Re: [CGUYS] What we actually get for our money...
Maybe you need some of the good 'ol American gumption of T. Bone Pickens. I have no comment on his tactics. I will be honest in saying that building out a fiber based network is expensive. The megacorp is bearing the cost. We expect ROI. That is basic capitalism. We know the government isn't going to help us do this. We are doing this on our own. That is how America is supposed to work. If you don't want our products you don't have to buy them, you'll get the same reliable utility service you always have had if you opt out of our fiber network. But we think our product is superior and we want to show you and tell you how good it is. We're betting that you'll really like our new optical network. End of commercial. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Excel on Mapped Drive
I was thinking along the same lines but you helped define it better. Thanks very much. I will check it out. --- On Fri, 8/15/08, John DeCarlo wrote: I had a problem with Windows and an often-accessed network share. Windows had cached information (you can see this in Explorer when you go to My Network Places and it shows you recently or often accessed network shares) that got corrupted. I would unmap the drive and reboot, then remap and try again. If more drastic action is needed, you will have to search through the Registry and remove all references to the shared drive, like recently accessed documents, my network places, etc. Then reboot and try again. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] What we actually get for our money...
On Aug 16, 2008, at 12:14 AM, Eric S. Sande wrote: All numbers are square kilometers, rounded up, total 436.025K. A little bigger than California and on average much denser. Yes, but how many of those who live in those areas are actually connected? One can have a very dense population without said population having the income or desire to become connected. Is Verizon going to rush out and put FIOS into neighborhoods based primarily upon population density? If so, then the poorest areas would be the first to get served. Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] the peanut gallery
The list, perhaps because it lacks any sort of rating system, definitely has a high ratio of hecklers around. Every time someone brings up a good point, 3 others jump in and opine, completely obfuscating the issue. Then there are the 3-4 people who jump into _every_ thread as if they know all about it. Or maybe they're the same, I dunno. I avoided joining this topic because it was obvious from the beginning the OP was asking about a specific setup that I had no experience with. But predictably, the usual suspects hopped right in and started espousing opinions on a wide variety of things, most completely irrelevant to the OP's setup, and many so far off topic the poor guy has no hope of ever solving his problem. We pros use it because of buzzwords like mature and reliable and inexpensive. We use it for well documented reasons. Non-practitioning hecklers in the back row like to shout out rude things to make it sound like they know more than the people in the trenches. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] iPod - Zune
My daughter's iPod croaked and she wants to replace it with a Zune. The only problem is her enormous iTunes library. I don't know anything about iTunes (other than that the Windows version crashes constantly). Can she Zune her tunes, or are they locked in the iTunes library forever? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] DVD's vs. External hard drives for archiving
On Fri, Aug 15, 2008 at 5:14 PM, mike [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This part..maybe your terminology is confused..you say they get more realiability with 'redundant disk arrays then with RAID'. Just a point of order, RAID *is* redundant array of independant disks. But RAID is a specific technology. Having multiple, redundant drives does not require using RAID. My understanding is that Google doesn't use RAID technology for anything but that one project (Adwords). While for their search indices and Gmail and the like they simply store multiple copies of the data. Then if one fails, the other copies are still there. -- John DeCarlo, My Views Are My Own * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] the peanut gallery
The list, perhaps because it lacks any sort of rating system, definitely has a high ratio of hecklers around. Every time someone brings up a good point, 3 others jump in and opine, completely obfuscating the issue. Then there are the 3-4 people who jump into _every_ thread as if they know all about it. Or maybe they're the same, I dunno. I avoided joining this topic because it was obvious from the beginning the OP was asking about a specific setup that I had no experience with. But predictably, the usual suspects hopped right in and started espousing opinions on a wide variety of things, most completely irrelevant to the OP's setup, and many so far off topic the poor guy has no hope of ever solving his problem. I went back and reviewed the answers again and David got his answer in the subsequent posts. But, we don't know his budget, so the specific answer isn't available. In the end, your budget is going to determine what solutions are available to you. The amount of data he is talking about is almost trivial WRT modern storage technology. 100 GB should just be left online and simply purchase a larger NAS to deal with storage issues and have a reliable backup/disaster recovery system in place to augment. I purchased this year a 5 TB NAS from Dell for about $5,000 (there are smaller and less expensive options). We also had a 700 GB file server, which was filling up rapidly. It's very simple to set up and uses SATA drives and runs on Windows Storage Server 2003. SAS would be better, but the capacity was lower and at a significantly higher cost. I was tired of the file server shuffle (we've had 3 in the past 6 years, all filling up within 2 years) and scaled out as large as we could afford. We still have 3.2 TB available. Ideally, this would be supplemented by a middle tier of disk-disk backup. I'd like to purchase a data protection server that takes hourly snapshots of all the local servers, including bare-metal backups, but that hasn't happened yet. That would allow very rapid recovery from significant data loss. The tape backup unit would then backup from the DP server to be archived off-site. WSS 2003 has a nice feature called single instance storage, which only stores one copy of duplicate files, with pointers to the file in the duplicate locations. That has shaved a couple gigs off of our storage needs. It also uses the Windows shadow copy service, which takes periodic snapshots of the data and stores the snapshots on a separate volume. The snapshots are a small fraction in size of the original files. I do these snapshots at 10 AM, 2 PM and 6 PM. Instead of IT digging through the tapes, staff can quickly recover deleted or overwritten files and folders using this. Vey nice, very simple to use and it has virtually eliminated the need to retrieve tapes from off-site to correct for the goofy-finger delete or the palm-to-the-face overwrite. I don't have to pay extra for the tapes to be delivered before they come back in on rotation and the staff doesn't have to wait days or weeks to get their files back. Oh yeah, and the NAS uses RAID 5. Gasp! * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] What we actually get for our money...
