Re: [Computer-go] May KGS bot tournament

[Ingo Althöfer]

Hi Hiroshi,

thank you for your explanations. That gives me an
impression - and I am impressed!

Ingo.


> Gesendet: Dienstag, 09. Mai 2017 um 14:24 Uhr
> Von: "Hiroshi Yamashita" <y...@bd.mbn.or.jp>
> An: computer-go@computer-go.org
> Betreff: Re: [Computer-go] May KGS bot tournament
>
> Hi Ingo,
> 
> Maybe we can guess from CGOS BayesElo.
> http://www.yss-aya.com/cgos/19x19/bayes.html
> 
> Zen-14.6-1c1g4169
> Aya792p2v2cn50_12t   3472
> 
> AyaMC is similar to Aya792p2v2cn50_12t, around 3500.
> Zen19X uses 6 threads with one GPU.
> So maybe around 4169 + 250 = 4300.
> 
> Zen19X is +800 Elo stronger, and its winrate is about 99%.
> 
> Thanks,
> Hiroshi Yamashita
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: ""Ingo Althöfer"" <3-hirn-ver...@gmx.de>
> To: <computer-go@computer-go.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2017 7:07 PM
> Subject: Re: [Computer-go] May KGS bot tournament
> 
> 
> > Hi Hideki,
> > thanks for the explannation.
> >
> > So, Aya was already too far ahead.
> > Zen had two more games against Aya in the rounds 5-12 -
> > and won both of them. What do you think about
> > the playing strengths of Zen and Aya in comparison?
> >
> > Cheers, Ingo.
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Re: [Computer-go] May KGS bot tournament

[Hiroshi Yamashita]

Hi Ingo,

Maybe we can guess from CGOS BayesElo.
http://www.yss-aya.com/cgos/19x19/bayes.html

Zen-14.6-1c1g4169
Aya792p2v2cn50_12t   3472

AyaMC is similar to Aya792p2v2cn50_12t, around 3500.
Zen19X uses 6 threads with one GPU.
So maybe around 4169 + 250 = 4300.

Zen19X is +800 Elo stronger, and its winrate is about 99%.

Thanks,
Hiroshi Yamashita

- Original Message - 
From: ""Ingo Althöfer"" <3-hirn-ver...@gmx.de>

To: <computer-go@computer-go.org>
Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2017 7:07 PM
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Hi Hideki,
thanks for the explannation.

So, Aya was already too far ahead.
Zen had two more games against Aya in the rounds 5-12 -
and won both of them. What do you think about
the playing strengths of Zen and Aya in comparison?

Cheers, Ingo.


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Re: [Computer-go] May KGS bot tournament

[Ingo Althöfer]

Hi Hideki,
thanks for the explannation.

So, Aya was already too far ahead.
Zen had two more games against Aya in the rounds 5-12 -
and won both of them. What do you think about
the playing strengths of Zen and Aya in comparison?

Cheers, Ingo.

> Gesendet: Dienstag, 09. Mai 2017 um 10:31 Uhr
> Von: "Hideki Kato" <hideki_ka...@ybb.ne.jp>
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>
> I was sleeping at the beginning and woked up 3:10 AM, after the 
> 4th round. 
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Re: [Computer-go] May KGS bot tournament

[Hideki Kato]

I was sleeping at the beginning and woked up 3:10 AM, after the 
4th round. 
#The tournament started at 1 AM JST.

Hideki

Ingo Althofer: 
:
>Ui, what happened to Zen in the first four rounds?
>
>https://www.gokgs.com/tournEntrants.jsp?sort=s=1113
>
>Ingo.
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Re: [Computer-go] May KGS bot tournament

[Ingo Althöfer]

Ui, what happened to Zen in the first four rounds?

https://www.gokgs.com/tournEntrants.jsp?sort=s=1113

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Re: [Computer-go] May KGS bot tournament

[Nick Wedd]

Reminder - it's tomorrow.

On 27 April 2017 at 21:06, Nick Wedd  wrote:

> The May KGS bot tournament will be on Sunday, May 7th, starting at 16:00 UTC
> and end by 22:00 UTC.  It will use 19x19 boards, with time limits of 14
> minutes each and  very fast Canadian overtime, and komi of 7½.  It will
> be a Swiss tournament.  See https://www.gokgs.com/
> tournEntrants.jsp?id=1113
>
> Please register by emailing me at mapr...@gmail.com, with the words "KGS
> Tournament Registration" in the email title.
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Re: [Computer-go] May KGS bot tournament

[Nick Wedd]

Cancel that - it's the day after tomorrow, Sunday, as usual.

