Re: [CGUYS] AAAHH, the old days

2009-12-26 Thread rleesimon
It was, in fact, my last and only computer course. Subsequently, I was gizmoless until the mid 1980s when I got my 2 floppy zenith 8088 laptop which, shortly thereafter, got an upgrade (out with one floppy and in with a 10mb hard drive, innovation at its best) and a few years later it got a 20mb o

Re: [CGUYS] recovery boot device

2009-12-26 Thread Tony B
WTF are you talking about? Compressed data isn't any harder to recover than non-compressed; just the opposite, since it resides in a smaller area and often contains recovery info. As for your "system that can be quickly installed on any hardware I have available", I have no idea what you're talkin

Re: [CGUYS] rain in the Cloud

2009-12-26 Thread Tony B
Yes, I've read it now. the content certainly seems to disagree with the title, as it's a love-fest for clouds. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, an

Re: [CGUYS] recovery boot device

2009-12-26 Thread tjpa
On Dec 26, 2009, at 4:26 PM, db wrote: If my machine had the symptoms this one has, I would do the works: BIOS flash & turn on BIOS virus protection, Since the machine is new enough to be returnable I would skip the tough stuff. Keep the computer disconnected from the LAN and WiFi off. Use

Re: [CGUYS] Docks and information Re: [CGUYS] Dock placement: [Was: Re: [CGUYS] Consternation over Computer Constipation]

2009-12-26 Thread db
That's as good an explanation as I have heard. It makes sense. Too bad Jobs doesn't have a wife with GUI design skills to give him a boot in the butt occasionally ... a little personal democracy :) db mike wrote: Well Apple is not a democracy, which is it's greatest strength and

Re: [CGUYS] recovery boot device

2009-12-26 Thread db
If my machine had the symptoms this one has, I would do the works: BIOS flash & turn on BIOS virus protection, Boot sector cleaning, partitions removal/ format, Free Zone Alarm firewall w. ask turned on ...all done while keeping the machine off the net. ... and the presently existing data

Re: [CGUYS] STRANGE VIRUS? AGAIN

2009-12-26 Thread Fred Holmes
The EFI physically resides in a ROM (chip) on the motherboard. If the chip is flashable (writable), then it's vulnerable, n'est ce pas? And EFI extensions are written to the hard/boot drive? So that's vulnerable also. Fred Holmes At 02:54 PM 12/26/2009, mike wrote: >Not really, but whatever.

Re: [CGUYS] rain in the Cloud

2009-12-26 Thread mike
And it doesn't jive with what Tom said about Danger's problem with the sidekick. And recent outages with BB. On Sat, Dec 26, 2009 at 1:03 PM, Fred Holmes wrote: > At 02:23 PM 12/26/2009, tjpa wrote: > >Most useful was the quote from Google: "clouds are more secure than > >whatever you're using

Re: [CGUYS] rain in the Cloud

2009-12-26 Thread Fred Holmes
At 02:23 PM 12/26/2009, tjpa wrote: >Most useful was the quote from Google: "clouds are more secure than >whatever you're using now." Depends upon your security model. Maybe tjpa's quotation is what your government wants you to believe. Fred Holmes **

Re: [CGUYS] RAID Revisited

2009-12-26 Thread mike
Any evidence here? You just posted a story where you complained about anecdotal evidence being it...now that's all you got. Please, I've asked now twice for the benchmarks...anyone? I never said RAID was the only answer, that is Tom's job to be black and white, for cost, uptime, I/O...? On Sa

Re: [CGUYS] RAID Revisited

2009-12-26 Thread mike
As I said, you've clearly had zero experience in any kid of elevated environment where more than just a couple of macs were needed. On Sat, Dec 26, 2009 at 12:38 PM, tjpa wrote: > On Dec 26, 2009, at 1:43 PM, mike wrote: > >> Uptime is important though to many businesses as the one I mentioned.