The megacorp is bearing the cost. We expect ROI. That is basic capitalism. We know the government isn't going to help us do this. We are doing this on our own. That is how America is supposed to work. Sounds like a viable business plan to me. I hope Verizon is successful and wildly reaps the benefits of their very substantial investment. Unfortunately, for too many of our friends, qualities such as risk and reward, investment and a return on it, are a distant second to gimmee, gimmee, gimmee, as if high-speed internet access is a national birthright. Most of the municipal wi-fi systems around the country, that were supposed to be oh-so-cheap to implement and have people fighting to get in line to get it, are languishing from low-ball cost projections, over-optimistic revenue estimates, low enrollment, mismanagement, idiotic partnerships, poor engineering and plain old city guvmint corruption. By any reasonable standard, these projects are abject failures. With all of these modern-day examples, you'd think people would get the memo about the futility of betting other people's money on for-profit ventures. Markets are very good at allocating the resources needed for products and services, when they're actually allowed to have competitors within it. Better yet, investors and businesses are only betting their own money, at least in the non-T. Bone Pickens world. When Verizon has to ask for permission from the powers that be to provide this service to areas that are locked up by monopolized systems, (think *most* of the country) thanks to local guvmints and sweetheart deals cut decades ago, it's no wonder high-speed internet access is in the state that's it's in. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] iPod - Zune
Legally yeah she is pretty much stuck. There are ways but they violate the DMA. Search for what M$ said about converting plays for sure to non- DRM they told you how to do it and the same applies to iTunes. To say anything more will make Tom nervous. This will teach her to buy non-DRM from amazon and other sources. The music industry won't give lots of things as non-DRM to the iTunes store but to others they will. On Sat, Aug 16, 2008 at 10:09 AM, Chris Dunford [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: My daughter's iPod croaked and she wants to replace it with a Zune. The only problem is her enormous iTunes library. I don't know anything about iTunes (other than that the Windows version crashes constantly). Can she Zune her tunes, or are they locked in the iTunes library forever? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * might John Duncan Yoyo ---o) * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] DVD's vs. External hard drives for archiving
But RAID is a specific technology. Having multiple, redundant drives does not require using RAID. My understanding is that Google doesn't use RAID technology for anything but that one project (Adwords). While for their search indices and Gmail and the like they simply store multiple copies of the data. Then if one fails, the other copies are still there. But it does require a system of server failovers, one that is likely software based and can also fail. I suppose you could call this setup RAIS. Suffice it to say, a system of redundant servers is the ideal situation for data protection and disaster recovery, is out of the reach, both in terms of costs and complexity, for much smaller organizations. For us, RAID + backup is the way to go for fault tolerant data protection. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] DVD's vs. External hard drives for archiving
On Sat, Aug 16, 2008 at 12:50 AM, mike [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So what does company with database access needs and 25 users do to keep as much up time as possible? Depends on the budget, etc. And what the requirements are. A hardware RAID controller has many problems - you have to make sure you have multiple identical controllers, in case it fails. I would guess that something like Google does for Adwords would be fairly reasonable. Software RAID that simply does mirroring - RAID 1 - would be useful, and not dependent on proprietary hardware. The biggest risks are with RAID that does striping or uses a hardware RAID controller. But they will get much higher up time by using Linux and running MySQL or PostrgeSQL, implementing high availability, like data replication to another server, etc. The blog seems to be splitting hairs, instead of hardware RAID on one machine, google seems to be employing hardware RAID across multiple machines. Just because they aren't using specifically expensive hardware RAID controllers, the writer admits google still uses software RAID. I guess you didn't have enough time to read it. It specifically says that Google uses software RAID for Adwords. And that Google uses no RAID at all for any other storage, like for Gmail or for indexing the Internet. Better to have multiple machines and multiple disks - they are relatively inexpensive. If one disk or one machine fails, there is zero impact. -- John DeCarlo, My Views Are My Own * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] What we actually get for our money...
