : > > The Open Source Movement have instead choosen to abandom the ethical > principle of freedom and only promote the use of Open Source software > that might not be libre (free as in freedom), which is not the same > idea as the Free Software movement has. [...] Not just

Re: freeware != free software??? Re: Navigation

2010-01-05 Thread Petr Vanek
>/end of arrogant rant about language usage. this is getting too long for me :) just download the relevant packages which this thread started about and read license in there, it might help your understanding :)) cheers Petr ___ Openmoko community ma

Re: freeware != free software??? Re: Navigation

2010-01-05 Thread Viktor Lindberg
On Tue, Jan 05, 2010 at 01:21:50PM +0100, arne anka wrote: > > the term "free software" was coined in or before 1989, when the GPLv1 was > > published by the free software foundation [1]. > > a) the group "free software" is nothing but a combination of an adjective > and a substantive, the adjec

Re: freeware != free software??? Re: Navigation

2010-01-05 Thread arne anka
> the term "free software" was coined in or before 1989, when the GPLv1 was > published by the free software foundation [1]. a) the group "free software" is nothing but a combination of an adjective and a substantive, the adjective qualifying the substantive b) qualifying a substantive with "fre

Re: freeware != free software??? Re: Navigation

2010-01-05 Thread Tom Yates
On Tue, 5 Jan 2010, arne anka wrote: [Sebastian Krzyszkowiak wrote:] I think you're now confusing free software with freeware. Free software app has to be open source (but not in opposite way - freeware and open source apps not always are free software) huh? since when and who made that decis

freeware != free software??? Re: Navigation

2010-01-05 Thread arne anka
> I think you're now confusing free software with freeware. Free > software app has to be open source (but not in opposite way - > freeware and open source apps not always are free software) huh? since when and who made that decision? for all i know, the line goes between open source and free. op