Re: [CGUYS] Replacing Vista with XP

2007-09-03 Thread mike
Not as technical as my term, but it works. Mike On 9/3/07, Rev. Stewart Marshall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > That is easy. Assholes! :-) > > Stewart > > > At 05:27 PM 9/3/2007, you wrote: > >At 4:40 PM -0400 9/3/07, Roy A. Ackerman, Ph.D., E.A. wrote: > > > >>Hmmm. Unless there is something

Re: [CGUYS] Replacing Vista with XP

2007-09-03 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
That is easy. Assholes! :-) Stewart At 05:27 PM 9/3/2007, you wrote: At 4:40 PM -0400 9/3/07, Roy A. Ackerman, Ph.D., E.A. wrote: Hmmm. Unless there is something wrong, you better have more than one- which is why we have MANY opinions I did have one particular orifice in mind, but,

Re: [CGUYS] Replacing Vista with XP

2007-09-03 Thread mike
anii? Mike On 9/3/07, Roger D. Parish <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I did have one particular orifice in mind, but, since this is a > family list, I left it to your imagination. By the way, what is the > plural of "anus"? > > **

Re: [CGUYS] Replacing Vista with XP

2007-09-03 Thread Roger D. Parish
At 4:40 PM -0400 9/3/07, Roy A. Ackerman, Ph.D., E.A. wrote: Hmmm. Unless there is something wrong, you better have more than one- which is why we have MANY opinions I did have one particular orifice in mind, but, since this is a family list, I left it to your imagination. By the way, w

Re: [CGUYS] Replacing Vista with XP

2007-09-03 Thread Roy A. Ackerman, Ph.D., E.A.
rom: Computer Guys Announcements and Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Roger D. Parish Sent: 09/03/2007 4:12 PM To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Replacing Vista with XP At 3:50 PM -0400 9/3/07, Jeff Wright wrote: >Fear makes you do the darndest things. >

Re: [CGUYS] Replacing Vista with XP

2007-09-03 Thread Tom Piwowar
>Sounds more like hardware-centric Apple's worst nightmare. I don't have to >pay the Apple cachet pump tax, get a bajillion times more hardware options >and still get to run OS X, albeit virtually? Helloo PCs. Dream on. If you can't tell the difference you deserve a Chevy. **

Re: [CGUYS] Replacing Vista with XP

2007-09-03 Thread Roger D. Parish
At 3:50 PM -0400 9/3/07, Jeff Wright wrote: Fear makes you do the darndest things. Sounds more like hardware-centric Apple's worst nightmare. I don't have to pay the Apple cachet pump tax, get a bajillion times more hardware options and still get to run OS X, albeit virtually? Helloo PCs.

Re: [CGUYS] Replacing Vista with XP

2007-09-03 Thread Jeff Wright
Fear makes you do the darndest things. Sounds more like hardware-centric Apple's worst nightmare. I don't have to pay the Apple cachet pump tax, get a bajillion times more hardware options and still get to run OS X, albeit virtually? Helloo PCs. Even stranger when you consider the profit f

Re: [CGUYS] Replacing Vista with XP

2007-09-03 Thread Tom Piwowar
>Of course you can dual boot a PC with either XP or Vista, just like with >BootCamp. But you can't run OS X on a PC, not because of Microsoft or PC >hardware restrictions, but thanks to the Glorious Leader. He won't allow >that. That's like paying for a Chevy and demanding that the dealer delive

Re: [CGUYS] Replacing Vista with XP

2007-09-03 Thread Tom Piwowar
>>with XP > >I'm not quite clear on this. Are we saying that MS should continue to sell >both XP and Vista indefinitely? Does Apple do that? Apple provides complete support of the current and previous version of the OS. If MS did this they would support XP until the replacement for Vista shipp

Re: [CGUYS] Replacing Vista with XP

2007-09-03 Thread Tom Piwowar
>>How can Vista be any good if it takes more hardware to run that XP? > >That's a good question, but it's always been that way. Every generation >of OS adds capabilities that leverage hardware. If I want DX-10, I will >have to go to Vista at some point. Not right now, but probably within a >ye

Re: [CGUYS] Replacing Vista with XP

2007-09-03 Thread mike
2k/XP/Vista are based on NT actually. The reason the security features were removed, if you are speaking of the ones I believe you are, which are still available in vista 64bit is because they would have broken most applications. Mike On 9/3/07, Wayne Dernoncourt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >

Re: [CGUYS] Replacing Vista with XP

2007-09-03 Thread Wayne Dernoncourt
D Freye > On Sun, 2 Sep 2007 23:37:23 -0400, "Chris Dunford" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: >> > you to stay with XP > How can Vista be any good if it takes more hardware to > run that XP? I would bet that most programs will run much > faster in XP. I have a 133mh Win98se machine just back from

Re: [CGUYS] Replacing Vista with XP

2007-09-03 Thread Jeff Wright
> >How can Vista be any good if it takes more hardware to run that XP? > > That's a good question, but it's always been that way. Every > generation > of OS adds capabilities that leverage hardware. If I want DX-10, I > will > have to go to Vista at some point. Not right now, but probably withi

Re: [CGUYS] Replacing Vista with XP

2007-09-03 Thread Allen Firstenberg
On Sat, Sep 01, 2007 at 10:48:19AM -0400, Jeff Wright wrote: > You can't "downgrade" the OS, but you do have the right to install XP in > place of Vista. You have to already have the XP media *and* product ID and > you can then install that instead. Well, there are some caveats on this. Not all

Re: [CGUYS] Replacing Vista with XP

2007-09-02 Thread Eric S. Sande
How can Vista be any good if it takes more hardware to run that XP? That's a good question, but it's always been that way. Every generation of OS adds capabilities that leverage hardware. If I want DX-10, I will have to go to Vista at some point. Not right now, but probably within a year.