Eric S. Sande ZDNet Australia has the US listed in 2008 as 23rd behind Latvia, Greece, Hong Kong, Romania, Macau. Pretty pathetic. Romania238K Greece 132K Latvia 65K Hong Kong1K Macau .025K All numbers are square kilometers, rounded up, total 436.025K. Density certainly is critical, but wasn't Bell/ATT/TPC granted the ability to impose a surcharge to get things moving on the ability to have high-speed networking? -- Take care | This clown speaks for himself, his job doesn't Wayne D. | supply this, at least not directly Science is a collection of successful recipes * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] iPod - Zune
On Sat, Aug 16, 2008 at 10:09 AM, Chris Dunford [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: My daughter's iPod croaked and she wants to replace it with a Zune. The only problem is her enormous iTunes library. I don't know anything about iTunes (other than that the Windows version crashes constantly). Can she Zune her tunes, or are they locked in the iTunes library forever? It depends. If all her music is in MP3 format, and when it was imported into iTunes, the originals were kept, then she can import all those MP3 files into the Zune library. I am not an iTunes expert, though. There may be ways to export to MP3 whatever is in there, so only DRM would be an issue. -- John DeCarlo, My Views Are My Own * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] iPod - Zune
Legally yeah she is pretty much stuck. There are ways but they violate the DMA. Search for what M$ said about converting plays for sure to non- DRM they told you how to do it and the same applies to iTunes. To say anything more will make Tom nervous. This will teach her to buy non-DRM from amazon and other sources. The music industry won't give lots of things as non-DRM to the iTunes store but to others they will. I sincerely hope my music is not stuck in an iTunes library, which I will soon be 'forced' to use. I just (reluctantly) purchased a refurbed 30 Gb Video iPod (5G) to replace my aging Gen 1 Dell DJ. It should arrive on Monday. I rip/buy all my music as un-DRM'd MP3s to a folder on my hard drive and manage it from there through Windows Explorer and Media Monkey. I hope that iTunes doesn't screw up the perfectly usable system I have in place, tho' I've been told it won't. I remain skeptical. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] is it RAID?
It is a specific technology, but not a specific hardware technology. RAID is a technology that uses multiple hard drives for performance, data management or reliability. You don't need a RAID card to make RAID. And it seems to me in google's case instead of using multiple hard drives in one server/box, they are using a server/box as if it were a drive and using multiple boxes to denote the (for lack of a better word) RAID. Mirroring whole machines rather then just HD's. What would you call this? It seems to me it's still multiple hard drives being used for performance, data management and reliability. RAID on steroids...if not in fact, but at least in practical terminology. Mike On Sat, Aug 16, 2008 at 7:19 AM, John DeCarlo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Aug 15, 2008 at 5:14 PM, mike [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This part..maybe your terminology is confused..you say they get more realiability with 'redundant disk arrays then with RAID'. Just a point of order, RAID *is* redundant array of independant disks. But RAID is a specific technology. Having multiple, redundant drives does not require using RAID. My understanding is that Google doesn't use RAID technology for anything but that one project (Adwords). While for their search indices and Gmail and the like they simply store multiple copies of the data. Then if one fails, the other copies are still there. -- John DeCarlo, My Views Are My Own * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] What we actually get for our money...
