[CGUYS] XP Pro installation update
I went to Google and, started doing a search with the keywords, 'Windows wont install'. While I was perusing the results, I came upon one, that talked about cleaning the disc so, I took out my CD disc cleaner and, tried that. Then I booted the computer with the disc and, F6 for the external drivers since it was no longer recognizing my AHA-39320 with extra help. I put in a floppy disk I had created by downloading the drivers. Well, It recognized the AHA-39320 but, it didn't recognize the drives connected to the AHA-39320. When I go through the SCSI utility software, it has no problem seeing the drives. I could even 'start' to setup a RAID if I wanted to, using RAID-0 or, RAID-1. Any ideas? Christopher * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive from 1/1/2000 is on the MARC http://marc.info/?l=computerguys-l * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] XP Pro installation update
Since you asked specifically for *any ideas*... Forget it. Get a cheap ATA drive and use it for the boot drive. You'd have been finished with it a week ago. On Feb 6, 2008 12:17 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Any ideas? * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive from 1/1/2000 is on the MARC http://marc.info/?l=computerguys-l * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] XP Pro installation update
Tony, I won't do that but, I seriously appreciate the chuckle it gave me. I really appreciate that. Thank you. Christopher -- Original message -- From: Tony B [EMAIL PROTECTED] Since you asked specifically for *any ideas*... Forget it. Get a cheap ATA drive and use it for the boot drive. You'd have been finished with it a week ago. * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive from 1/1/2000 is on the MARC http://marc.info/?l=computerguys-l * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] AVG Trojan Detected?
After looking into it, I see that AVG uses virus signatures as well as Heuristic Analysis. All definitions are up to date and have been updated daily and scans done daily since computer was new. Richard P. Mike Sloane wrote: To my knowledge, Panda is heuristic, but AVG depends on daily downloads of specific virus signatures. If your AVG definitions are out of date, it will not detect a brand new offender, whereas Panda's design (claims to) detect viruses by their behavior. Mike This morning, AVG scan found what it says is a trojan horse downloader. When I asked for more details, it said it didn't exist in its database. I went ahead and healed it but wonder what it is and whether or not it is a false positive. * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive from 1/1/2000 is on the MARC http://marc.info/?l=computerguys-l * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] XP Pro installation update
That is how it is set. The 'Primary Master', 'Primary Slave', along with the 'Secondary Slave' are set to 'NONE', in the BIOS. The 'Secondary Master' notes the IDE CD-R/W. Christopher -- Original message -- From: Rev. Stewart Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] What is the BIOS set to? In the old days you had to turn the BIOS for the HD's to show no disk. So it would look for the HD on the SCSI controller. Stewart * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive from 1/1/2000 is on the MARC http://marc.info/?l=computerguys-l * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] XP Pro installation update
Won't? why? Mike On Feb 6, 2008 11:02 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tony, I won't do that but, I seriously appreciate the chuckle it gave me. I really appreciate that. Thank you. Christopher -- Original message -- From: Tony B [EMAIL PROTECTED] Since you asked specifically for *any ideas*... Forget it. Get a cheap ATA drive and use it for the boot drive. You'd have been finished with it a week ago. * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive from 1/1/2000 is on the MARC http://marc.info/?l=computerguys-l * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive from 1/1/2000 is on the MARC http://marc.info/?l=computerguys-l * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] XP Pro installation update
Actually the controller will show up in the BIOS, then the HD's should show up in the BIOS of the controllerat least that's how it is on mine. Mike On Feb 6, 2008 10:33 AM, Rev. Stewart Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What is the BIOS set to? In the old days you had to turn the BIOS for the HD's to show no disk. So it would look for the HD on the SCSI controller. Stewart At 11:17 AM 2/6/2008, you wrote: I went to Google and, started doing a search with the keywords, 'Windows wont install'. While I was perusing the results, I came upon one, that talked about cleaning the disc so, I took out my CD disc cleaner and, tried that. Then I booted the computer with the disc and, F6 for the external drivers since it was no longer recognizing my AHA-39320 with extra help. I put in a floppy disk I had created by downloading the drivers. Well, It recognized the AHA-39320 but, it didn't recognize the drives connected to the AHA-39320. When I go through the SCSI utility software, it has no problem seeing the drives. I could even 'start' to setup a RAID if I wanted to, using RAID-0 or, RAID-1. Any ideas? Christopher * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive from 1/1/2000 is on the MARC http://marc.info/?l=computerguys-l * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive from 1/1/2000 is on the MARC http://marc.info/?l=computerguys-l * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive from 1/1/2000 is on the MARC http://marc.info/?l=computerguys-l * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
[CGUYS] Router or Airport?