Re: [CGUYS] recovery boot device

2009-12-26 Thread mike
Awesome, it will install on more systems than if you just used os x at least. On Sat, Dec 26, 2009 at 12:38 PM, tjpa wrote: > On Dec 26, 2009, at 1:46 PM, mike wrote: > >> So you are installing linux then? >> > > BSD UNIX. > > > > *

Re: [CGUYS] STRANGE VIRUS? AGAIN

2009-12-26 Thread mike
Not really, but whatever. On Sat, Dec 26, 2009 at 12:26 PM, tjpa wrote: > On Dec 26, 2009, at 1:39 PM, mike wrote: > >> In point of fact, I don't think Apple systems have BIOS any longer, they >> switched to EFI when they went to intel. >> > > A BIOS by any other name... > > > > > **

Re: [CGUYS] recovery boot device

2009-12-26 Thread tjpa
On Dec 26, 2009, at 1:46 PM, mike wrote: So you are installing linux then? BSD UNIX. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.c

Re: [CGUYS] RAID Revisited

2009-12-26 Thread tjpa
On Dec 26, 2009, at 1:43 PM, mike wrote: Uptime is important though to many businesses as the one I mentioned. The thought of Mike being in charge of a nuclear reactor is really scary. I should also mention that RAID has not kept up with the data robustness features built into modern driv

Re: [CGUYS] STRANGE VIRUS? AGAIN

2009-12-26 Thread tjpa
On Dec 26, 2009, at 1:39 PM, mike wrote: In point of fact, I don't think Apple systems have BIOS any longer, they switched to EFI when they went to intel. A BIOS by any other name... And W7 eliminated the BSOD (by eliminating the blue background). Ah progress! **

Re: [CGUYS] rain in the Cloud

2009-12-26 Thread tjpa
On Dec 25, 2009, at 10:31 PM, chad evans wyatt wrote: http://www.technologyreview.com/web/24166/ The writer interviewed a lot of people, but did not or could not go beyond a bunch of anecdotes and quotes. No analysis here. Most useful was the quote from Google: "clouds are more secure than

Re: [CGUYS] recovery boot device

2009-12-26 Thread mike
So you are installing linux then? On Sat, Dec 26, 2009 at 11:27 AM, tjpa wrote: > > > I find it is best to have a system that can be quickly installed on any > hardware I have available (so installing Windows is out of the question). > Then copy over the data and go online. > > > > *

Re: [CGUYS] RAID Revisited

2009-12-26 Thread mike
Changing the subject again and not answering the questions. To most home users uptime isn't critical. I don't use RAID at home, my main system if I had a hard drive failure of my boot drive would be back up in about 20 minutes from an acronis image I keep updated on an external drive. Uptime is

Re: [CGUYS] STRANGE VIRUS? AGAIN

2009-12-26 Thread mike
In point of fact, I don't think Apple systems have BIOS any longer, they switched to EFI when they went to intel. On Sat, Dec 26, 2009 at 10:52 AM, tjpa wrote: > > > > > If I may. let me point out that to flash the BIOS on a Mac you have to > shutdown the computer, then start it up by holding do

Re: [CGUYS] STRANGE VIRUS? AGAIN

2009-12-26 Thread mike
I had a couple PC motherboards that could do this, they had a secondary ROM chip I believe...you could flash the BIOS from these back to default. On Sat, Dec 26, 2009 at 10:52 AM, tjpa wrote: > > > > > If I may. let me point out that to flash the BIOS on a Mac you have to > shutdown the computer

Re: [CGUYS] Verizon SMS

2009-12-26 Thread tjpa
On Dec 25, 2009, at 11:20 PM, Tony B wrote: Except that, as his tech person, it's my responsibility to see to it that he's made aware of all the latest tech whether he likes it or not. OMG, we all know what the looks like and have great sympathy for your boss. *

Re: [CGUYS] recovery boot device

2009-12-26 Thread tjpa
On Dec 26, 2009, at 12:54 PM, Tony B wrote: Disk imaging is the way to go, with some level of compression to save space. Backups should never be compressed. You can find yourself locked out of your data. Disk imaging is a possibility, but I prefer to focus on protecting the data. If you i

Re: [CGUYS] RAID Revisited

2009-12-26 Thread tjpa
On Dec 26, 2009, at 8:43 AM, Fred Holmes wrote: What do you do when uptime is important? Do today's drives never fail? When is uptime important? Was uptime important when M$ lost all the files used to run the Sidekick cell phone system? That was running on a "storage array" and I'm pretty

Re: [CGUYS] AAAHH, the old days

2009-12-26 Thread Fred Holmes
It always struck me that any attempt to alphabetize names, especially ones that were written "full" (so that the machine had to determine what part of the seven-word name was the last (family) name, and what part was the middle name, etc.) would be doomed to failure. I just used an extra column