The government, meaning us the taxpayers already has been helping with ginormous tax incentives and rebates. Actually if helping means 'paying for it through the nose' then we are good. This article states the telcos, including verizon promised over 80 million households would have fiber, it looks like we are sitting at under 4 million at this time. http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2006/05/12/telcos-lay-billion-goose-egg On Sat, Aug 16, 2008 at 12:45 AM, Eric S. Sande [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The megacorp is bearing the cost. We expect ROI. That is basic capitalism. We know the government isn't going to help us do this. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] iPod - Zune
That dell wasn't bad for it's time, but the software was horrid...almost as bad as soundstage is for sony. I've been using iTunes on xp pro, vista 64 for several years and have never had a single issue. Just don't let iTunes manage your music and all will be well. I keep all my ripped music on an external drive and iTunes never touches it unless I happen to change an mp3 tag once in awhile. Mike On Sat, Aug 16, 2008 at 8:17 AM, Jeff Wright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I rip/buy all my music as un-DRM'd MP3s to a folder on my hard drive and manage it from there through Windows Explorer and Media Monkey. I hope that iTunes doesn't screw up the perfectly usable system I have in place, tho' I've been told it won't. I remain skeptical. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] XP rundll error question -
List members : Is there a trustworthy freeware program which will fix rundll problems in XP ? If not , can anyone recommend a program you've had experience with that will do the job ? Many thanks , Tom Chambers -- We can't all , and some of us don't - Eeyore * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] XP rundll error question -
First you must define rundll problems. That's a common program error and can usually be solved by updating the software causing it. Any registry cleaner app _might_ fix the issue. Like the freeware Easy Cleaner ( http://personal.inet.fi/business/toniarts/ecleane.htm ) . Or not. On Sat, Aug 16, 2008 at 12:29 PM, Tom Chambers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: List members : Is there a trustworthy freeware program which will fix rundll problems in XP ? If not , can anyone recommend a program you've had experience with that will do the job ? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] iPod - Zune
You should be fine with your MP3's. Just keep them as MP3s. The only things that gets bad DRM are most purchases from the iTunes store. Buy either the non DRM iTunes or other non DRMed vendors like Amazon.com. Accepting DRM was the only way apple was to get vendors to allow them to sell. Now iTunes is the biggest music vendor in the US and has the music industry worried. They offer non DRM to other vendors so apple has comepetition. On Sat, Aug 16, 2008 at 11:17 AM, Jeff Wright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Legally yeah she is pretty much stuck. There are ways but they violate the DMA. Search for what M$ said about converting plays for sure to non- DRM they told you how to do it and the same applies to iTunes. To say anything more will make Tom nervous. This will teach her to buy non-DRM from amazon and other sources. The music industry won't give lots of things as non-DRM to the iTunes store but to others they will. I sincerely hope my music is not stuck in an iTunes library, which I will soon be 'forced' to use. I just (reluctantly) purchased a refurbed 30 Gb Video iPod (5G) to replace my aging Gen 1 Dell DJ. It should arrive on Monday. I rip/buy all my music as un-DRM'd MP3s to a folder on my hard drive and manage it from there through Windows Explorer and Media Monkey. I hope that iTunes doesn't screw up the perfectly usable system I have in place, tho' I've been told it won't. I remain skeptical. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * -- John Duncan Yoyo ---o) * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] iPod - Zune
-Original Message- That dell wasn't bad for it's time, but the software was horrid...almost as bad as soundstage is for sony. It was a solid device; no scratches on it ever. I never used the awful MusicMatch that came with it. Just the Explorer plug-in. I've been using iTunes on xp pro, vista 64 for several years and have never had a single issue. Just don't let iTunes manage your music and all will be well. I keep all my ripped music on an external drive and iTunes never touches it unless I happen to change an mp3 tag once in awhile. Maybe I'm not understanding what you are saying here, but how do you get music onto the iPod if you don't use iTunes for that? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] iPod - Zune
There is a pretty good chance that a file backup/ reformat/ Windows reload followed by a iTunes install will take care of her problem. iTunes doesn't play well on a frazzled Win load. db John Duncan Yoyo wrote: Legally yeah she is pretty much stuck. There are ways but they violate the DMA. Search for what M$ said about converting plays for sure to non- DRM they told you how to do it and the same applies to iTunes. To say anything more will make Tom nervous. This will teach her to buy non-DRM from amazon and other sources. The music industry won't give lots of things as non-DRM to the iTunes store but to others they will. On Sat, Aug 16, 2008 at 10:09 AM, Chris Dunford [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: My daughter's iPod croaked and she wants to replace it with a Zune. The only problem is her enormous iTunes library. I don't know anything about iTunes (other than that the Windows version crashes constantly). Can she Zune her tunes, or are they locked in the iTunes library forever? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * might John Duncan Yoyo ---o) * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] DVD's vs. External hard drives for archiving