Hey Mac people, I need to get a new router. Does anyone have experience with whether or not the latest Apple Airport Extreme Base Station has anything to offer that another good router does not? Or can anyone recommend one of these n routers? I've had 1 pretty much bullet proof Netgear and 1 really flaky Netgear. They have a good reputation but... Thanks, Jordan * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive from 1/1/2000 is on the MARC http://marc.info/?l=computerguys-l * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
[CGUYS] How stable is Excel?
For nine years, I've been working with two FileMaker Pro databases that keep track of several thousand documents (including titles, descriptions, categories, authors, etc.). They've been virtually crash-proof and easy to modify. There are nearly 5,000 records (on separate pages) in these databases. Now, several people at work-one of whom is my boss-want to replace all this with an excel spreadsheet. One co-worker is especially vehement about this: he isn't really my boss, but he's powerful in the organization, and he's the type of person who's always right. I protested that an excel spreadsheet this size would not be stable (even if half the records were weeded out as being no longer necessary). Would an excel spreadsheet this size be stable or usable? Has anyone else had experience with databases of this size? And does anyone else have any talking points on why it's a bad idea to replace a perfectly reliable, crash-proof database with an Excel spreadsheet? --Constance Warner * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive from 1/1/2000 is on the MARC http://marc.info/?l=computerguys-l * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Router or Airport?
It has a really easy to use and well designed interface for configuration and security. Easy to lock down, easy to open up temporarily if the need arises. I think it was worth it for my mostly Mac household. It is my 4th wireless router, first Apple one. Matthew On Feb 6, 2008, at 3:08 PM, Jordan wrote: Hey Mac people, I need to get a new router. Does anyone have experience with whether or not the latest Apple Airport Extreme Base Station has anything to offer that another good router does not? Or can anyone recommend one of these n routers? I've had 1 pretty much bullet proof Netgear and 1 really flaky Netgear. They have a good reputation but... Thanks, Jordan * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive from 1/1/2000 is on the MARC http://marc.info/?l=computerguys-l * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] How stable is Excel?
You can access / modify the DB one record at a time vs. all or nothing with a spreadsheet. You can create much more useful / easy queries with the DB than with a spreadsheet. Because if they really are that stupid you won't still be working there to help them out, having fled to a better, more sane workplace? ;^) Hope this helps, and that reason three is an option for you. On Feb 6, 2008, at 3:13 PM, Constance Warner wrote: And does anyone else have any talking points on why it's a bad idea to replace a perfectly reliable, crash-proof database with an Excel spreadsheet? * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive from 1/1/2000 is on the MARC http://marc.info/?l=computerguys-l * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] XP Pro installation update
OK -- RAID. I have a Dell with SATA drive controllers. In the motherboard BIOS setup the controller operation (collectively) can be set to RAID = ON or RAID/ATA autodetect. In order to install WinXP on a single drive using a generic version of WinXP, one must put that setting to RAID/ATA autodetect. With RAID = ON, and a system installed, it will boot/work ok. Also with RAID = ON, the Dell-supplied installer will install. (but the Dell-provided installer is XP-Home and I wanted XP-Pro) The factory default is RAID = ON, and the help in the BIOS setup discourages one from changing it without good reason. Finding out this good reason was non-trivial. Perhaps some similar setting is the problem with your Adaptec controller? Fred Holmes At 12:17 PM 2/6/2008, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I went to Google and, started doing a search with the keywords, 'Windows wont install'. While I was perusing the results, I came upon one, that talked about cleaning the disc so, I took out my CD disc cleaner and, tried that. Then I booted the computer with the disc and, F6 for the external drivers since it was no longer recognizing my AHA-39320 with extra help. I put in a floppy disk I had created by downloading the drivers. Well, It recognized the AHA-39320 but, it didn't recognize the drives connected to the AHA-39320. When I go through the SCSI utility software, it has no problem seeing the drives. I could even 'start' to setup a RAID if I wanted to, using RAID-0 or, RAID-1. Any ideas? Christopher * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive from 1/1/2000 is on the MARC http://marc.info/?l=computerguys-l * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] How stable is Excel?