Nick

On 6 May 2016 at 16:49, Nick Wedd  wrote:

> Reminder - it's tomorrow.
>
> Nick
>
>
> -- Forwarded message --
> From: Nick Wedd 
> Date: 2 May 2016 at 17:51
> Subject: May KGS bot tournament
> To: computer-go@computer-go.org
>
>
> The May KGS bot tournament will start on Sunday, May 8th at 16:00 UTC,
> and finish by 22:00 UTC.  It will use 19x19 boards, with time limits of
> 14 minutes each plus very fast Canadian overtime, and komi of 7.5. See
> http://www.gokgs.com/tournEntrants.jsp?id=1030
>
> Please register by emailing me, with the words "KGS Tournament Registration"
> in the email title, at mapr...@gmail.com .
>
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Re: [Computer-go] May KGS bot tournament

[Urban Hafner]

Ah yes, that's what I remember as well. I'd be happy with two divisions as 
well, but I wonder if there's a need for it. 

Von meinem iPhone gesendet

> Am 05.05.2016 um 00:20 schrieb David Doshay :
> 
> A long time ago there existed the ‘formal’ and the ‘open’ divisions. Because 
> SlugGo used so much GNUGo code in a way such that SlugGo could offer several 
> stones and still beat GNUGo, it was decided that whenever both bots were 
> available for the tournament one would be in one division and the other would 
> be in the other division. This was also the way that newer bots could start 
> playing in tournaments without getting every detail of the game-end protocol 
> correct.
> 
> Or at least that is what I remember.
> 
> Cheers,
> David G Doshay
> 
> ddos...@mac.com
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On 4, May 2016, at 10:09 AM, Nick Wedd  wrote:
>> 
>> I would happily run more than one division (which the KGS scheduler will 
>> regard as separate events). Is there enough interest to justify a second 
>> division?
>> 
>> Nick
>> 
>>> On 4 May 2016 at 15:46, Urban Hafner  wrote:
>>> There used to be many more entrants in the past IIRC. And we never split 
>>> into several tournaments or leagues. But I also feel we should wait for 
>>> Nick to chime in. I think we had this exact same discussion a while ago but 
>>> I can’t remember the outcome. ;)
>>> 
>>> Urban
>>> 
 On Wed, May 4, 2016 at 4:38 PM, Gonçalo Mendes Ferreira  
 wrote:
 Has the number of programs risen that much?
 
 I'd prefer not adding self-declared ranking limitations, though as a
 spectator handicap matches are interesting.
 
 Anyways, Urban, I can enter my program too if you want, it is well
 bellow GNU Go in 19x19.
 
 Gonçalo
 
 On 04/05/2016 15:27, Erik van der Werf wrote:
 > Or switch to McMahon / Handicaps
 >
 > On Wed, May 4, 2016 at 4:18 PM, Sebastian Scheib 
 > 
 > wrote:
 >
 >> That would be good, something like in other sports where you have a 
 >> first,
 >> second and so... categories.
 >>
 >> 2016-05-04 11:00 GMT-03:00 Jim O'Flaherty :
 >>
 >>> Hmmm...if bots weaker than GnuGo are actively discouraged, perhaps 
 >>> there
 >>> could be a separate tournament level for that grouping of "aspiring
 >>> computer Go" entrants (if it isn't too much extra work). Having bots 
 >>> earn
 >>> the right to move into the higher level of (i.e. have met the entry
 >>> requirement of "consistently beats GnuGo version X.Y) might be a nice
 >>> filter as the number of those desiring to participate (with weaker 
 >>> bots)
 >>> rises.
 >>>
 >>> On Wed, May 4, 2016 at 4:01 AM, Urban Hafner 
 >>> wrote:
 >>>
  I’m considering entering with my bot but it’s rather weak (a lot 
  weaker
  than GnuGo on 19x19) so I don’t know if it makes sense. Unless of 
  course
  other weaker bots were willing to enter as well. If no one is 
  interested in
  this (or if it’s even discouraged by Nick) then I would refrain from
  entering tournaments that I have no chance in beating GnuGo.
 
  Urban
 
  On Mon, May 2, 2016 at 6:51 PM, Nick Wedd  wrote:
 
 > The May KGS bot tournament will start on Sunday, May 8th at 16:00 
 > UTC,
 > and finish by 22:00 UTC.  It will use 19x19 boards, with time limits
 > of 14 minutes each plus very fast Canadian overtime, and komi of 7.5.
 > See http://www.gokgs.com/tournEntrants.jsp?id=1030
 >
 > Please register by emailing me, with the words "KGS Tournament 
 > Registration"
 > in the email title, at mapr...@gmail.com .
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Re: [Computer-go] May KGS bot tournament

[David Doshay]

A long time ago there existed the ‘formal’ and the ‘open’ divisions. Because 
SlugGo used so much GNUGo code in a way such that SlugGo could offer several 
stones and still beat GNUGo, it was decided that whenever both bots were 
available for the tournament one would be in one division and the other would 
be in the other division. This was also the way that newer bots could start 
playing in tournaments without getting every detail of the game-end protocol 
correct.

Or at least that is what I remember.

