Thanks to everyone for my rapid education and confirmation of my
prejudices. I'm especially thrilled to have all this new jargon to throw
around!
You all lead me to conclude...
T1 at 1.5 Mbps is no big deal and hardly competes with Business ADSL
3.0/2.5 service priced at $60 month. Business
I see that Dell will stop taking orders for XP equipped PCs on the 18th
(this Wed). I also read that some Dell PCs can no longer be downgraded to
XP because there are no XP drivers for some components (sound cards,
NICs, etc).
So after failing to take over Yahoo are we going to be the next
By the way, no drivers for XP for certain hardware isn't MS's fault...the
companies who create the software decided to not write drivers.
Mike
On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 8:14 AM, Tom Piwowar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I see that Dell will stop taking orders for XP equipped PCs on the 18th
(this
Odd you should mention this, as I will be getting a new motherboard
this month and I've (almost) decided to go with Vista instead of XP.
I've had a dual boot XP/Vista install for a while, but little (third
party) problems kept me from defaulting to Vista. Well, now that
Nvidia has gotten their
On Jun 16, 2008, at 11:14 AM, Tom Piwowar wrote:
Does anyone have a strategy for avoiding Vista?
Macintosh OS.
Steve
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I've run vista on a dozen machines, never had anything similiar. What did
you buy that it ran like that? And can you be more specific?
Mike
On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 9:00 AM, Rev. Stewart Marshall
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Does the phrase runs like ME mean anything to you?
Stewart
At
What's wrong with Vista? Having to struggle to access many things that
should be transparently available and having it decide other things for
me incorrectly is a big reason for me.
I want to do my work on a computer not have the computer be the work.
Same things goes for Office 2007.
On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 11:14 AM, Tom Piwowar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Does anyone have a strategy for avoiding Vista?
Yeah. Get a Mac.
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On Jun 16, 2008, at 2:10 PM, Reid Katan wrote:
On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 11:14 AM, Tom Piwowar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Does anyone have a strategy for avoiding Vista?
Yeah. Get a Mac.
I suggested getting the Mac OS and was criticized for doing so.
Actually, I should have merely
what were your reasons for going with xp instead of vista?
On 6/16/08, Ellen Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'm ordering three new machines from Dell today with XP on them. They
should hold us until whatever follows Vista is available.
Tom Piwowar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I see that
Can you list your reasons for why your XP box isn't as good as Vista?
It's sort of hard to put a finger on. Mostly it just feels better. But I
have found it to be more robust (XP was pretty good, but I did get the
occasional bluescreen or hangup--I've never had either with Vista). And
it's
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I stand corrected. It also explains why PC users are mostly busboys and not
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Subject: Re: Forced to Vista?
What's wrong with Vista? Having to struggle to access many things
that should be transparently available and having it decide other
things for me incorrectly
and proud of it.
On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 4:00 PM, Chris Dunford [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Tom is a fan BOI, not boy. Glitterati are bois, not boys.
I stand corrected. It also explains why PC users are mostly busboys and not
busbois.
mike wrote:
Does anyone know why anyone wants to avoid vista on new machines? What is
the problem?
Mike
I haven't tried Vista yet, but I think one problem might be that some
software doesn't work for Vista as it does for XP. I'd like to see a
list of software that doesn't work with
I haven't tried Vista yet, but I think one problem might be that some
software doesn't work for Vista as it does for XP
I use a LOT of software and have had almost no trouble. A couple of things
had to run in XP compatibility mode and a couple more needed updates (which
were free in the specific
what were your reasons for going with xp instead of vista?
Need to run old software. MS bought the software company a few years ago
and discontinued their products. My client does not want to switch
despite aggressive MS sales tactics.
And suggesting it to Tom Piwowar, Mac guy and king of the Apple fan-boys (if
I may use his phrase), is surely carrying coals to Newcastle...
I am not an Apple fan. I merely despise junk and adore quality. It is not
my fault that MS makes junk and sells it by using strong-arm tactics.
I use a LOT of software and have had almost no trouble. A couple of things
had to run in XP compatibility mode and a couple more needed updates (which
were free in the specific cases I ran into). I had only one app that
wouldn't work at all
Giving me the MS party line is even less useful than
No reason at all. As long as you have enough horses in the box, Vista is
far superior to XP. I have to use both (for professional reasons) and I hate
using the XP box now.
If the client's primary application won't run there is no way that they
are going to love Vista.
I'd like to know what software it is. But I should probably know
better than to ask, because often the answer is some antique POS you
couldn't _give_ away today, but the clients are real luddites.
On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 9:28 PM, mike [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
So you don't like Vista because it
It might not be. MS bought some very strong lines of professional
business software years ago, one of them a AR ledger program that a
lot of businesses used.
Stewart
At 08:54 PM 6/16/2008, you wrote:
I'd like to know what software it is. But I should probably know
better than to ask,
So you don't like Vista because it won't run software that came out years
ago?
Don't be a jerk Mike. Lots of folks run old software for good reasons. I
have Mac clients using software that was discontinued 15 years ago.
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At 10:22 PM 06/16/2008 -0400, Tom Piwowar wrote
Don't be a jerk Mike. Lots of folks run old software for good reasons. I
have Mac clients using software that was discontinued 15 years ago.
There are those who can afford to replace software every time a new version
comes out. There are young
The software the client wants to keep using has not had any updates in
years. So my job is to get up-to-date hardware configured to run old
software.
We're still running mission critical apps on, in most individual cases,
P4 platforms.
XP Pro is the OS of choice.
Why would we do this?
Sure. Buy Dells with a Vista license and Ghost them with XP installs. You
need to have a volume XP product key to do this.
Why? Because Vista doesn't have significant enough business value for me to
go through the hassle of upgrading all the desktops to Vista. XP works just
fine for us. I'm
Not just businesses.
Schools also labor under some of the same constraints.
Our local school system still has machines that run 95. Many of them
are running 98. As they upgrade they go with the latest OS, but they
cannot afford to just upgrade machines at will.
Schools down here operate
I don't know if someone else already pointed this out,
but it seems like a really misguided idea.nbsp; For
a number of reasons, Linux (Ubuntu, Linux Mint)
would a superior
alternative to OSX on PC hardware. Secondly,
the real advantage of the Mac/OSX combo is the
hardware. If the goal is
Don't be a jerk Mike. Lots of folks run old software for good reasons. I
have Mac clients using software that was discontinued 15 years ago.
And I use, every day, a program that I wrote twenty-five years ago for DOS
2.0. The fact that your clients can still use this software doesn't prove
Vista doesn't have significant enough business value for me to go through
the hassle of upgrading all the desktops to Vista.
Here's something I don't understand, Jeff. Why is there a need for
upgrading all the desktops to Vista? This is basically the same argument
that Eric makes in another
Why upgrade everything at once? Why not just replace XP machines with
Vista
machines on their regular replacement cycle? I've heard some comments
about
IT issues with maintaining two OSs, but I don't really see it. It's just
doesn't seem that hard. They aren't THAT different.
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