Not everyone is willing to learn how to drive a stick shift. Fred Holmes At 03:44 PM 2/6/2008, Matthew Taylor wrote: You can access / modify the DB one record at a time vs. all or nothing with a spreadsheet. You can create much more useful / easy queries with the DB than with a spreadsheet. Because if they really are that stupid you won't still be working there to help them out, having fled to a better, more sane workplace? ;^) Hope this helps, and that reason three is an option for you. On Feb 6, 2008, at 3:13 PM, Constance Warner wrote: And does anyone else have any talking points on why it's a bad idea to replace a perfectly reliable, crash-proof database with an Excel spreadsheet? * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive from 1/1/2000 is on the MARC http://marc.info/?l=computerguys-l * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Router or Airport?
Thanks, Are you aware of this little software update for Intel Macs? http://tinyurl.com/2r3e2l * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive from 1/1/2000 is on the MARC http://marc.info/?l=computerguys-l * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Router or Airport?
Yes. As I recall though N degrades to G if any non-N systems connect to it. On Feb 6, 2008, at 4:17 PM, Jordan wrote: Thanks, Are you aware of this little software update for Intel Macs? http://tinyurl.com/2r3e2l * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive from 1/1/2000 is on the MARC http://marc.info/?l=computerguys-l * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] How stable is Excel?
But everyone who might someday need to drive one in an emergency should know how. To further beat the analogy into the ground, if you can't drive a stick shift, you can't play with the really fun toys. Back to the subject, how is keeping a database IN a database driving a stick shift? On Feb 6, 2008, at 4:13 PM, Fred Holmes wrote: Not everyone is willing to learn how to drive a stick shift. Fred Holmes At 03:44 PM 2/6/2008, Matthew Taylor wrote: You can access / modify the DB one record at a time vs. all or nothing with a spreadsheet. You can create much more useful / easy queries with the DB than with a spreadsheet. Because if they really are that stupid you won't still be working there to help them out, having fled to a better, more sane workplace? ;^) Hope this helps, and that reason three is an option for you. On Feb 6, 2008, at 3:13 PM, Constance Warner wrote: And does anyone else have any talking points on why it's a bad idea to replace a perfectly reliable, crash-proof database with an Excel spreadsheet? * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive from 1/1/2000 is on the MARC http://marc.info/?l=computerguys-l * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] How stable is Excel?
Many thanks for the talking points! And as for #3-- Because if they really are that stupid you won't still be working there to help them out, having fled to a better, more sane workplace? ;^) That one struck a chord! Actually, I AM looking for a better, more sane workplace, if anyone knows of one that's looking. --Constance on behalf of; Matthew Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can access / modify the DB one record at a time vs. all or nothing with a spreadsheet. You can create much more useful / easy queries with the DB than with a spreadsheet. Because if they really are that stupid you won't still be working there to help them out, having fled to a better, more sane workplace? ;^) Hope this helps, and that reason three is an option for you. On Feb 6, 2008, at 3:13 PM, Constance Warner wrote: And does anyone else have any talking points on why it's a bad idea to replace a perfectly reliable, crash-proof database with an Excel spreadsheet? * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive from 1/1/2000 is on the MARC http://marc.info/?l=computerguys-l * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive from 1/1/2000 is on the MARC http://marc.info/?l=computerguys-l * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] How stable is Excel?
