Re: [CGUYS] [ OT WARNING!!!!

2007-09-30 Thread Mark Corrigan
On Sep 26, 2007, at 11:14 AM, Charles Ballinger wrote: Any except the gov't hospital. What government hospital are you talking about? I take it that you are not a veteran and no nothing about the VA. The VA is the biggest hospital system in the world and provides very good care for

Re: [CGUYS] [ OT WARNING!!!!

2007-09-30 Thread Rob
...no nothing...? I take it you mean KNOW nothing? :) On Sunday 30 September 2007 10:57, Mark Corrigan wrote: On Sep 26, 2007, at 11:14 AM, Charles Ballinger wrote: Any except the gov't hospital. What government hospital are you talking about? I take it that you are not a veteran and no

Re: [CGUYS] [ OT WARNING!!!!

2007-09-30 Thread Charles Ballinger
You took wrong Mark. I'm a veteran and I know the VA system. Am I to guess you're somehow affiliated with the VA and took exception? I didn't say one couldn't get good care at a VA. I said, given a choice I'd prefer a non-gov't run hospital, except depending on diagnosis. Lots of people

[CGUYS] Best apples (was Re: [CGUYS] Fw: [CGUYS] [ OT WARNING!!!!

2007-09-29 Thread Mike Sloane
If you ever had a Cortland apple from upper NY state, you would know which is the best. :-) Mike John Duncan Yoyo wrote: No the vote on apple split three ways. Fuji, Granny Smith and Gravenstein with a few outliers for Winter Banana, Macoun and McIntosh On 9/26/07, mike [EMAIL

Re: [CGUYS] Best apples (was Re: [CGUYS] Fw: [CGUYS] [ OT WARNING!!!!

2007-09-29 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
The grapples are not bread to taste like a grape, but are soaked in a Concord grape solution to achieve the grape flavor. Stewart At 01:23 PM 9/27/2007, you wrote: On the Splendid Table table episode last week they talked to an apple breeding botantist. He said they released a variety

Re: [CGUYS] Fw: [CGUYS] [ OT WARNING!!!!

2007-09-27 Thread Constance Warner
Winter Banana? Really? Where can you get them? I can buy Grimes Golden, Black Twig, York, Winesap, etc. from Heyser Farms, but they've never had Winter Banana. Do you have a source? --Constance P.S.: My husband works at an Apple retailer. I can ask him about some specialized technical Mac

Re: [CGUYS] Best apples (was Re: [CGUYS] Fw: [CGUYS] [ OT WARNING!!!!

2007-09-27 Thread John Duncan Yoyo
(was Re: [CGUYS] Fw: [CGUYS] [ OT WARNING If you ever had a Cortland apple from upper NY state, you would know which is the best. :-) Northern Spy--not only perfect for my yummy apple pies--it has the best name. Gotta go back to canning my apples now... Betty

Re: [CGUYS] [ OT WARNING!!!!

2007-09-26 Thread Tom Piwowar
A happy employee is worth a ton of money! They help recruit business. I know this as it is the same or similar model Churches use to grow. The idea that the government should respond to social problems was a product of the Reformation, part of the process of sidelining the church. Then the

Re: [CGUYS] [ OT WARNING!!!!

2007-09-26 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
The one my doctor prefers to associate with. What is sometimes overlooked is that Doctor preference can also be an indicator of what are the better hospitals. If you have a family physician and he only chooses to associate with one particular hospital there must be a reason. Other than

Re: [CGUYS] [ OT WARNING!!!!

2007-09-26 Thread Matthew Taylor
Sometimes hospitals also restrict how many doctors they will allow privileges as well. Some very good family practice doctors have no privileges at all, as most anything going on in a hospital involves a specialist. On Sep 26, 2007, at 10:33 AM, Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote: What is

Re: [CGUYS] [ OT WARNING!!!!

2007-09-26 Thread Charles Ballinger
Adding to Matthew's comments: The established trend is to use hospitalists. Your doc gets some feedback, etc on your progress, but your inpatient care is directed and managed by the hospital's W-2 employed hospitalist. I'd not call a hospitalist a specialist other than as defined

Re: [CGUYS] [ OT WARNING!!!!

2007-09-26 Thread Constance Warner
You should also be aware that Catholic hospitals will not provide emergency contraception in case of rape, or--for that matter--any contraception at all. Provision of contraception in areas where few providers are available continues to be a problem, and not just in the case of Catholic

Re: [CGUYS] Fw: [CGUYS] [ OT WARNING!!!!