I think that was what he was referring to ... that redundant arrays appear to be a very large mirrored RAID (Redundant Array of Independent Disks) ... as someone noted RAIS ... so for our purposes realistically there is no real disadvantage in using RAID when the alternative is to wait for and suffer a hard drive failure. (But I guess what people are saying is rather than using RAID devices it is better to pay to back up your non RAID data disks with either a more expensive fast or less expensive slow online (RAIS) storage/ backup vendor...) Speaking of which Amazon's redundant array crashed temporarily for 8 hrs recently didn't it? db John DeCarlo wrote: On Fri, Aug 15, 2008 at 5:14 PM, mike [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This part..maybe your terminology is confused..you say they get more realiability with 'redundant disk arrays then with RAID'. Just a point of order, RAID *is* redundant array of independant disks. But RAID is a specific technology. Having multiple, redundant drives does not require using RAID. My understanding is that Google doesn't use RAID technology for anything but that one project (Adwords). While for their search indices and Gmail and the like they simply store multiple copies of the data. Then if one fails, the other copies are still there. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] iPod - Zune
Sorry I wasn't clear. When you first run iTunes it will ask if you want iTunes to manage your music or if you want to manage it yourself. Letting itunes manage it, will most likely end up moving your music you wish on your ipod to be imported into the windows music folder. If you just manage the music yourself, the music stays wherever you have it now and then you can tell itunes to scan a local HD for all mp3's or as I do, just drag and drop all the music you want into iTunes. iTunes will still load your music onto the ipod but that's all it will do. I don't use iTunes for anything except loading music and getting podcasts, tagging, ripping playing music on the local machine etc I do with other programs...old habits I guess. Mike On Sat, Aug 16, 2008 at 10:16 AM, Jeff Wright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Original Message- That dell wasn't bad for it's time, but the software was horrid...almost as bad as soundstage is for sony. It was a solid device; no scratches on it ever. I never used the awful MusicMatch that came with it. Just the Explorer plug-in. I've been using iTunes on xp pro, vista 64 for several years and have never had a single issue. Just don't let iTunes manage your music and all will be well. I keep all my ripped music on an external drive and iTunes never touches it unless I happen to change an mp3 tag once in awhile. Maybe I'm not understanding what you are saying here, but how do you get music onto the iPod if you don't use iTunes for that? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] DVD's vs. External hard drives for archiving
It was down for not quite 3 hours and AFAIK, no one lost any data. On Sat, Aug 16, 2008 at 10:41 AM, db [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Speaking of which Amazon's redundant array crashed temporarily for 8 hrs recently didn't it? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] iPod - Zune
I rip/buy all my music as un-DRM'd MP3s to a folder on my hard drive and manage it from there through Windows Explorer and Media Monkey. I hope that iTunes doesn't screw up the perfectly usable system I have in place, tho' I've been told it won't. I remain skeptical. I know it is so hard for abused denizens of the Windows gulag to believe it, but iTunes on your PC is going to run just fine. You can set iTunes preferernces to either have iTunes manage your music files or leave them where they are and contunue to use Media Monkey. I like Media Monkey and have been using it on my PC since before iTunes was available for Windows. I haven't bothered to switch those MP3s to iTunes because my CD collection quickly exceeded the 5GB capacity of my iPod (1st G, yes it still works and I use it a lot; it is quite beat up at this point). I bet that once you see how nicely iTunes works you will switch. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] DVD's vs. External hard drives for archiving
Yes, I guess that is the point. You run less risk of losing your backup data stored with a reliable online vendor than you do if you depend on your own RAID/ Drobo device. db mike wrote: It was down for not quite 3 hours and AFAIK, no one lost any data. On Sat, Aug 16, 2008 at 10:41 AM, db [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Speaking of which Amazon's redundant array crashed temporarily for 8 hrs recently didn't it? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] ultrabay 2000
I have an ibm thinkpad x31 pIV-m 1.4 2gb/120gb on an ultrabase x3 with empty ultrabay 2000 and I have the old 40gb hdd I replaced in the notebook (for size, not malfunction). Can I just buy the 2nd HDD adapter (the HDD I bought is a WD scorpio wdc wd1200ve-00kwt0 2.5 120gb ATA-6 and the one I took out is a Toshiba 40gb which it came with). I see the adapter on eBay which is for any 9.5mm thick, 2.5 PATA (IDE) HDD ...am I on the right track? Then I can put that 40 in there and have a good backup device, yes? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] iPod - Zune
My daughter's iPod croaked and she wants to replace it with a Zune. The only problem is her enormous iTunes library. I don't know anything about iTunes (other than that the Windows version crashes constantly). Can she Zune her tunes, or are they locked in the iTunes library forever? If her iTunes library is mostly ripped from CDs or stolen MP3s from P2P nets then the files can just be copied over. If the tunes are iTunes DRM-protected files, she should check if they can be upgraded to higher-bit-rate and non-DRM. Apple charges 30¢ per tune for the upgrade. This is only available for tunes so authorized by the music cartels. But isn't this a case of one mistake begetting another? If your iTunes software is crashing it means your PC is misconfigured. Why not fix that? Replacing an iPod with a Zune is a cruel joke. Are you one of those parents who believes in the educational value of failure? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] is it RAID?