FileMaker does allow you to export into Excel--I tried it just now to make sure it worked. The one advantage of Excel--that everybody has it--isn't so important in this case. I would be the only one working with the files, because my co-workers don't want to do any of the grunt work--classification of documents, putting the information in a database format, and getting the documents ready to be posted online. (Considering the damage that has been done to my department in the past by people who didn't know what they were doing, it's probably just as well that nobody else will be working on the Excel files.) I have had training in Excel but haven't worked with it much. I would have to find an Excel guru to customize the records for me; not that I mind learning more about apps--it's often the one bright spot of my job. But they want the project done YESTERDAY--no time to learn a bunch of new stuff. Still, it's nice to know that some improvements could be made if I HAD to use Excel instead of a real database. --Constance Dr. Constance Warner PRIMA Information Services 703-253-1271 Fax: 703-739-0200 PRIMA's Information Services provides samples of various materials from public entity risk management programs. The material provided is offered for informational purposes only and does not necessarily reflect the views of the Association. The material is not intended as a model, and its distribution does not constitute a PRIMA endorsement of the material. As a matter of ordinary prudence, one should always take anti-virus precautions on all incoming documents from any source. -Original Message- From: Computer Guys Announcements and Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Fred Holmes Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 3:57 PM To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] How stable is Excel? Does Filemaker Pro allow for 1) exporting the database to Excel, and 2) updating the database from Excel? A good one certainly would. Do the others just read your database, or do they post to it as well? I would think that Excel would do just fine, although I haven't used one that large. (I'm working on getting there.) The real advantage of Excel, that I have found, is that a lot of people have it on their machine and know how to use it, while most people never or seldom use a database, and struggle with its interface if they want to do anything more than eyeball it. However, the search/filter function of a real database is far superior to that which is built into Excel -- do you need to do searches that only a good database search/filter engine can do? One can build a userform in Excel that will present each record on multiple lines so that an entire record is readily readable without any scrolling. It emulates the Access interface. Stability should be mostly dependent upon how much RAM and swap file space you have in the machines that are running the spreadsheet. Fred Holmes ** * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive from 1/1/2000 is on the MARC http://marc.info/?l=computerguys-l * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Router or Airport?
Yes, so I've heard. The Macs we use most of the time are Intel Macs so it should not be an Issue. I'm not sure we'd notice a higher speed. But the greater range would be nice! Matthew Taylor wrote: Yes. As I recall though N degrades to G if any non-N systems connect to it. * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive from 1/1/2000 is on the MARC http://marc.info/?l=computerguys-l * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] How stable is Excel?
At 04:37 PM 2/6/2008, Matthew Taylor wrote: Back to the subject, how is keeping a database IN a database driving a stick shift? The database interface is more difficult to set up and use, although I guess the wizards should be pretty good by now. spreadsheet column headings for the fields and just typing stuff into cells is pretty intuitive. If it's a flat file database, a spreadsheet that works is just as good as a real database. * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive from 1/1/2000 is on the MARC http://marc.info/?l=computerguys-l * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Router or Airport?
Try a G MIMO router. I just swapped out our Dlink router (G) that had a very so so signal all throughout the building (round building many walls at angles) and replaced it with a Belkin G MIMO router (the routers were all donations so lets not get into a brand war) and the difference in reception was fantastic. Where I had so-so to no reception before I have excellent now. Stewart At 03:58 PM 2/6/2008, you wrote: Yes, so I've heard. The Macs we use most of the time are Intel Macs so it should not be an Issue. I'm not sure we'd notice a higher speed. But the greater range would be nice! Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive from 1/1/2000 is on the MARC http://marc.info/?l=computerguys-l * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] How stable is Excel?