Cheers,
David G Doshay

ddos...@mac.com





> On 4, May 2016, at 10:09 AM, Nick Wedd  wrote:
> 
> I would happily run more than one division (which the KGS scheduler will 
> regard as separate events). Is there enough interest to justify a second 
> division?
> 
> Nick
> 
> On 4 May 2016 at 15:46, Urban Hafner  > wrote:
> There used to be many more entrants in the past IIRC. And we never split into 
> several tournaments or leagues. But I also feel we should wait for Nick to 
> chime in. I think we had this exact same discussion a while ago but I can’t 
> remember the outcome. ;)
> 
> Urban
> 
> On Wed, May 4, 2016 at 4:38 PM, Gonçalo Mendes Ferreira  > wrote:
> Has the number of programs risen that much?
> 
> I'd prefer not adding self-declared ranking limitations, though as a
> spectator handicap matches are interesting.
> 
> Anyways, Urban, I can enter my program too if you want, it is well
> bellow GNU Go in 19x19.
> 
> Gonçalo
> 
> On 04/05/2016 15:27, Erik van der Werf wrote:
> > Or switch to McMahon / Handicaps
> >
> > On Wed, May 4, 2016 at 4:18 PM, Sebastian Scheib  > >
> > wrote:
> >
> >> That would be good, something like in other sports where you have a first,
> >> second and so... categories.
> >>
> >> 2016-05-04 11:00 GMT-03:00 Jim O'Flaherty  >> >:
> >>
> >>> Hmmm...if bots weaker than GnuGo are actively discouraged, perhaps there
> >>> could be a separate tournament level for that grouping of "aspiring
> >>> computer Go" entrants (if it isn't too much extra work). Having bots earn
> >>> the right to move into the higher level of (i.e. have met the entry
> >>> requirement of "consistently beats GnuGo version X.Y) might be a nice
> >>> filter as the number of those desiring to participate (with weaker bots)
> >>> rises.
> >>>
> >>> On Wed, May 4, 2016 at 4:01 AM, Urban Hafner  >>> >
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
>  I’m considering entering with my bot but it’s rather weak (a lot weaker
>  than GnuGo on 19x19) so I don’t know if it makes sense. Unless of course
>  other weaker bots were willing to enter as well. If no one is interested 
>  in
>  this (or if it’s even discouraged by Nick) then I would refrain from
>  entering tournaments that I have no chance in beating GnuGo.
> 
>  Urban
> 
>  On Mon, May 2, 2016 at 6:51 PM, Nick Wedd   > wrote:
> 
> > The May KGS bot tournament will start on Sunday, May 8th at 16:00 UTC,
> > and finish by 22:00 UTC.  It will use 19x19 boards, with time limits
> > of 14 minutes each plus very fast Canadian overtime, and komi of 7.5.
> > See http://www.gokgs.com/tournEntrants.jsp?id=1030 
> > 
> >
> > Please register by emailing me, with the words "KGS Tournament 
> > Registration"
> > in the email title, at mapr...@gmail.com  .
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Re: [Computer-go] May KGS bot tournament

[Urban Hafner]

That sounds reasonable to me. The downside for you Nick is of course that it's 
possible that there's bugs in the program and that it will just crash. ;) But 
at least against GnuGo that hasn't happened in a long time. 

And I guess once people complain that this setup is unfair towards their 
programs then it's maybe time for a second division. 

Urban

Von meinem iPhone gesendet

> Am 04.05.2016 um 19:06 schrieb Nick Wedd :
> 
> Here's a suggestion.  I would like to hear what Urban, and others, think 
> about it.
> 
> I enter GnuGo in these events to keep the numbers even. The operators of 
> strong bots don't want to waste processor cycles proving that they can beat 
> GnuGo, but they prefer it to a bye.
> 
> Instead of my using GnuGo to make the numbers even, I could use Urban's 
> program. The downside for Urban is that he would have to get it connected and 
> running, with only a 50% chance that it will actually get any games.  The 
> upside for him is that it will sometimes get experience against much stronger 
> players.  I assume that the operators of the strong programs don't care 
> whether they get to play against GnuGo or Urban's program.
> 
> By the way - I haven't yet received any entries for this Sunday's tournament. 
>  I hope my message reached the list.
> 
> Nick
> 
>> On 4 May 2016 at 10:01, Urban Hafner  wrote:
>> I’m considering entering with my bot but it’s rather weak (a lot weaker than 
>> GnuGo on 19x19) so I don’t know if it makes sense. Unless of course other 
>> weaker bots were willing to enter as well. If no one is interested in this 
>> (or if it’s even discouraged by Nick) then I would refrain from entering 
>> tournaments that I have no chance in beating GnuGo.
>> 
>> Urban
>> 
>>> On Mon, May 2, 2016 at 6:51 PM, Nick Wedd  wrote:
>>> The May KGS bot tournament will start on Sunday, May 8th at 16:00 UTC, and 
>>> finish by 22:00 UTC.  It will use 19x19 boards, with time limits of 14 
>>> minutes each plus very fast Canadian overtime, and komi of 7.5. See 
>>> http://www.gokgs.com/tournEntrants.jsp?id=1030
>>> 
>>> Please register by emailing me, with the words "KGS Tournament 
>>> Registration" in the email title, at mapr...@gmail.com .
>>> 
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Re: [Computer-go] May KGS bot tournament

[Arthur Cater]

> Somehow my neural net has a blur at "j" and "y”.

