At 9:52 PM -0500 1/5/09, John Emmerling wrote:
Why does every news story on this site except the one about the macbook
appear to be a parody? Or rather, why is a serious story mixed in with all
these gags?
You're kidding, right? It's the Onion! EVERYTHING is a parody,
albeit, in the case of
Why does every news story on this site except the one about the
macbook
appear to be a parody? Or rather, why is a serious story mixed in
with all
these gags?
You're kidding, right? It's the Onion! EVERYTHING is a parody,
albeit, in the case of the Mac Wheel, an extremely well-done
Testing is iterative, and good testing should find as
many flaws as possible (errors and design flaws) and
cannot end until every thing is correct.
I'm not disagreeing with you that extensive testing is a must. Of course it
is. But ensuring that everything is correct, while an admirable
If you don't try to test until everything is correct, you will suffer
later. My testing finds A LOT. As close to everything as I'm likely to
get.
I said Apple's experience designing and testing hardware and software is
an advantage they have over MS. I don't see that as bashing MS. They
both
If you don't try to test until everything is correct, you
will suffer later. My testing finds A LOT. As close to
everything as I'm likely to get.
Agreed. But you can't find everything, which is what the Other Poster seems
to want MS to do.
I said Apple's experience designing and testing
RLeeSimon wrote:
Prolly hyperthyroid...
Wants a cracker? :-)
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No, I was referring to the Other Poster's insistence that MS's failure to
find this bug is prima facie evidence of their incompetence. That's
MS-bashing, and it's ridiculous.
You are working hard to strip the specifics out of the discussion so you
can make vague generalities and issue blanket
I'm not disagreeing with you that extensive testing is a must. Of course it
is. But ensuring that everything is correct, while an admirable goal,
isn't really possible with current technology for a nontrivial program. You
can only try to get as close to it as you can.
MS has depressed your
I am currently the test manager for an enterprise system. We test every
functional requirement. In attributes with a fixed number of values, we
test each variation and check for expected results. Tests are mapped to
one or more requirements and vice-versa. For each test misstep, I write
a test
Yes I am using a Mac. I realize that the Verizon site is made
for Windows (It frustrates me, because it it should be both OS and
browser independent.) I primarily use my Verizon address for this
list. I have a number of other email accounts. I thought that the
Verizon filters
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Would MS test the button? (If they had one.)
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No you don't!
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From: Rev. Stewart Marshall [mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net]
Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 2:33 PM
Subject: Re: Steve Jobs
Wish I could catch it need to loose weight.
Stewart
At 01:19 PM 1/5/2009, you wrote:
Prolly hyperthyroid...
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I benefitted from a previous group whose testing was of the Elbonian type and
they really struggled to go-live and avoid getting canceled. I still have to
justify why I can't do 6-8 weeks of testing in 5-10 days, though. Why I need
time to verify requirements and write a test plan. I use a
My personal take having had each...
Each of these has a different usage.
The notebook will, if chosen well, do the task of a desktop. If you have a
desktop already, the notebook might not serve you well unless you need full
power of windows XP or Vista while on the road.
Smartphones use some
MS has depressed your expectations so much that I see
you are willing to accept anything they dish out.
Insisting that MS rarely makes such mistakes is ridiculous
Nice job of refuting things I never said...
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I am flummoxed again. I recently hooked up my Lenovo USB Webcam ...a nice
little device. I went on the website to update to the latest drivers.
While downloading it, I noticed a note on the site. Apparently, the maker
of this (Vimicro) has, within the driver set for this, a running executable
It seems unlikely those are 'drivers' you're downloading, because
Windows comes with all the drivers needed for webcams. More likely
it's just software that may enable some advanced features like face
tracking. Not necessary at all just to use IM's.
I have no idea if bigdog.exe is malware or not.
Subject: Re: [CGUYS] BigDog slobbers...
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I am flummoxed again. I recently hooked up my Lenovo USB Webcam ...a nice
little device. I went on the website to update to the latest drivers.
Apple at long last just announced all songs will be DRM free...we'll see if
there are devils in the details when more comes out, but it looks like all
those who went other places to get drm free music might give itunes another
look. Maybe that's why Jobs looks so sick...sold his soul to the RIAA
I do something sort of similar. If they want less testing before, I say
sure, but each cut before deployment will cost 2-3 weeks after we
deploy. It is much harder to test and fix when everyone is yelling that
it isn't working.
Thank you,
Mark Snyder
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Idiots _always_
Thanks,
Curious, I believe it was Chris who said that the current smartphones don't
ahve the full functionality that PDAS do. Is that not your experience?
Would be nice, of course, to have one device do both rather than having to
carry a PDA and a cellphone. I don't have heavy-duty needs; at
Netbooks are smaller than either and usually have a solid state drive
instead of a hard drive. They're cheap, light, and handy for light duty
stuff (email, web browsing, etc.) but aren't up to snuff for heavy duty
things like video editing or big databases.
HP has a class of machines they call
Yes I am using a Mac. I realize that the Verizon site is made for
Windows (It frustrates me, because it it should be both OS and
browser independent.) I primarily use my Verizon address for this
list. I have a number of other email accounts. I thought that the
Verizon filters were just
Is this like scotty telling kirk it'll take three hours to fix it when it
will really only take an hour and a half?