Re: [CGUYS] Replacing Vista with XP

2007-09-02 Thread D Freye
On Sun, 2 Sep 2007 23:37:23 -0400, "Chris Dunford" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > with XP> How can Vista be any good if it takes more hardware to run that XP? I would bet that most programs will run much faster in XP. I have a 133mh Win98se machine just back from the shop and an almost new A

Re: [CGUYS] Replacing Vista with XP

2007-09-02 Thread Chris Dunford
I'm not quite clear on this. Are we saying that MS should continue to sell both XP and Vista indefinitely? Does Apple do that? < I don't think that you can run Vista and XP at the same time, unless you use a third party virtualization program.> Actually, MS's VirtualPC will do that just fine

Re: [CGUYS] Replacing Vista with XP

2007-09-02 Thread Jeff Wright
> Vista is not far superior to XP. You gain very little by switching. I would agree, except in the area of security. Vista is nice to look at, but it's iterative over XP. Still, if you get it with a new PC, why jump through expensive or time-consuming hoops to *not* run it? > I don't think

Re: [CGUYS] Replacing Vista with XP

2007-09-02 Thread Jeff Wright
> You know that eventually they will make it impossible for you > to stay with XP. Ever the silly jingoist, eh? MS is supporting XP at the consumer level for 10 years after release, until 2011. http://www.windowsitpro.com/Article/ArticleID/94957/94957.html But, if you ever have any questions,

Re: [CGUYS] Replacing Vista with XP

2007-09-02 Thread Alvin Auerbach
"You know that eventually they will make it impossible for you to stay with OS 9." 1. Mac had a change of microprocessor. Windows did not. The change was because although at the introduction of the IBM PPC, it was superior to the Intel offering, over the years, Intel worked hard and pulled

Re: [CGUYS] Replacing Vista with XP

2007-09-02 Thread Jeff Wright
There. Fixed that for you. --- Now you know why Apple is so confident about future OS X sales. You may be better off following Mac user's favorite activity: succumb. You know that eventually they will make it impossible for you to stay with OS 9. Might as well

Re: [CGUYS] Replacing Vista with XP

2007-09-02 Thread Tom Piwowar
>This is paranoia; turn on the XP firewall and you can go online and d/l the >updates just fine... >If you are behind a home router, you have absolutely nothing to worry about. Some people will tell you with confidence that you can walk barefoot on hot coals. I say: let them do it. Call me parano

Re: [CGUYS] Replacing Vista with XP

2007-09-02 Thread Jeff Wright
This is paranoia; turn on the XP firewall and you can go online and d/l the updates just fine. Slipstreaming is only necessary when you install the OS from scratch many times. If you are doing a one-time install, it's a waste of time. If you are behind a home router, you have absolutely nothing

Re: [CGUYS] Replacing Vista with XP

2007-09-02 Thread MrMike6by9
The main concern I would have is making certain that with the 3 year copy of the OS, you would need to build a slipstream disc that contains all the relevant SPs and critical updates. I "think" you'd still be able to get them from MS but the new Dell would be vulnerable if you tried to do all the u

Re: [CGUYS] Replacing Vista with XP

2007-09-01 Thread Tony B
The XP you got with the old laptop was probably a 'branded' version, legal only on that specific laptop. A full version of the OS that could be installed anywhere would have cost a lot more. Vista's fine; I'd get it with a new laptop. Only reason to stick with XP would be if you have hardware invo

Re: [CGUYS] Replacing Vista with XP

2007-09-01 Thread Jeff Wright
You can't "downgrade" the OS, but you do have the right to install XP in place of Vista. You have to already have the XP media *and* product ID and you can then install that instead. The Dell OEM disks won't work unless you buy another Dell. The disks are locked to the system's hardware and lice

Re: [CGUYS] Replacing Vista with XP

2007-09-01 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
Check their small business listings you can still get XP on systems there. Our church bought one a few months ago and I specified XP. Stewart At 08:18 AM 9/1/2007, you wrote: Hello all; My wife's three year old Dell desktop got fried in lightning storm last week so I'm replacing it. I'd pre

Re: [CGUYS] Replacing Vista with XP

2007-09-01 Thread Dan Blum
P. Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2007 9:46 AM To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Replacing Vista with XP For what it's worth, you can still get XP out there, and at a good discount in some cases. I just bought an XP PC for $227 at Circuit City. Micro Center and Dell

Re: [CGUYS] Replacing Vista with XP

2007-09-01 Thread Richard P.
For what it's worth, you can still get XP out there, and at a good discount in some cases. I just bought an XP PC for $227 at Circuit City. Micro Center and Dell still sells them as well. Richard P. Dan Blum wrote: Hello all; My wife's three year old Dell desktop got fried in lightning stor

[CGUYS] Replacing Vista with XP

2007-09-01 Thread Dan Blum
Hello all; My wife's three year old Dell desktop got fried in lightning storm last week so I'm replacing it. I'd prefer to keep XP, but at this point, everyone's shipping with Vista. Two questions: 1. Has anyone found any good web resources on how to downgrade an OS from Vista to XP? 2. I hav