That must get yollj awkward at times!
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Re: [Computer-go] May KGS bot tournament

[Ingo Althöfer]

Hi Aja,

sorry for this. Of course I meant the bot "Aya".

It seems, I will never learn it consistently.
Somehow my neural net has a blur at "j" and "y".
 
> Thanks Ingo for listing me with two strong Go programs. 
> I think I can give GnuGo 9 stones on 19x19 board. :)
 
Hmm, not 10 ?

But seriously: How many stones can give current AlphaGo to GnuGo?

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Re: [Computer-go] May KGS bot tournament

[Nick Wedd]

I would happily run more than one division (which the KGS scheduler will
regard as separate events). Is there enough interest to justify a second
division?

Nick

On 4 May 2016 at 15:46, Urban Hafner  wrote:

> There used to be many more entrants in the past IIRC. And we never split
> into several tournaments or leagues. But I also feel we should wait for
> Nick to chime in. I think we had this exact same discussion a while ago but
> I can’t remember the outcome. ;)
>
> Urban
>
> On Wed, May 4, 2016 at 4:38 PM, Gonçalo Mendes Ferreira 
> wrote:
>
>> Has the number of programs risen that much?
>>
>> I'd prefer not adding self-declared ranking limitations, though as a
>> spectator handicap matches are interesting.
>>
>> Anyways, Urban, I can enter my program too if you want, it is well
>> bellow GNU Go in 19x19.
>>
>> Gonçalo
>>
>> On 04/05/2016 15:27, Erik van der Werf wrote:
>> > Or switch to McMahon / Handicaps
>> >
>> > On Wed, May 4, 2016 at 4:18 PM, Sebastian Scheib <
>> stackpointe...@gmail.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >> That would be good, something like in other sports where you have a
>> first,
>> >> second and so... categories.
>> >>
>> >> 2016-05-04 11:00 GMT-03:00 Jim O'Flaherty > >:
>> >>
>> >>> Hmmm...if bots weaker than GnuGo are actively discouraged, perhaps
>> there
>> >>> could be a separate tournament level for that grouping of "aspiring
>> >>> computer Go" entrants (if it isn't too much extra work). Having bots
>> earn
>> >>> the right to move into the higher level of (i.e. have met the entry
>> >>> requirement of "consistently beats GnuGo version X.Y) might be a nice
>> >>> filter as the number of those desiring to participate (with weaker
>> bots)
>> >>> rises.
>> >>>
>> >>> On Wed, May 4, 2016 at 4:01 AM, Urban Hafner > >
>> >>> wrote:
>> >>>
>>  I’m considering entering with my bot but it’s rather weak (a lot
>> weaker
>>  than GnuGo on 19x19) so I don’t know if it makes sense. Unless of
>> course
>>  other weaker bots were willing to enter as well. If no one is
>> interested in
>>  this (or if it’s even discouraged by Nick) then I would refrain from
>>  entering tournaments that I have no chance in beating GnuGo.
>> 
>>  Urban
>> 
>>  On Mon, May 2, 2016 at 6:51 PM, Nick Wedd  wrote:
>> 
>> > The May KGS bot tournament will start on Sunday, May 8th at 16:00
>> UTC,
>> > and finish by 22:00 UTC.  It will use 19x19 boards, with time limits
>> > of 14 minutes each plus very fast Canadian overtime, and komi of
>> 7.5.
>> > See http://www.gokgs.com/tournEntrants.jsp?id=1030
>> >
>> > Please register by emailing me, with the words "KGS Tournament
>> Registration"
>> > in the email title, at mapr...@gmail.com .
>> >
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Re: [Computer-go] May KGS bot tournament

[Nick Wedd]

Here's a suggestion.  I would like to hear what Urban, and others, think
about it.

I enter GnuGo in these events to keep the numbers even. The operators of
strong bots don't want to waste processor cycles proving that they can beat
GnuGo, but they prefer it to a bye.

Instead of my using GnuGo to make the numbers even, I could use Urban's
program. The downside for Urban is that he would have to get it connected
and running, with only a 50% chance that it will actually get any games.
The upside for him is that it will sometimes get experience against much
stronger players.  I assume that the operators of the strong programs don't
care whether they get to play against GnuGo or Urban's program.

By the way - I haven't yet received any entries for this Sunday's
tournament.  I hope my message reached the list.