2007-09-26 Thread Tom Piwowar
I think too many list members have switched to OS X. Now they don't have any computer problems to gripe about. The rest of you need to get to work -- install Vista or some other harebrained piece of software so we can ponder the consequences.

Re: [CGUYS] OT WARNING!!!! - Tom is right

2007-09-26 Thread Charles Ballinger
On Sep 26, 2007, at 3:18 PM, Tom Piwowar wrote: I think too many list members have switched to OS X. Now they don't have any computer problems to gripe about. The rest of you need to get to work -- install Vista or some other harebrained piece of software so we can ponder the consequences.

Re: [CGUYS] [ OT WARNING!!!!

2007-09-26 Thread Robert
Tom Piwowar wrote: Given the choice of three hospitals and knowing only that one was run by a government agency, one was run by a for-profit corporation, and one was run by a religious-charitable organization, which would your choose? Depends on the government agency. If it is a hospital

Re: [CGUYS] [ OT WARNING!!!!

2007-09-26 Thread Randy
Piwowar [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 10:05 AM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] [ OT WARNING A happy employee is worth a ton of money! They help recruit business. I know this as it is the same or similar model Churches use to grow. The idea

Re: [CGUYS] [ OT WARNING!!!!

2007-09-26 Thread Charles Ballinger
Teaching hospitals are fine.. especially if you're stuck with some 'zebra' of a problem. Although every July and August, given a choice, I'd lean toward the non-teaching, non-govt places. On Sep 26, 2007, at 4:29 PM, Robert wrote: Tom Piwowar wrote: Given the choice of three hospitals

Re: [CGUYS] [ OT WARNING!!!!

2007-09-26 Thread Randy
: Robert [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 3:29 PM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] [ OT WARNING Tom Piwowar wrote: Given the choice of three hospitals and knowing only that one was run by a government agency, one was run by a for-profit

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2007-09-26 Thread mike
Or maybe the last guy with a question regarding apple stuff was refused an answer so everyone gave up. Mike On 9/26/07, Tom Piwowar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think too many list members have switched to OS X. Now they don't have any computer problems to gripe about. The rest of you need to

Re: [CGUYS] Fw: [CGUYS] [ OT WARNING!!!!

2007-09-26 Thread John Duncan Yoyo
No the vote on apple split three ways. Fuji, Granny Smith and Gravenstein with a few outliers for Winter Banana, Macoun and McIntosh On 9/26/07, mike [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Or maybe the last guy with a question regarding apple stuff was refused an answer so everyone gave up. Mike On

Re: [CGUYS] Fw: [CGUYS] [ OT WARNING!!!!

2007-09-26 Thread mike
Silly me I voted for gala. Mike On 9/26/07, John Duncan Yoyo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No the vote on apple split three ways. Fuji, Granny Smith and Gravenstein with a few outliers for Winter Banana, Macoun and McIntosh On 9/26/07, mike [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Or maybe the last guy

Re: [CGUYS] Fw: [CGUYS] [ OT WARNING!!!!

2007-09-26 Thread Randy
@listserv.aol.com Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 6:56 PM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Fw: [CGUYS] [ OT WARNING No the vote on apple split three ways. Fuji, Granny Smith and Gravenstein with a few outliers for Winter Banana, Macoun and McIntosh On 9/26/07, mike [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Or maybe

Re: [CGUYS] Fw: [CGUYS] [ OT WARNING!!!!

2007-09-25 Thread Matthew Taylor
Like him, hate him, think him a loon or a wise man, but Ron Paul is definitely not cut from the same cloth as the other candidates for President. On Sep 24, 2007, at 3:46 PM, Randy wrote: Someone for real, fundamental change wouldn't run for President

[CGUYS] Bingo! - you hit on the fundamental problem of humanity, and its implied solution (was Re: [CGUYS] [ OT WARNING!!!!)

2007-09-25 Thread Randy
- Original Message - From: b_s-wilk [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 7:21 PM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] [ OT WARNING Constance Warner [EMAIL PROTECTED] escribió: It's not just health care. As I see it, the underlying question is: do

Re: [CGUYS] [ OT WARNING!!!!

