Re: [CGUYS] Telephone companies and privacy

2008-01-29 Thread Snyder, Mark (NGIT-CA)
Yes, Tom, my mind corrected it for me as I read it, so I missed the mistake. I agree. Who said those who give up their rights hoping for security end up with neither? Our rights under our constitution are our only real guarantee of security! Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message-

Re: [CGUYS] Telephone companies and privacy

2008-01-29 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
Read the book about the Duke LaCrosse trio that I am listening to on Public Radio would make the hairs on the back of your head stand up. Stewart At 06:40 AM 1/29/2008, you wrote: I'm so glad this was corrected. This kind of mistakes bugs the hell out of me. Recently noticed it once

Re: [CGUYS] Telephone companies and privacy

2008-01-29 Thread Steve Rigby
On Jan 29, 2008, at 1:11 AM, Eric S. Sande wrote: It's easy to suggest impropriety. I think the burden of proof is yours, sir. I offer this. http://tinyurl.com/3xc5o5 * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the

Re: [CGUYS] Telephone companies and privacy

2008-01-29 Thread Tom Piwowar
No wonder people hate lawyers and the legal system. To get us back on topic (sort of), this takes us back to an earlier thread Time Warner pay based on Data Usage. The point in both cases is greedy corporations starting propoganda campaigns to pollute our understanding of reality. Time Warner

Re: [CGUYS] Telephone companies and privacy

2008-01-29 Thread chad evans wyatt
Mr Sande, your turn. Blinders are so very hard to discard... Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs

Re: [CGUYS] Telephone companies and privacy

2008-01-29 Thread Jeff Miles
I'm so glad this was corrected. This kind of mistakes bugs the hell out of me. Recently noticed it once again while watching Law and Order. A loose qoute; Do you not agree that you slept with the defendant!? Yes! Ok, yes what? They either did or didn't. Do I really need to

Re: [CGUYS] Gates as Robin Hood?

2008-01-29 Thread Constance Warner
Jeff, There are two arguments that mitigate against the Friedmann pov. One using 1970 economics and one using 2007 economics. While we're talking about Robin Hoods: There's another kind of economics, too: 1929-1933 economics. Back then, in a laissez-faire environment, bankers and other corporate

Re: [CGUYS] Gates as Robin Hood?

2008-01-29 Thread Paul Meyer
Jeff, There are two arguments that mitigate against the Friedmann pov. One using 1970 economics and one using 2007 economics. The morality of maximizing profits is based on the idea that markets do certain things efficiently and so promoting the freedom of business people, entrepreneurs and

Re: [CGUYS] Telephone companies and privacy

2008-01-29 Thread mike
Bandwidth shortage...yeah. Cox is testing 30mbit here in phoenix. Friend of mine posted 28.7mbit test results via dslreports. Mike On Jan 29, 2008 9:51 AM, Tom Piwowar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No wonder people hate lawyers and the legal system. To get us back on topic (sort of), this takes

Re: [CGUYS] Telephone companies and privacy

2008-01-29 Thread Eric S. Sande
I offer this. http://tinyurl.com/3xc5o5 Suggesting, if the numbers are accurate, that .0078 of the responses for data were without court order or subpoena in advance, which is the normal procedure. Whether this was in response to a National Security Letter or not is unspecified. What is

Re: [CGUYS] Telephone companies and privacy

2008-01-29 Thread Tom Piwowar
Suggesting, if the numbers are accurate, that .0078 of the responses for data were without court order or subpoena in advance, which is the normal procedure. Are you not playing with statistics here? They admit to 720 illegal acts during a period of 2-3/4 years. There are about 690 business days

Re: [CGUYS] Telephone companies and privacy

2008-01-29 Thread Eric S. Sande
Plus, at least some of these requests were very broad. Not just who did this person call, but all the persons this person called and all the people those people called. That's going to be a big number. Well, not exactly. It was stated that the telco didn't keep calling circle data. Also, the

Re: [CGUYS] Sonnet ATA PCI card

2008-01-29 Thread David K Watson
I don't have the Sonnet Tempo ATA100 card in my G4, but I do have one of their SATA cards, so my experience may have some relevance. I have not had any problems with it whatsoever. My boot drive on that computer is now the one connected to the SATA card and it has never had problems recognizing