Nick

On 4 May 2016 at 10:01, Urban Hafner  wrote:

> I’m considering entering with my bot but it’s rather weak (a lot weaker
> than GnuGo on 19x19) so I don’t know if it makes sense. Unless of course
> other weaker bots were willing to enter as well. If no one is interested in
> this (or if it’s even discouraged by Nick) then I would refrain from
> entering tournaments that I have no chance in beating GnuGo.
>
> Urban
>
> On Mon, May 2, 2016 at 6:51 PM, Nick Wedd  wrote:
>
>> The May KGS bot tournament will start on Sunday, May 8th at 16:00 UTC,
>> and finish by 22:00 UTC.  It will use 19x19 boards, with time limits of
>> 14 minutes each plus very fast Canadian overtime, and komi of 7.5. See
>> http://www.gokgs.com/tournEntrants.jsp?id=1030
>>
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Re: [Computer-go] May KGS bot tournament

[Urban Hafner]

There used to be many more entrants in the past IIRC. And we never split
into several tournaments or leagues. But I also feel we should wait for
Nick to chime in. I think we had this exact same discussion a while ago but
I can’t remember the outcome. ;)

Urban

On Wed, May 4, 2016 at 4:38 PM, Gonçalo Mendes Ferreira 
wrote:

> Has the number of programs risen that much?
>
> I'd prefer not adding self-declared ranking limitations, though as a
> spectator handicap matches are interesting.
>
> Anyways, Urban, I can enter my program too if you want, it is well
> bellow GNU Go in 19x19.
>
> Gonçalo
>
> On 04/05/2016 15:27, Erik van der Werf wrote:
> > Or switch to McMahon / Handicaps
> >
> > On Wed, May 4, 2016 at 4:18 PM, Sebastian Scheib <
> stackpointe...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> That would be good, something like in other sports where you have a
> first,
> >> second and so... categories.
> >>
> >> 2016-05-04 11:00 GMT-03:00 Jim O'Flaherty :
> >>
> >>> Hmmm...if bots weaker than GnuGo are actively discouraged, perhaps
> there
> >>> could be a separate tournament level for that grouping of "aspiring
> >>> computer Go" entrants (if it isn't too much extra work). Having bots
> earn
> >>> the right to move into the higher level of (i.e. have met the entry
> >>> requirement of "consistently beats GnuGo version X.Y) might be a nice
> >>> filter as the number of those desiring to participate (with weaker
> bots)
> >>> rises.
> >>>
> >>> On Wed, May 4, 2016 at 4:01 AM, Urban Hafner 
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
>  I’m considering entering with my bot but it’s rather weak (a lot
> weaker
>  than GnuGo on 19x19) so I don’t know if it makes sense. Unless of
> course
>  other weaker bots were willing to enter as well. If no one is
> interested in
>  this (or if it’s even discouraged by Nick) then I would refrain from
>  entering tournaments that I have no chance in beating GnuGo.
> 
>  Urban
> 
>  On Mon, May 2, 2016 at 6:51 PM, Nick Wedd  wrote:
> 
> > The May KGS bot tournament will start on Sunday, May 8th at 16:00
> UTC,
> > and finish by 22:00 UTC.  It will use 19x19 boards, with time limits
> > of 14 minutes each plus very fast Canadian overtime, and komi of 7.5.
> > See http://www.gokgs.com/tournEntrants.jsp?id=1030
> >
> > Please register by emailing me, with the words "KGS Tournament
> Registration"
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Re: [Computer-go] May KGS bot tournament

[Gonçalo Mendes Ferreira]

Has the number of programs risen that much?

I'd prefer not adding self-declared ranking limitations, though as a
spectator handicap matches are interesting.

Anyways, Urban, I can enter my program too if you want, it is well
bellow GNU Go in 19x19.

Gonçalo

On 04/05/2016 15:27, Erik van der Werf wrote:
> Or switch to McMahon / Handicaps
> 
> On Wed, May 4, 2016 at 4:18 PM, Sebastian Scheib 
> wrote:
> 
>> That would be good, something like in other sports where you have a first,
>> second and so... categories.
>>
>> 2016-05-04 11:00 GMT-03:00 Jim O'Flaherty :
>>
>>> Hmmm...if bots weaker than GnuGo are actively discouraged, perhaps there
>>> could be a separate tournament level for that grouping of "aspiring
>>> computer Go" entrants (if it isn't too much extra work). Having bots earn
>>> the right to move into the higher level of (i.e. have met the entry
>>> requirement of "consistently beats GnuGo version X.Y) might be a nice
>>> filter as the number of those desiring to participate (with weaker bots)
>>> rises.
>>>
>>> On Wed, May 4, 2016 at 4:01 AM, Urban Hafner 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I’m considering entering with my bot but it’s rather weak (a lot weaker
 than GnuGo on 19x19) so I don’t know if it makes sense. Unless of course
 other weaker bots were willing to enter as well. If no one is interested in
 this (or if it’s even discouraged by Nick) then I would refrain from
 entering tournaments that I have no chance in beating GnuGo.