Is this about the database for the Online Buyers Guide that I find on the PRIMA web site (http://www.primacentral.org/), but which is accessible to members only? Or is it something that is for internal use only? Fred Holmes * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive from 1/1/2000 is on the MARC http://marc.info/?l=computerguys-l * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Router or Airport?
Thanks, It's better range that appeals to me. There is a brick wall within the house that I'm hoping to get WiFi through. I know there are a few options for me. A removable antenna might work because I could have the router box where I could plug ethernet cable in, and locate the antenna where it would get enough signal into the brick part of the house. I guess we still have to be nervous about the fact that the spec for N has not been decided. Is anyone up on that? Is there any chance that when the spec settles down, adjustments can be made to an N router with software? Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote: Try a G MIMO router. I just swapped out our Dlink router (G) that had a very so so signal all throughout the building (round building many walls at angles) and replaced it with a Belkin G MIMO router (the routers were all donations so lets not get into a brand war) and the difference in reception was fantastic. Where I had so-so to no reception before I have excellent now. * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive from 1/1/2000 is on the MARC http://marc.info/?l=computerguys-l * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] How stable is Excel?
The Public Risk Management Association wants to use Excel as a database? Makes you want to say, Hmmm... g cb On Feb 6, 2008, at 3:13 PM, Constance Warner wrote: And does anyone else have any talking points on why it's a bad idea to replace a perfectly reliable, crash-proof database with an Excel spreadsheet? * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive from 1/1/2000 is on the MARC http://marc.info/?l=computerguys-l * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] How stable is Excel?
So what is the format that the web site manager/developer/webmaster would like to see the database be in? It's best to make it whatever he/she (thinks it) needs. Fred Holmes At 05:58 PM 2/6/2008, Constance Warner wrote: It's actually about something that isn't yet available for online use, but which is supposed to be available on April 1. It's going to be an online version of a risk management document library, now called PRIMAfacts. (You can see a description of it under the Publications and Resources tab. --Constance Dr. Constance Warner PRIMA Information Services 703-253-1271 Fax: 703-739-0200 PRIMA's Information Services provides samples of various materials from public entity risk management programs. The material provided is offered for informational purposes only and does not necessarily reflect the views of the Association. The material is not intended as a model, and its distribution does not constitute a PRIMA endorsement of the material. As a matter of ordinary prudence, one should always take anti-virus precautions on all incoming documents from any source. -Original Message- From: Fred Holmes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 5:48 PM To: Computer Guys Announcements and Discussion List Cc: Constance Warner Subject: Re: [CGUYS] How stable is Excel? Is this about the database for the Online Buyers Guide that I find on the PRIMA web site (http://www.primacentral.org/), but which is accessible to members only? Or is it something that is for internal use only? Fred Holmes * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive from 1/1/2000 is on the MARC http://marc.info/?l=computerguys-l * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] XP Pro installation update
Fred, At first, I would agree with you 100%. The only part that, doesn't quite make it 100%, is that, I had this problem before I decided to set it up as a RAID. I have repeatedly gone into the computer BIOS(not the Adaptec BIOS) to find the option that would allow(or disallow) XP to see the SCSI HD's. I am stumped about, what option is controlling XP from seeing the SCSI HD's because, I know the AHA-39320 is properly set. What that comes down to is, what is the option in the BIOS that will allow the drives to be seen? The only IDE drive I have is, the CD-R/W that is the 'Secondary Master'. Christopher -- Original message -- From: Fred Holmes [EMAIL PROTECTED] OK -- RAID. I have a Dell with SATA drive controllers. In the motherboard BIOS setup the controller operation (collectively) can be set to RAID = ON or RAID/ATA autodetect. In order to install WinXP on a single drive using a generic