It is a specific technology, but not a specific hardware technology. RAID is a technology that uses multiple hard drives for performance, data management or reliability. The above is correct as long as you write it in the past tense. The error is not realizing that all of these benefits can be more easily obtained using different, newer methods. Time marches on! seems to me in google's case instead of using multiple hard drives in one server/box, they are using a server/box as if it were a drive and using multiple boxes to denote the (for lack of a better word) RAID. Mirroring whole machines rather then just HD's. Is the use of multiple servers just a different way to implement RAID? Only if you stretch the definition of RAID to the extreme and ignore what the D stands for. It also moves completely out of the context of this discussion: what kind of drive is best for storing archives. I woule never use a RAID for that. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] Data protection Server
You ever look into the stuff from NetApp? On Aug 16, 2008, at 10:20 AM, Jeff Wright wrote: I'd like to purchase a data protection server that takes hourly snapshots of all the local servers, * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] is it RAID?
You keep saying this, but don't give examples of what better methods there are. Mike On Sat, Aug 16, 2008 at 12:06 PM, Tom Piwowar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It is a specific technology, but not a specific hardware technology. RAID is a technology that uses multiple hard drives for performance, data management or reliability. The above is correct as long as you write it in the past tense. The error is not realizing that all of these benefits can be more easily obtained using different, newer methods. Time marches on! * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Data protection Server
-Original Message- You ever look into the stuff from NetApp? Yes, I have, but I thought they were little pricey. Dell actually has a less expensive series that I would like to get one of. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] DVD's vs. External hard drives for archiving
Yes, I guess that is the point. You run less risk of losing your backup data stored with a reliable online vendor than you do if you depend on your own RAID/ Drobo device. If your budget can swing it, you should have the following for complete protection: 1. Shadow copies 2. Disk-disk backup 3. Disk to tape/hard drive for offsite/disaster recovery 4. Online data replication (or whatever you are using for storage) 5. Redundant/failover servers (for high availability applications) 6. Redundant sites for business continuity On the Google case cited, I remember how Google wrote their own OS for the server farms way back when. I don't know if this is still the case, but it's another example of how Google does business is not necessarily a template for the rest of the world. Likewise, my own home seems sorely lacking compared to the homes I see on Cribs. Should I emulate rappers on how I furnish my home? I don't have enough bottles of Cristal in my fridge if that's the case. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] iPod - Zune
Are there any unlimited music services that allow ipods to access them? If I'm not mistaken there are not...could be why the switch to a zune. Or she just wants to look for people to squirt. Mike On Sat, Aug 16, 2008 at 11:56 AM, Tom Piwowar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My daughter's iPod croaked and she wants to replace it with a Zune. The only problem is her enormous iTunes library. I don't know anything about iTunes (other than that the Windows version crashes constantly). Can she Zune her tunes, or are they locked in the iTunes library forever? If her iTunes library is mostly ripped from CDs or stolen MP3s from P2P nets then the files can just be copied over. If the tunes are iTunes DRM-protected files, she should check if they can be upgraded to higher-bit-rate and non-DRM. Apple charges 30¢ per tune for the upgrade. This is only available for tunes so authorized by the music cartels. But isn't this a case of one mistake begetting another? If your iTunes software is crashing it means your PC is misconfigured. Why not fix that? Replacing an iPod with a Zune is a cruel joke. Are you one of those parents who believes in the educational value of failure? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] is it RAID?