 Urban

 On Mon, May 2, 2016 at 6:51 PM, Nick Wedd  wrote:

> The May KGS bot tournament will start on Sunday, May 8th at 16:00 UTC,
> and finish by 22:00 UTC.  It will use 19x19 boards, with time limits
> of 14 minutes each plus very fast Canadian overtime, and komi of 7.5.
> See http://www.gokgs.com/tournEntrants.jsp?id=1030
>
> Please register by emailing me, with the words "KGS Tournament 
> Registration"
> in the email title, at mapr...@gmail.com .
>
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Re: [Computer-go] May KGS bot tournament

[Erik van der Werf]

Or switch to McMahon / Handicaps

On Wed, May 4, 2016 at 4:18 PM, Sebastian Scheib 
wrote:

> That would be good, something like in other sports where you have a first,
> second and so... categories.
>
> 2016-05-04 11:00 GMT-03:00 Jim O'Flaherty :
>
>> Hmmm...if bots weaker than GnuGo are actively discouraged, perhaps there
>> could be a separate tournament level for that grouping of "aspiring
>> computer Go" entrants (if it isn't too much extra work). Having bots earn
>> the right to move into the higher level of (i.e. have met the entry
>> requirement of "consistently beats GnuGo version X.Y) might be a nice
>> filter as the number of those desiring to participate (with weaker bots)
>> rises.
>>
>> On Wed, May 4, 2016 at 4:01 AM, Urban Hafner 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I’m considering entering with my bot but it’s rather weak (a lot weaker
>>> than GnuGo on 19x19) so I don’t know if it makes sense. Unless of course
>>> other weaker bots were willing to enter as well. If no one is interested in
>>> this (or if it’s even discouraged by Nick) then I would refrain from
>>> entering tournaments that I have no chance in beating GnuGo.
>>>
>>> Urban
>>>
>>> On Mon, May 2, 2016 at 6:51 PM, Nick Wedd  wrote:
>>>
 The May KGS bot tournament will start on Sunday, May 8th at 16:00 UTC,
 and finish by 22:00 UTC.  It will use 19x19 boards, with time limits
 of 14 minutes each plus very fast Canadian overtime, and komi of 7.5.
 See http://www.gokgs.com/tournEntrants.jsp?id=1030

 Please register by emailing me, with the words "KGS Tournament 
 Registration"
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Re: [Computer-go] May KGS bot tournament

[Sebastian Scheib]

That would be good, something like in other sports where you have a first,
second and so... categories.

2016-05-04 11:00 GMT-03:00 Jim O'Flaherty :

> Hmmm...if bots weaker than GnuGo are actively discouraged, perhaps there
> could be a separate tournament level for that grouping of "aspiring
> computer Go" entrants (if it isn't too much extra work). Having bots earn
> the right to move into the higher level of (i.e. have met the entry
> requirement of "consistently beats GnuGo version X.Y) might be a nice
> filter as the number of those desiring to participate (with weaker bots)
> rises.
>
> On Wed, May 4, 2016 at 4:01 AM, Urban Hafner 
> wrote:
>
>> I’m considering entering with my bot but it’s rather weak (a lot weaker
>> than GnuGo on 19x19) so I don’t know if it makes sense. Unless of course
>> other weaker bots were willing to enter as well. If no one is interested in
>> this (or if it’s even discouraged by Nick) then I would refrain from
>> entering tournaments that I have no chance in beating GnuGo.
>>
>> Urban
>>
>> On Mon, May 2, 2016 at 6:51 PM, Nick Wedd  wrote:
>>
>>> The May KGS bot tournament will start on Sunday, May 8th at 16:00 UTC,
>>> and finish by 22:00 UTC.  It will use 19x19 boards, with time limits of
>>> 14 minutes each plus very fast Canadian overtime, and komi of 7.5. See
>>> http://www.gokgs.com/tournEntrants.jsp?id=1030
>>>
>>> Please register by emailing me, with the words "KGS Tournament Registration"
>>> in the email title, at mapr...@gmail.com .
>>>
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Re: [Computer-go] May KGS bot tournament

[Jim O'Flaherty]

Hmmm...if bots weaker than GnuGo are actively discouraged, perhaps there
could be a separate tournament level for that grouping of "aspiring
computer Go" entrants (if it isn't too much extra work). Having bots earn
the right to move into the higher level of (i.e. have met the entry
requirement of "consistently beats GnuGo version X.Y) might be a nice
filter as the number of those desiring to participate (with weaker bots)
rises.

On Wed, May 4, 2016 at 4:01 AM, Urban Hafner 
wrote:

> I’m considering entering with my bot but it’s rather weak (a lot weaker
> than GnuGo on 19x19) so I don’t know if it makes sense. Unless of course
> other weaker bots were willing to enter as well. If no one is interested in
> this (or if it’s even discouraged by Nick) then I would refrain from
> entering tournaments that I have no chance in beating GnuGo.
>
> Urban
>
> On Mon, May 2, 2016 at 6:51 PM, Nick Wedd  wrote:
>
>> The May KGS bot tournament will start on Sunday, May 8th at 16:00 UTC,
>> and finish by 22:00 UTC.  It will use 19x19 boards, with time limits of
>> 14 minutes each plus very fast Canadian overtime, and komi of 7.5. See
>> http://www.gokgs.com/tournEntrants.jsp?id=1030
>>
>> Please register by emailing me, with the words "KGS Tournament Registration"
>> in the email title, at mapr...@gmail.com .
>>
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Re: [Computer-go] May KGS bot tournament

[Urban Hafner]

I’m considering entering with my bot but it’s rather weak (a lot weaker
than GnuGo on 19x19) so I don’t know if it makes sense. Unless of course
other weaker bots were willing to enter as well. If no one is interested in
this (or if it’s even discouraged by Nick) then I would refrain from
entering tournaments that I have no chance in beating GnuGo.