version of WinXP, one must put that setting to RAID/ATA autodetect. With RAID = ON, and a system installed, it will boot/work ok. Also with RAID = ON, the Dell-supplied installer will install. (but the Dell-provided installer is XP-Home and I wanted XP-Pro) The factory default is RAID = ON, and the help in the BIOS setup discourages one from changing it without good reason. Finding out this good reason was non-trivial. Perhaps some similar setting is the problem with your Adaptec controller? Fred Holmes At 12:17 PM 2/6/2008, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I went to Google and, started doing a search with the keywords, 'Windows wont install'. While I was perusing the results, I came upon one, that talked about cleaning the disc so, I took out my CD disc cleaner and, tried that. Then I booted the computer with the disc and, F6 for the external drivers since it was no longer recognizing my AHA-39320 with extra help. I put in a floppy disk I had created by downloading the drivers. Well, It recognized the AHA-39320 but, it didn't recognize the drives connected to the AHA-39320. When I go through the SCSI utility software, it has no problem seeing the drives. I could even 'start' to setup a RAID if I wanted to, using RAID-0 or, RAID-1. Any ideas? Christopher * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive from 1/1/2000 is on the MARC http://marc.info/?l=computerguys-l * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive from 1/1/2000 is on the MARC http://marc.info/?l=computerguys-l * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] How stable is Excel?
For nine years, I've been working with two FileMaker Pro databases that keep track of several thousand documents (including titles, descriptions, categories, authors, etc.). They've been virtually crash-proof and easy to modify. There are nearly 5,000 records (on separate pages) in these databases. You did not state whether these files were related or just two flat files. If what you have is a relational database then moving it to Excel is a very bad idea. Do your FMP databases do much data validation? This is harder to implement this in Excel and you will be much more likely to have bad data creeping into your database. You did not mention how many fields each record has and how the user relates to the information. Is it important to see the contents of many fields at a glance or is it okay to string them out into long rows. Are they prepared to put in the labor to create forms? The basic Excel forms are a bad joke. If they need forms of any complexity MS will quickly suck them into Access. So you will be back in a database. Only difference is that instead of using a good database you will be using a terrible database. You did not mention if you have any large text fields. Excel limits fields to 255 characters, FMP's limit is 65,000. Do you need to do heavy data analysis on the data in the databases? Excel does this better with its graphing and pivot tables. Would an excel spreadsheet this size be stable or usable? Has anyone else had experience with databases of this size? 5,000 is not a big number unless there are many fields per record. I have made Excel spreadsheets with close to 65,000 rows and almost 200 columns. Excel was very slow and unstable during data import, but afterwards settled down and worked just fine. And does anyone else have any talking points on why it's a bad idea to replace a perfectly reliable, crash-proof database with an Excel spreadsheet? Ultimately the choice depends on how the data is to be used. If is just a big table with a few columns then Excel will do fine. If there are many fields per record they may soon find themselves hamstrung. They may find that information that is easy to view with a database query will take more work to extract in a spreadsheet. -- Thomas Piwowar - Thomas J. Piwowar Associates, Inc. electronic publishing training and consulting 1710 Rhode Island Ave NW - Washington DC - 20036 V:202-223-6813 - Fx:202-223-5059 - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - www.tjpa.com -- * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive from 1/1/2000 is on the MARC http://marc.info/?l=computerguys-l * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Internet Shopping Efficiency [Was: Gates as Robin H
You succeeded in making me both nostalgic and home sick all at once. Apparently you can still meet under the Eagle but it is a Macy's now. I hope the Warthog is still there. Does Macy's have somebody playing the organ? * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive from 1/1/2000 is on the MARC http://marc.info/?l=computerguys-l * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Open source Project Management software?
