[computer-go] Pachi/fuego GnuGo hybrid

2010-01-17 Thread Petri . t . Pitkanen
Has anyone tried doing pachi/Fuego + GnuGo hybrid slightly in way Many FAces is done? If I understood correctly Manyfaces is mostly a plausible move generator. And serac is widened via the RAVE. So simplest hybrid could rather simple words that often used before huge effort taking for eve

Re: [computer-go] scalability analysis with pachi

2010-01-17 Thread Darren Cook
> Yes. And while worrying about what happens after a win rate of 97% > sounds like splitting hairs, I think we're talking about an awkward > way of measuring something that's of practical interest. Yes. How can a program be strong enough to win 97% and not win 100%. Over on the fuego list Martin M

Re: [computer-go] scalability analysis with pachi

2010-01-17 Thread dhillismail
Yes. And while worrying about what happens after a win rate of 97% sounds like splitting hairs, I think we're talking about an awkward way of measuring something that's of practical interest. Suppose Hideki's experiment were repeated, giving GNU GO a four stone handicap. If Zen plateau'd out a

Re: [computer-go] Request for reading material

2010-01-17 Thread Robert Jasiek
Alan Cameron wrote: > introduce me to the science of artificial intelligence such as would be employed in writing a computer go program? I am not sure if it is what you are asking for but maybe it is: Search for the following topics: - computational complexity - algorithm Once you are famil

Re: [computer-go] Request for reading material

2010-01-17 Thread Petr Baudis
Hi! On Sun, Jan 17, 2010 at 04:12:19PM -, Alan Cameron wrote: > I have been reading this mailing list for some time as the subject interests > me. I have a request - can anyone provide a reading list of books or web > pages which would introduce me to the science of artificial intelligence >

RE: [computer-go] benchmark tests for static evaluation functions

2010-01-17 Thread David Fotland
I think you can only evaluate static evaluation in the context of a search and a tournament between programs. You could start with a simple 1-ply search and play against gnugo. Strength in life and death or predicting pro moves doesn't correlate with the ability to win games. David -Origina

[computer-go] benchmark tests for static evaluation functions

2010-01-17 Thread Thomas Wolf
Last year I was working on a static evaluation function. Does anyone know references about published benchmark tests for static evaluation functions, for example, in predicting moves in professional games or best moves in life and death problems or predicting the status of semeai problems? The p

[computer-go] Request for reading material

2010-01-17 Thread Alan Cameron
Hi, I have been reading this mailing list for some time as the subject interests me. I have a request - can anyone provide a reading list of books or web pages which would introduce me to the science of artificial intelligence such as would be employed in writing a computer go program? Alan Camer

Re: [SPAM] Re: [SPAM] Re: [SPAM] [computer-go] Paper about Mogo's Opening Strategy

2010-01-17 Thread Olivier Teytaud
> > This is very interesting, do you have pointers to any papers or > presentations concerning MCTS applications like this in any detail? > If not yet, I'm sure many people on this list will be interested > to hear about any publications in this area too when you finish some > of the applications

Re: [SPAM] Re: [SPAM] [computer-go] Paper about Mogo's Opening Strategy

2010-01-17 Thread Petr Baudis
Hi! On Sun, Jan 17, 2010 at 04:02:38PM +0100, Olivier Teytaud wrote: > > I'm sure many people are curious - MoGo(TW?) doesn't participate much > > in computer tournaments nowadays, are you working on some new exciting > > things or is the project mostly asleep right now? :-) > > Competitions ar

Re: [SPAM] Re: [computer-go] Paper about Mogo's Opening Strategy

2010-01-17 Thread Olivier Teytaud
> Apparently an opening book cannot be used with a stronger or weaker Go > player as-is, but I wonder how useful it would be as a seed? If we follows the "fictitious play" algorithm, maybe we should accept a modification of the opening book only after comparison with *all* previous versions of the

Re: [SPAM] Re: [SPAM] [computer-go] Paper about Mogo's Opening Strategy

2010-01-17 Thread Olivier Teytaud
> I'm sure many people are curious - MoGo(TW?) doesn't participate much > in computer tournaments nowadays, are you working on some new exciting > things or is the project mostly asleep right now? :-) Competitions are very boring and time consuming. Other people from the mogo-team can participate

Re: [computer-go] scalability analysis with pachi

2010-01-17 Thread Erik van der Werf
Oh, ok. I was a bit surprised. Last time I checked my program scaled quite nicely against GnuGo, at least for low numbers of simulations up to about 97% winning rate. I suppose there could be some kind of plateau when nearing 100% due to some missing knowledge/skills that only GnuGo has. Erik 20