Urban

On Mon, May 2, 2016 at 6:51 PM, Nick Wedd  wrote:

> The May KGS bot tournament will start on Sunday, May 8th at 16:00 UTC,
> and finish by 22:00 UTC.  It will use 19x19 boards, with time limits of
> 14 minutes each plus very fast Canadian overtime, and komi of 7.5. See
> http://www.gokgs.com/tournEntrants.jsp?id=1030
>
> Please register by emailing me, with the words "KGS Tournament Registration"
> in the email title, at mapr...@gmail.com .
>
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Re: [Computer-go] May KGS bot tournament, 19x19

[Nick Wedd]

Thank you, Peter, for pointing out the error.

Gmail automatically detects URLs in emails, and makes them into
links. However, it seems it sometimes does it slightly wrong.  Here
is the corrected message:

The May KGS bot tournament will be on Sunday May 3rd, starting at
16:00 UTC and ending by 23:00 UTC.  It will use 19x19 boards, with time
limits of 14 minutes each plus fast Canadian overtime, and komi of 7.5.
There are details at http://www.gokgs.com/tournInfo.jsp?id=956
http://www.gokgs.com/tournInfo.jsp?id=942

Please register by emailing me, with the words KGS Tournament
Registration in the email title, at mapr...@gmail.com .

On 24 April 2015 at 17:55, Nick Wedd mapr...@gmail.com wrote:

 The May KGS bot tournament will be on Sunday May 3rd, starting at
 16:00 UTC and ending by 23:00 UTC.  It will use 19x19 boards, with time
 limits of 14 minutes each plus fast Canadian overtime, and komi of 7.5.
 There are details at http://www.gokgs.com/tournInfo.jsp?id=95
 http://www.gokgs.com/tournInfo.jsp?id=9426

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Re: [Computer-go] May KGS bot tournament, 19x19

[Nick Wedd]

This is weird.  My corrected message now highlights all three digits of
956,
but still links to tournament 942.  The correct link is, I hope,

a href=http://www.gokgs.com/tournInfo.jsp?id=956;
http://www.gokgs.com/tournInfo.jsp?id=956/a


On 27 April 2015 at 09:48, Nick Wedd mapr...@gmail.com wrote:

 Thank you, Peter, for pointing out the error.

 Gmail automatically detects URLs in emails, and makes them into
 links. However, it seems it sometimes does it slightly wrong.  Here
 is the corrected message:

 The May KGS bot tournament will be on Sunday May 3rd, starting at
 16:00 UTC and ending by 23:00 UTC.  It will use 19x19 boards, with time
 limits of 14 minutes each plus fast Canadian overtime, and komi of 7.5.
 There are details at http://www.gokgs.com/tournInfo.jsp?id=956
 http://www.gokgs.com/tournInfo.jsp?id=942

 Please register by emailing me, with the words KGS Tournament
 Registration in the email title, at mapr...@gmail.com .

 On 24 April 2015 at 17:55, Nick Wedd mapr...@gmail.com wrote:

 The May KGS bot tournament will be on Sunday May 3rd, starting at
 16:00 UTC and ending by 23:00 UTC.  It will use 19x19 boards, with time
 limits of 14 minutes each plus fast Canadian overtime, and komi of 7.5.
 There are details at http://www.gokgs.com/tournInfo.jsp?id=95
 http://www.gokgs.com/tournInfo.jsp?id=9426

 Please register by emailing me, with the words KGS Tournament
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Re: [Computer-go] May KGS bot tournament, 19x19

[Peter Drake]

Correction:

The text (ending in 956) is correct, but for some reason the hyperlink in
the text ends at 95.

On Sat, Apr 25, 2015 at 9:23 AM, Peter Drake dr...@lclark.edu wrote:

 Nick:

 I think that's the wrong link -- it's for the January tournament.

 On Fri, Apr 24, 2015 at 9:55 AM, Nick Wedd mapr...@gmail.com wrote:

 The May KGS bot tournament will be on Sunday May 3rd, starting at
 16:00 UTC and ending by 23:00 UTC.  It will use 19x19 boards, with time
 limits of 14 minutes each plus fast Canadian overtime, and komi of 7.5.
 There are details at http://www.gokgs.com/tournInfo.jsp?id=95
 http://www.gokgs.com/tournInfo.jsp?id=9426

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Re: [computer-go] May KGS bot tournament: small boards, blitz

[Nick Wedd]

Reminder - it's tomorrow.

The May 2009 KGS computer Go tournament will be next Sunday, May 31st, 
in the Asian night, European afternoon and American morning, starting 
at 16:00 UTC/GMT (17:00 BST) and ending at 18:00 UTC/GMT (20:00 BST).