On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 11:42 AM, Snyder, Mark (IT CIV)
mark.sny...@ngc.comwrote:
I do something sort of similar. If they want less testing before, I say
sure, but each cut
Netbooks are small, but can be more portable than most notebooks. I
looked at the HP netbook yesterday and rejected it because it's small,
yet heavy. The Dell is similar. There are smaller netbooks that have
full keyboards, have a 6-7 display and can fit in your pocket--if you
wear cargo
On Tue, 6 Jan 2009 11:32:12 -0700, mike wrote:
Apple at long last just announced all songs will be DRM free...we'll see if
there are devils in the details when more comes out, but it looks like all
those who went other places to get drm free music might give itunes another
look. Maybe that's why
I carried a palm and cellphone for a little while long back ...happily a
very little while ...horrible!!
-Original Message-
From: Ranbo [mailto:ran...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 2:03 PM
Subject: Re: Laptop vs. Notebook (maybe vs. PDA or smartphone)?
Thanks,
Curious, I
It's not the utility of it; it's the idiocy of selecting a name that is so
highly likely to get selected by scanners and rejected causing problems for
many who are at entry level and get flummoxed by warnings and are little
prepared to google around to find the answer to why their thing won't
Lenovo ...weren't they IBM ...weren't they the Big Boys ...or just the
Big Dog now ??
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From: Tom Piwowar [mailto:t...@tjpa.com]
Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 1:32 PM
Subject: Re: BigDog slobbers...
Subject: Re: [CGUYS] BigDog slobbers...
Sent:1/6/09
If I test each function, sometimes for each allowed variable, testing is
time-consuming. I have many years of this and related experience and
can make detailed test plans that cover most, if not all, scenarios.
I don't think of this as 'estimate-padding' for extra time, since I
usually have a
Lenovo ...weren't they IBM ...weren't they the Big Boys ...or just the
Big Dog now ??
IBM sold out to a Chineese company.
I guess we should get used to it.
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It's not the utility of it; it's the idiocy of selecting a name that is so
highly likely to get selected by scanners and rejected causing problems for
many who are at entry level and get flummoxed by warnings and are little
prepared to google around to find the answer to why their thing won't
Best thing is for list owners to periodically adjust list filters so
that list members aren't bounced. It's your responsibility to send email
in the right format.
This list is configured with very conservative settings so that I don't
have to go chasing after spammers and viruses. I also see no
I think you need to develop a needs list before you get any
farther. What do you want your appliance to do for you!!!
Most tech disasters start with a poorly defined set of needs.
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From my brief reading up on the internet and talking to 2 friends, I thought
some differences are: 1) you can hand write on a notebook and 2) notebooks
don't usually have internal drives. Is that not the case? I'll have to
read up on netbook as well.
One of the happiest tech changes I have
To now throw in one more variable, if the main or ostensible purpose of the
notebook or laptop is to help one be organized in order to work, and if it
would be possible to get a PDA (or maybe a smart phone), which, if any, of
these devices (laptop, notebook, PDA or maybe smartphone) would be best
One of the hidden issues that I don't see being considered by anybody
re: thumb texting is RSI (Repetitive Stress Injury) tendinitus.
Try to think of other examples where the human thumb has ever been used
liked this historically. If you can't think of one... you can be
pretty sure the
I also wonder how long it will take me to become proficient enough for
thumb-typing to be as good as (e.g. as fast) or better than handwriting,
even with bad handwriting. I imagine if I could just grab a fairly small
notebook to jot down a note, like a reminder to buy something, a to-do,
I'd be
Let's say I highlight a message in Outlook Express, then hit Delete key.
Nothing happens.
Highlight a line in a Word 2003 document, hit Delete key, nothing happens.
That is a very limited test.
What happens outside of Office? We want to know if the problem is in
Office or with Windows. What
I'm sorry, but bashing MS over this while praising Apple assumes
that Apple
finds all bugs in all third-party components, and I think I can
pretty well
assure you that it doesn't.
I question this assertion. Bashing MS over this while praising
Apple does
not assume that Apple finds *all*
I wouldn't agree Apple is better at catching these things. The 2.0 version
for iphone is an example. Apple is just different at these things. If
Apple were better then there wouldn't be more security vulnerabilities fixed
in OS X then Vista. For 2007 these results:
How could Apple with supposed better research into it's code and it's
vendors code, have so many more fixes for the same time period? And this
isn't about security, just about Apple putting out OS X and then having to
go back and fix some of it's code. As every vendor must. Under Tom's
logic,
One of the hidden issues that I don't see being considered by anybody
re: thumb texting is RSI (Repetitive Stress Injury) tendinitus.
That's why I'd rather use a tiny netbook with a real keyboard. I don't
like thumb texting. Fingers--yes.
I did find a major downside of having a touchscreen
The same company lets it's code out before testing it, letting us test it
for them. That's the point, you keep twisting it into Apple's favor because
you can't see anything but that soft glow from Steve Jobs' eyes. And I
never said they had poor software, that's your tactic. I said very clearly
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