-Original Message- You keep saying this, but don't give examples of what better methods there are. Why educate when you can obfuscate? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] the peanut gallery
The list, perhaps because it lacks any sort of rating system, definitely has a high ratio of hecklers around. Every time someone brings up a good point, 3 others jump in and opine, completely obfuscating the issue. Tony, you need to get out of this funk. The discussion on the RAID thread was quite complete and of necessity far reaching. There is no one right answer and there are many factors that favor one alternative or another. As lists go, this one has a large proportion of participants who deserve high marks. If this list operated to your specifications it would be a very boring place indeed. I think this list attracts smart people because it affords more than simple answers to simple questions, but also an opportunity to discuss and debate the more interesting questions. There are folks on this list who I almost always disagree with and I'm very happy they are here. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] iPod - Zune
Are there any unlimited music services that allow ipods to access them? If I'm not mistaken there are not...could be why the switch to a zune. Or she just wants to look for people to squirt. Unlimited services like LimeWire or BearShare? Those are the only truly unlimited services, but they are alas illegal. Or services that sell perpetual rights to specific media, like iTunes or Amazon music stores? Perpetual rights is a good form of unlimited. Or services that sell temporally-limited rights to an unspecified media library for as long as you pay their monthly fee. The latter call themselves unlimited but in fact they are the most limited. If you miss a monthly payment you lose it all. Most people have figured this out so rental services have not done well in the marketplace. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] iPod - Zune
Assuming it is germane to this discussion, It happens there is alternate software available to put plain-vanilla mp3s on an iPod. I have used Yamipod for this purpose. I even used it on Linux with some success. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] is it RAID?
You keep saying this, but don't give examples of what better methods there are. There have been many examples proffered. I think you just don't want to acknowledge them. I won't repeat Jeff's list, which is quite complete and very useful for us all. It includes some technologies that are waxing and some that are waning. I think RAID has gone dark. Some of us have not gotten there yet. I do apperciate Jeff's efforts to write it all down. RAID vs. RAIS is an interesting concept, that I won't agree with. All this is what makes this list special. I think we should scale this back to the parameters of the original question: given a limited budget and the need to protect about 1TB, which of these technologies make sense? I woule go for DVDs *and* an external hard drive, but no RAID. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] is it RAID?
What would you do with the external HD? Use it with a backup program or replication program...? db Tom Piwowar wrote: You keep saying this, but don't give examples of what better methods there are. There have been many examples proffered. I think you just don't want to acknowledge them. I won't repeat Jeff's list, which is quite complete and very useful for us all. It includes some technologies that are waxing and some that are waning. I think RAID has gone dark. Some of us have not gotten there yet. I do apperciate Jeff's efforts to write it all down. RAID vs. RAIS is an interesting concept, that I won't agree with. All this is what makes this list special. I think we should scale this back to the parameters of the original question: given a limited budget and the need to protect about 1TB, which of these technologies make sense? I woule go for DVDs *and* an external hard drive, but no RAID. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] What we actually get for our money...
The Internet and broadband both are the result of many years of our government investing in science/technology RD, giving research and implementation grants to university and private research labs while providing huge tax breaks to the broadband providers. Those providers promised to get their systems up and running within a designated time, and in return, they got help from the government, as has been necessary for huge projects like this, and they have profited well, just not on their own. High quality communications backbone and capability is essential for economic advancement of businesses in this country. Economic and scientific parity, or better yet, superiority are important for the well-being of the American people, but most important, advanced communications is the foundation of national security through economic security. If the libertarians among you believe that the government can't do a good job at promoting science and communications, you have a very short memory, or you slept through history and current events classes. We're lucky that the people in government 50 years ago, and until the 80s when science budgets were beginning to be attacked [thank goodness for Al Gore's support of legislation to fund the Internet], understood that technological superiority and innovation are not proprietary. Supporting techology and scientific research benefits both businesses and the people. It can't be done without public-private partnerships. Public investment is good for all of us. Megacorps are only bearing the difference in cost between their budgeted investment and the funding from the government through tax breaks and grants. The US has fallen behind by a lot. Land area and population aren't relevant. Determination, investment and a serious plan for economic advancement are. Betty The megacorp is bearing the cost. We expect ROI. That is basic capitalism. We know the government isn't going to help us do this. We are doing this on our own. That is how America is supposed to work. Sounds like a viable business plan to me. I hope Verizon is successful and wildly reaps the benefits of their very substantial investment. Unfortunately, for too many of our friends, qualities such as risk and reward, investment and a return on it, are a distant second to gimmee, gimmee, gimmee, as if high-speed internet access is a national birthright. Most of the municipal wi-fi systems around the country, that were supposed to be oh-so-cheap to implement and have people fighting to get in line to get it, are languishing from low-ball cost projections, over-optimistic revenue estimates, low enrollment, mismanagement, idiotic partnerships, poor engineering and plain old city guvmint corruption. By any reasonable standard, these projects are abject failures. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] What we actually get for our money...