Re: [CGUYS] STRANGE VIRUS? AGAIN

2009-12-26 Thread Tony B
Huh? So a mac-based Windows machine has this lock? That's nice. Many other companies have various schemes to prevent BIOS flashing as well. I'm sure if this ever becomes a real problem many more will join in. On Sat, Dec 26, 2009 at 12:52 PM, tjpa wrote: > If I may. let me point out that to flash

Re: [CGUYS] STRANGE VIRUS? AGAIN

2009-12-26 Thread Tony B
Actually, if we ignore the old time BIOS viruses that were targeted to specific hardware, the modern (but still only theoretical I think) BIOS virus will likely simply render the machine *dead*. Replacing the BIOS chip would bring it back to life, but realistically nobody would go to all that troub

[CGUYS] recovery boot device

2009-12-26 Thread Tony B
We're really beginning to stray here with all this talk of rare BIOS and boot sector viruses. And now a question about backups. Disk imaging is the way to go, with some level of compression to save space. Ghost, Acronis, and many freeware apps will do this. They all have basic Windows PE cds that

Re: [CGUYS] STRANGE VIRUS? AGAIN

2009-12-26 Thread tjpa
On Dec 25, 2009, at 10:39 PM, katan wrote: Except in the BIOS. WHat I'm wondering is, if a BIOS virus can intercept a BIOS update and re-infect the BIOS being updated. Here's a scary story from Tom's Hardware... http://www.tomshardware.com/news/bios-virus-rootkit-security-backdoor,7400.html "I

Re: [CGUYS] AAAHH, the old days

2009-12-26 Thread tjpa
On Dec 26, 2009, at 12:04 PM, rleesimon wrote: Yes, in 1965-66 as an undergraduate I took a computer course at NYU which comprised learned to program (entry level, PL-1)... PL1, wow that was my programming language of choice for may years. The horrible input was standing around waiting to s

Re: [CGUYS] AAAHH, the old days

2009-12-26 Thread rleesimon
Yes, in 1965-66 as an undergraduate I took a computer course at NYU which comprised learned to program (entry level, PL-1) and my assigned project was writing a routine to alphabetize a list of names including all variants (multiple first, middle names, hyphenated, with degrees, etc.) ...which took

Re: [CGUYS] STRANGE VIRUS? AGAIN

2009-12-26 Thread Fred Holmes
I haven't done a BIOS flash update in a long time, but it used to be that one booted to a boot floppy (some version of DOS or similar OS), and executed a utility on the floppy that wrote the revised code to the BIOS. Presumably today, one downloads a Windows Program that creates/makes a CD disc

Re: [CGUYS] STRANGE VIRUS? AGAIN

2009-12-26 Thread Fred Holmes
At 10:17 PM 12/24/2009, Tony B wrote: >Spoken like someone that has never heard of Windows XP, or all >subsequent versions of Windows. Do you still have a floppy drive in >your computer? :) No but I do have an external USB-attached floppy drive, which works as well as a motherboard-attached one,

Re: [CGUYS] RAID Revisited

2009-12-26 Thread Fred Holmes
What do you do when uptime is important? Do today's drives never fail? With a RAID mirroring system, you generally will have the system stay up on single drive failure, and the bad drive can perhaps be swapped hot (although I would still wait until 2 a.m. to do it so that the rebuild process w

Re: [CGUYS] STRANGE VIRUS? AGAIN

2009-12-26 Thread Fred Holmes
At 11:50 AM 12/24/2009, Reid Katan wrote: >Absolutely. What I don't understand is, if you're trying to infect as >many computers as possible, why would you write a virus that so screws >up a computer that the victim is *sure* to take action. . .and >quickly, as in the case of Gail and her son

Re: [CGUYS] STRANGE VIRUS? AGAIN

2009-12-26 Thread Fred Holmes
One talks of "formatting", but one needs to remove all of the partitions as well, so that the disk is clean. Then it would be a good idea to wipe the disk if you have such a utility -- boot from floppy or CD, plugged into a USB port. Make sure the disk is really "like-new". If the manufacture

Re: [CGUYS] STRANGE VIRUS? AGAIN

2009-12-26 Thread db
I think the old BIOS is deleted from memory before the new one installs. db katan wrote: On Fri, 25 Dec 2009 01:38:36 -0800, db wrote: If you disconnect the hard drive while you do that it has no place to hide... Except in the BIOS. WHat I'm wondering is, if a BIOS virus can inter