O Meien 9dan wrote a short column about FIT2008 event.
Title is Kanpai monte-carlo.
Kanpai means Cheers! and another meaning is complete defeat.
(Maybe he uses this from old Japanese hit song monte-carlo de kanpai.)
Content is
He has thought abstract Area is important for computer Go.
Crazy
On Thu, 2008-09-04 at 18:07 +0200, Rémi Coulom wrote:
When the playouts evaluate a critical semeai the wrong way, then no
supercomputer can help, even at long time control. Semeais require a
better algorithm, because no computing power can search them out with
a
tree, and playouts have to
You would have to ask these questions of Paul. He is an extremely
serious and careful person, so while I would find it hard to believe
that every person had exactly the same rating down to 0.01, it must
have been very close when the entire collection of AGA members was
considered. I do not
Wasn't it today that Crazystone had a match against a professional
player? During the FIT2008 conference at Keio University?
Does anyone know the result and if the game is available somewhere?
Jonas
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Wasn't it today that Crazystone had a match against a professional
player? During the FIT2008 conference at Keio University?
Does anyone know the result and if the game is available somewhere?
Jonas
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From: Rémi Coulom [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: computer-go computer-go@computer-go.org
Sent: Thursday, September 4, 2008 3:56:05 AM
Subject: Re: [computer-go] Kaori-Crazystone
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Wasn't it today that Crazystone had a match against a professional
player? During the FIT2008
terry mcintyre wrote:
Congratulations!
Thanks.
I'm dying for details! What was the time limit?
The organizers asked that the program should play at a constant time (30
second) per move. The sgf file contains time stamps (you can see the
time with gogui, for instance). I don't know
Congratulations, Remi!
I just returned from FIT2008.
This was first official professional vs. computer game in Japan.
I added some comments in sgf.
These game comments are stated by O Meien professional 9dan.
Aoba 4dan's comment after game.
My guess was soft was strong, but something is
It's difficult for me to understand this due to different ranking
systems and pro ratings vs amateur ratings. I see here listed as a 4
dan player on this page:
http://www.nihonkiin.or.jp/player/htm/ki000343.htm
Is that 4 dan pro? My understanding is something like this:
kyu player are
I meant to add that we cannot calculate an upper bound on it's strength
since there was only 1 game and it was a win.
What I'm trying to determine is if we can say with a high degree of
confidence yet that computers have achieved the 1 dan level? This has
been kind of a holy grail of computer
I'm excited to see a computer reach 1d as well. For me I'm waiting to see a
bot hold a 1d rating consistently on kgs. Right now CrazyStone has been
rated 1d briefly, but hasn't been able to maintain it. It's currently 1k.
I put a small table of the progress of a few bot's ratings on kgs at
Don Dailey wrote:
I'm thinking that if we estimate Aoba at 10d amateur and CrazyStone wins
with 8 stone handicap, it is roughly equivalent to beating a 2d player
without handicap and that we can subtract 2 stones to say that with
pretty high confidence CrazyStone is playing at least 1 kyu (but
Andy wrote:
I'm excited to see a computer reach 1d as well. For me I'm waiting to
see a bot hold a 1d rating consistently on kgs. Right now CrazyStone
has been rated 1d briefly, but hasn't been able to maintain it. It's
currently 1k.
I put a small table of the progress of a few bot's
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Don Dailey
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes
I meant to add that we cannot calculate an upper bound on it's strength
since there was only 1 game and it was a win.
What I'm trying to determine is if we can say with a high degree of
confidence yet that computers have achieved
On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 11:09 AM, Rémi Coulom [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:
Andy wrote:
I'm excited to see a computer reach 1d as well. For me I'm waiting to see
a bot hold a 1d rating consistently on kgs. Right now CrazyStone has been
rated 1d briefly, but hasn't been able to maintain it. It's
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Rémi Coulom
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes
Don Dailey wrote:
I'm thinking that if we estimate Aoba at 10d amateur and CrazyStone wins
with 8 stone handicap, it is roughly equivalent to beating a 2d player
without handicap and that we can subtract 2 stones to say that
Nick Wedd wrote:
When mandelbrot resigns, saying I was pwned, it appears to me that
he is ahead. If he plays at q11 instead of resigning, I think he can
kill Crazy Stone's s12 group - but it's difficult, and I'm not sure.
Bots are strong at psychological wins :-)
Rémi
1d (amateur) is a kind of holy grail for amateurs, because
it separates fairly serious players from people just messing
around, so seeing a program at that level on a 19x19 board at
reasonable (non-blitz) time controls is quite impressive.
1p is generally stronger than all but a small handful of
in fact, if you made a betting game out of it, and formed a pool
that would go to anyone willing to take the challenge, i think
that you'd find that the ratio of dollars against to dollars for
would be a fairly accurate depiction of the strength increase over
time. the ratio would likely lag
On Thu, 2008-09-04 at 17:09 +0100, Nick Wedd wrote:
As for 1 dan being a kind of holy grail:
The Ing prize, worth over US$1,000,000, was for beating inseis, that
is
trainee professionals, who would have a strength of around amateur 7
dan
or maybe slightly below. So beating a [pro] 1-dan
Rémi Coulom wrote:
I would like to see MogoTiTan play many rated games on KGS and see how
it does there. Anyone have a few million dollars lying around to
sponsor this? :)
Leela is becoming strong. It has reached 1k now.
The gold medal in Beijing will not go to France without a fight!
Don Dailey: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
It's difficult for me to understand this due to different ranking
systems and pro ratings vs amateur ratings. I see here listed as a 4
dan player on this page:
http://www.nihonkiin.or.jp/player/htm/ki000343.htm
Is that 4 dan pro? My understanding is
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Sent: Thursday, September 4, 2008 11:02:51 AM
Subject: Re: [computer-go] Kaori-Crazystone
This page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Go_ranks_and_ratings gives a table of
win
probabilities versus rank differences.
I haven't yet found such a table
Here is something interesting from this page:
Note how different the expectations of each system are regarding even
games between players of unequal strength. If you can win 90% of even
games against a 2 kyu player, the AGA believes you are 1.33 ranks
higher, the EGF believes you are 2.42 ranks
Verzonden: do 4-9-2008 20:55
Aan: computer-go
Onderwerp: Re: [computer-go] Kaori-Crazystone
Here is something interesting from this page:
Note how different the expectations of each system are regarding even
games between players of unequal strength. If you can win 90% of even
games against a 2 kyu
2008/9/4 Rémi Coulom [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
only 5k, so I cannot really tell. But when I see the horrors it plays in
some games, I suppose it must play much stronger than 1k in some other games
in order to get a rating of 1k.
Look for instance at these two games:
a win:
26 matches
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