2007-09-25 Thread Randy
- Original Message - From: Rev. Stewart Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 8:44 PM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] [ OT WARNING On that I see no disagreement. A happy employee is worth a ton of money! They help recruit business

Re: [CGUYS] Fw: [CGUYS] [ OT WARNING!!!!

2007-09-25 Thread Randy
] Fw: [CGUYS] [ OT WARNING Like him, hate him, think him a loon or a wise man, but Ron Paul is definitely not cut from the same cloth as the other candidates for President. On Sep 24, 2007, at 3:46 PM, Randy wrote: Someone for real, fundamental change wouldn't run for President

Re: [CGUYS] [ OT WARNING!!!!

2007-09-24 Thread Constance Warner
It's not just health care. As I see it, the underlying question is: do we, as citizens, want a system in which the highest ethical value is making more money, down to the last penny, no matter what else is lost in the process? Especially when some of the players who are doing the down to the

Re: [CGUYS] [ OT WARNING!!!!

2007-09-24 Thread Alvin Auerbach
Constance, Just addressing your one point below: If you recall, our Supreme Court ruled that a State could use its power of eminent domain to wrest real property from a citizen, then give that real property to a corporation, if in so doing, they would get more tax revenue from the

Re: [CGUYS] [ OT WARNING!!!!

2007-09-24 Thread Constance Warner
I don't quite see what the Supreme Court decision about eminent domain has to do with what WalMart does. WalMart often comes into a community, in spite of the community's protests, and does whatever Wal-Mart management wants: build stores, abandon stores, demand tax concessions, wreck downtowns.

Re: [CGUYS] [ OT WARNING!!!!

2007-09-24 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
First off. Anyone who tries to compete against Walmart head to head is an idiot. Walmart is the largest grocer in town, but I still shop two smaller local stores because 1.) They carry things Walmart does not. 2.) I like their meat selections and quality better! I do not buy everything

Re: [CGUYS] [ OT WARNING!!!!

2007-09-24 Thread b_s-wilk
Constance Warner [EMAIL PROTECTED] escribió: It's not just health care. As I see it, the underlying question is: do we, as citizens, want a system in which the highest ethical value is making more money, down to the last penny, no matter what else is lost in the process? Especially when some

Re: [CGUYS] [ OT WARNING!!!!

2007-09-24 Thread Tom Piwowar
Is there a video featuring a better-run company like Costco--not including 'Idiocracy' or 'Employee of the Month' [although Mike Judge's Idiocracy was funny]? There are plenty of companies that have management with consciences, just not Walmart--one of the most expensive places to shop.

Re: [CGUYS] [ OT WARNING!!!!

2007-09-24 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
On that I see no disagreement. A happy employee is worth a ton of money! They help recruit business. I know this as it is the same or similar model Churches use to grow. Happy members pull other newer members in though the door thereby increasing numbers. How to keep them happy plus make

Re: [CGUYS] [ OT WARNING!!!!

2007-09-23 Thread Charles Ballinger
with computers? Nothing, directly, but since others are discussing this here, this is my 2 cents. Randall - Original Message - From: Matthew Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2007 3:27 PM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] [ OT WARNING I

Re: [CGUYS] [ OT WARNING!!!!

2007-09-21 Thread gerald
I have owned small businesses for the past 40 years. I retired in Jan 2007. I provided health insurance for employees. Certainly for the past 10 years, I provided a compensation package that took the cost of health insurance into consideration. I had very low turnover as health insurance

Re: [CGUYS] [ OT WARNING!!!!

2007-09-20 Thread Matthew Taylor
On Sep 13, 2007, at 10:47 PM, b_s-wilk wrote: OT WARNING!! -Walmart makes deals with communities not to pay local taxes in return for bringing jobs to the area. As do many, many other business considering locating in a community. This is a problem with local / state governments willing to

Re: [CGUYS] [ OT WARNING!!!!

2007-09-20 Thread Constance Warner
This is an old story--see the comment below this summary of the original debate, if you like. On Sep 13, 2007, at 10:47 PM, b_s-wilk wrote: OT WARNING!! -Walmart makes deals with communities not to pay local taxes in return for bringing jobs to the area. This is a problem with local / state

Re: [CGUYS] [ OT WARNING!!!!

2007-09-20 Thread Matthew Taylor
I can see an argument that society has an obligation to provide health care to all, and that government is the best means to achieve that. I do not see that the obligation, if extant, should in any way fall on employers. If one accepted that argument, that an economic entity that employs