, and
that could be the causal chain.
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From: Michael Fernando [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Monday, July 30, 2007 7:17:13 AM
Subject: Re: [CGUYS] iPhone vs. IT: Clash of the Culture Titans
On 7/30/07, Rev. Stewart Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED
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Subject: Re: [CGUYS] iPhone vs. IT: Clash of the Culture Titans
all Italians are NOT...
sheesh
Mike
On 7/29/07, mike [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It's Italian...Jeff was being ironical.
And no, all Italians are straight from the Godfather.
Mike
On 7/29/07, Michael Fernando
I decided to google ATS.
http://tinyurl.com/388uun
Gosh, what an objective source. And a phantom IT manager with no name or
ability to confirm the claim. What a story.
Here's mine. We lost yet another eMac to a logic board failure, which has
to be replaced to fix the problem. To their
Well stated Paul.
-Original Message-
I think the article is mistaken about the conservatism of IT
departments.
(Surely there is misinformation coming sales reps - eg MS - about other
technologies but I think they take advantage of a certain reality and
don't
create it.)
That
Thanks, Jeff. Here is more grist for you mill, previously posted.
The Linux Action Show complains that the biggest pain in terms
of open shop support is OSX because Apple takes such pains
to disallow OSX running in a virtual session (and those boys are
have love for MS).
Jeff Wright [EMAIL
Not to their credit, we're without this machine for 2-3 weeks while it's
repaired off-site. Were this a Dell, I'd have the PC fixed by a tech, on
site, at worst the next day, with minimal downtime. The PC user, in this
case, is productive. The Mac user is not.
So objective. Compare a real
So objective. Compare a real response to a hypothetical and sing the
praises of what the hypothetical vendor might have done in some fantasy
situation.
Are you still sniffing the iPhone glue? These are both real situations,
neither is hypothetical, so what is your point?
I have read many
All this being said, Jeff...why the blank blank blank are you using
symantec? Just curious...
Mike
On 7/29/07, Jeff Wright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
So objective. Compare a real response to a hypothetical and sing the
praises of what the hypothetical vendor might have done in some fantasy
Not by choice. They bought Veritas, who used to make Backup Exec. The
situation I'm in may be enough to put me onto a different product.
I cringed the day I heard about the sale. On the day of the actual merger,
the Symantec CEO was quoted as saying I don't know why we bought them.
Head.
On 7/29/07, Jeff Wright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... (who was located
in Round Rock, TX, BTW)
... *again,* not located in this country.
Not that I have a problem with that per se, but sometimes,
you can cut the accent with a knife.
Looks like you _do_ have a problem with _that_.
There are a
I don't think I'm the one who needs to get used to something.
No, I *don't* have a problem with overseas tech support. I clearly said
that. What I do have a problem with is not being able to understand the
speaker because of a *very* thick accent. I think speaking clearly is a
basic job skill
Slow down one of the reasons we cannot understand them is that they
cannot speak English well enough to handle support calls.
I myself am an immigrant and I am married to an immigrant (Although
mine grew up speaking English, Canadian!)
I also minister to a church that has many immigrants
Huh? My point was not a pro-MS point but I'll bite.
Is your point that MS
technology so bad diversifing away from it will ultimately pay off? (I can see
that.)
Or was your point that you can't remain static with an IT strategy?
(I can see that).
Still, computing is full of examples of
I think the article is mistaken about the conservatism of IT departments.
(Surely there is misinformation coming sales reps - eg MS - about other
technologies but I think they take advantage of a certain reality and don't
create it.)
That reality is that IT resources, especially user support
Things are quiet; time for a flame war!
From eWeek.com: http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895,2158304,00.asp
I especially liked the end of the article:
In my column, I mentioned a report of an IT manager who was lobbying
his clients against the iPhone and the Macintosh. He said he would
quit
What system are they using where they are tortured or being punished?
On a recent macbreak podcast one of the podcasters said he was basically
afraid of windows because he would have no idea how to protect himself from
all the bad things out there. I see mac users like this all the time, mac
On Jul 21, 2007, at 6:27 PM, Tom Piwowar wrote:
Fear comes from working with a system that constantly punishes its
user.
I could not agree more. I know that in this case the reluctance to
delve into a new type of operating system is predicated upon past
experiences which have been
On Jul 21, 2007, at 6:05 PM, mike wrote:
What system are they using where they are tortured or being punished?
The folks where I work have to use machines running Windows because
of software requirements. They have problems with those computers, and
spend a fair amount of downtime fixing
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