There will be only one division.  It will be a 12-round Swiss with 9x9 
boards and 4 minutes each of main time.  It will use Chinese rules with 
7.5 points komi, and a very fast Canadian Overtime, of 25 moves in 20 
seconds. There are details at http://www.gokgs.com/tournInfo.jsp?id=463.


Registration is now open.  To enter, please read and follow the 
instructions at http://www.weddslist.com/kgs/how/index.html. The rules 
are given at http://www.weddslist.com/kgs/rules.html.


Please send your registration email (with the words KGS Tournament 
Registration in the title) to me at maproom at gmail dot com 
(converted to a valid address in the obvious way).


I apologise for the short notice.  I hope to give more notice for 
subsequent events.


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Re: [computer-go] May KGS bot tournament: full-sized boards, fast

[Nick Wedd]

Reminder - it starts in a few hours (13:00 GMT), five hours after the 
time of posting this).


Nick


In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Nick Wedd 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes
Registration is now open for this Sunday's bot tournament.  It will use 
19x19 boards for both divisions, which will be 6-round Swiss.  It will 
start at 15:00 GMT, and take place in the Asian night, European 
evening, and American morning.  Time limits will be 18 minutes each, 
sudden death, for both divisions. It will end about 19:00 GMT.


Registration is as described at
http://www.weddslist.com/kgs/how/index.html

As last month, when you register you should tell me the processor power 
(number of processors, processor speed, and any other significant 
details) of the platform that it will be running on.  This is so that 
the processor power can be stated on my report of the event, making 
comparisons between programs more meaningful for anyone reading the 
report.


The tournaments themselves are on the KGS site at
http://www.gokgs.com/tournInfo.jsp?id=380 and
http://www.gokgs.com/tournInfo.jsp?id=381.

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Re: [computer-go] May KGS bot tournament: full-sized boards, fast

[Tom]

From the website http://www.gokgs.com/tournInfo.jsp?id=380 and the fact
that it hasn't started, I deduce that it starts at 1500 GMT, or about 40
minutes time.

On Sun, 2008-05-04 at 11:00 +0100, Nick Wedd wrote:
 Reminder - it starts in a few hours (13:00 GMT), five hours after the 
 time of posting this).
 
 Nick
 
 
 In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Nick Wedd 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes
 Registration is now open for this Sunday's bot tournament.  It will use 
 19x19 boards for both divisions, which will be 6-round Swiss.  It will 
 start at 15:00 GMT, and take place in the Asian night, European 
 evening, and American morning.  Time limits will be 18 minutes each, 
 sudden death, for both divisions. It will end about 19:00 GMT.
 
 Registration is as described at
 http://www.weddslist.com/kgs/how/index.html
 
 As last month, when you register you should tell me the processor power 
 (number of processors, processor speed, and any other significant 
 details) of the platform that it will be running on.  This is so that 
 the processor power can be stated on my report of the event, making 
 comparisons between programs more meaningful for anyone reading the 
 report.
 
 The tournaments themselves are on the KGS site at
 http://www.gokgs.com/tournInfo.jsp?id=380 and
 http://www.gokgs.com/tournInfo.jsp?id=381.
 
 Nick
 

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Re: [computer-go] May KGS bot tournament: full-sized boards, fast

[Jason House]

On Sun, 2008-05-04 at 14:22 +0100, Tom wrote:
 From the website http://www.gokgs.com/tournInfo.jsp?id=380 and the fact
 that it hasn't started, I deduce that it starts at 1500 GMT, or about 40
 minutes time.

I think you mean 1h40m?


 
 On Sun, 2008-05-04 at 11:00 +0100, Nick Wedd wrote:
  Reminder - it starts in a few hours (13:00 GMT), five hours after the 
  time of posting this).
  
  Nick
  
  
  In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Nick Wedd 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes
  Registration is now open for this Sunday's bot tournament.  It will use 
  19x19 boards for both divisions, which will be 6-round Swiss.  It will 
  start at 15:00 GMT, and take place in the Asian night, European 
  evening, and American morning.  Time limits will be 18 minutes each, 
  sudden death, for both divisions. It will end about 19:00 GMT.
  
  Registration is as described at
  http://www.weddslist.com/kgs/how/index.html
  
  As last month, when you register you should tell me the processor power 
  (number of processors, processor speed, and any other significant 
  details) of the platform that it will be running on.  This is so that 
  the processor power can be stated on my report of the event, making 
  comparisons between programs more meaningful for anyone reading the 
  report.
  
  The tournaments themselves are on the KGS site at
  http://www.gokgs.com/tournInfo.jsp?id=380 and
  http://www.gokgs.com/tournInfo.jsp?id=381.
  
  Nick
  
 
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Re: [computer-go] May KGS bot tournament: full-sized boards, fast

[Nick Wedd]

In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Jason 
House [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes

On Sun, 2008-05-04 at 14:22 +0100, Tom wrote:

From the website http://www.gokgs.com/tournInfo.jsp?id=380 and the fact
that it hasn't started, I deduce that it starts at 1500 GMT, or about 40
minutes time.


I think you mean 1h40m?


I also find summer-time (daylight saving) really confusing.

Nick
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