Better numbers but still pathetic considering what we were promised and what the telcos were given. This blog..is it counting as FIOS being available the same way the government used to count broadband availability? If FIOS is in one house in a zip code then the whole zip code has it even though it might not be available to all? Qwest counts me as having fiber available until I actually make the call and suddenly it's not. Either way, I think it can be agreed that the telcos, all of them, have not even come close to delivering what we paid for. That's the rub, they've been paid. And no I'm not blaming your personally for the woes :p Mike On Sat, Aug 16, 2008 at 5:35 PM, Eric S. Sande [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This article states the telcos, including verizon promised over 80 million households would have fiber, it looks like we are sitting at under 4 million at this time. I'm not sure you're looking at current numbers, the article was over two years old. Try this: http://telcotv-view.blogspot.com/2008/07/verizon-fios-tv-growth-slows-in-2q08.html * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] What we actually get for our money...
And no I'm not blaming your personally for the woes :p Thanks, Mike, I appreciate that. But I'm not agreeing by silence that anything was paid for or not. I don't move in those circles. I actually am politically not even close to connected with what's up with that, and I certainly don't speak for Verizon. You'll have to ask our public relations department about that, but they won't be able to say anything about Qwest. I'm in this strictly because I know how this technology works and what it takes to deploy it over a large footprint. I'm not an engineer by training but I am by necessity. As a telco manager I have to produce results in the context of the personnel and technology at my disposal. I know there are a lot of frustrated prople out there who want my products. I know I can't deliver as fast as they want me to. But I'm trying, Mike, I'm really trying. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] iPod - Zune
Tom, How can I find out what if any of my iTunes songs can be upgraded to higher-bit-rate and non-DRM? Steve Tom Piwowar wrote: My daughter's iPod croaked and she wants to replace it with a Zune. The only problem is her enormous iTunes library. I don't know anything about iTunes (other than that the Windows version crashes constantly). Can she Zune her tunes, or are they locked in the iTunes library forever? If her iTunes library is mostly ripped from CDs or stolen MP3s from P2P nets then the files can just be copied over. If the tunes are iTunes DRM-protected files, she should check if they can be upgraded to higher-bit-rate and non-DRM. Apple charges 30¢ per tune for the upgrade. This is only available for tunes so authorized by the music cartels. But isn't this a case of one mistake begetting another? If your iTunes software is crashing it means your PC is misconfigured. Why not fix that? Replacing an iPod with a Zune is a cruel joke. Are you one of those parents who believes in the educational value of failure? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] is it RAID?
I think we should scale this back to the parameters of the original question: given a limited budget and the need to protect about 1TB, which of these technologies make sense? I woule go for DVDs *and* an external hard drive, but no RAID. RAID vs. single drive boils down to the following formula: RAID: Multiple points of failure, with fault-tolerance for drive components. How much depends on the array. Single drive: 2 points of failure: the drive controller and the drive. No fault-tolerance. Not to beat a dead horse, but I've had too numerous to remember drive failures, one RAID controller failure and multiple non-RAID motherboard failures, which effectively kills the drive controller, since nearly all are integrated. RAID is a no-brainer for me; my business depends upon the low cost high-availability it gives me. Redundant fail-over servers would be very, very nice, but it breaks the bank. RAID will be around for a very long time to come. Reports of its death are greatly exaggerated. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] What we actually get for our money...
The Internet and broadband both are the result of many years of our government investing in science/technology RD... Thank Bell Labs. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] What we actually get for our money...
Here here, I think they are now owned by Alcatel. Stewart At 10:08 PM 8/16/2008, you wrote: The Internet and broadband both are the result of many years of our government investing in science/technology RD... Thank Bell Labs. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] What we actually get for our money...
Here here, I think they are now owned by Alcatel. I think it should be Hear, Hear but I'm not the spelling police. Yeah, they're part of Alcatel-Lucent now. Thereby hangs a tale, when the Bell System was broken up the equipment and RD divisions got split off from the Baby Bells. This is complicated and convoluted even to those of us who were in telecom over the entire period. Basically those left standing as of right now are ATT, Qwest and Verizon as far as local providers. Alcatel-Lucent owns Bell Labs and what was Western Electric (Now Lucent). Nortel (Canadian) and Siemens (German) are also providers of choice as far as central office switches. Edge equipment in Verizon at least comes mostly from Alcatel-Lucent, Cisco, Canoga Perkins, and Westell. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