If you want to print out the whole timeline... what do you do? ... print it out on multiple pages and tape it together or do you send it to an output shop for large paper printing? By the time you get it back from an output shop the timeline will probably have changed several times. My printer does 11x17 so landscape is usually plenty good enough. Otherwise I guess tape works fine enough. I usually use a bulletin board and thumb tacks so I don't need tape. * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive from 1/1/2000 is on the MARC http://marc.info/?l=computerguys-l * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] XP Pro installation update
In my SATA case, the hard drive interfaces were on the motherboard, and the settings were in the motherboard BIOS setup. If in your case the hard drive interfaces are on an expansion card (AHA), then the appropriate settings (for detecting the drive and establishing its interface) should be in the BIOS setup of the expansion card/host adapter. Fred Holmes At 07:41 PM 2/6/2008, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Fred, At first, I would agree with you 100%. The only part that, doesn't quite make it 100%, is that, I had this problem before I decided to set it up as a RAID. I have repeatedly gone into the computer BIOS(not the Adaptec BIOS) to find the option that would allow(or disallow) XP to see the SCSI HD's. I am stumped about, what option is controlling XP from seeing the SCSI HD's because, I know the AHA-39320 is properly set. What that comes down to is, what is the option in the BIOS that will allow the drives to be seen? The only IDE drive I have is, the CD-R/W that is the 'Secondary Master'. Christopher -- Original message -- From: Fred Holmes [EMAIL PROTECTED] OK -- RAID. I have a Dell with SATA drive controllers. In the motherboard BIOS setup the controller operation (collectively) can be set to RAID = ON or RAID/ATA autodetect. In order to install WinXP on a single drive using a generic version of WinXP, one must put that setting to RAID/ATA autodetect. With RAID = ON, and a system installed, it will boot/work ok. Also with RAID = ON, the Dell-supplied installer will install. (but the Dell-provided installer is XP-Home and I wanted XP-Pro) The factory default is RAID = ON, and the help in the BIOS setup discourages one from changing it without good reason. Finding out this good reason was non-trivial. Perhaps some similar setting is the problem with your Adaptec controller? Fred Holmes At 12:17 PM 2/6/2008, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I went to Google and, started doing a search with the keywords, 'Windows wont install'. While I was perusing the results, I came upon one, that talked about cleaning the disc so, I took out my CD disc cleaner and, tried that. Then I booted the computer with the disc and, F6 for the external drivers since it was no longer recognizing my AHA-39320 with extra help. I put in a floppy disk I had created by downloading the drivers. Well, It recognized the AHA-39320 but, it didn't recognize the drives connected to the AHA-39320. When I go through the SCSI utility software, it has no problem seeing the drives. I could even 'start' to setup a RAID if I wanted to, using RAID-0 or, RAID-1. Any ideas? Christopher * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive from 1/1/2000 is on the MARC http://marc.info/?l=computerguys-l * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
[CGUYS] Cleaning up uninstalled software
I'm in the process of cleaning up unused programs from my computer, many of which have been preloaded by the manufacturer but have never been installed. Because they aren't installed, they don't show up in the Add/Remove Software window. For instance, I don't want to have to install Norton Antivirus in order to delete it. FYI, Norton shows up in the D drive which is the protected restore files are. I'd rather not allow it to get it embedded inside the computer that it already is. Is there a way to delete programs which haven't been installed? Windows XP, SP2 Thanks in advance, Richard P. * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive from 1/1/2000 is on the MARC http://marc.info/?l=computerguys-l * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Cleaning up uninstalled software
It all depends, on how they have the restore functions et. Many of them have a drive image on the restore portion that simply writes a new image of the already installed system. Others like Dell give you a full fledged install disc. You then pick and choose. Stewart At 08:43 PM 2/6/2008, you wrote: I'm in the process of cleaning up unused programs from my computer, many of which have been preloaded by the manufacturer but have never been installed. Because they aren't installed, they don't show up in the Add/Remove Software window. For instance, I don't want to have to install Norton Antivirus in order to delete it. FYI, Norton shows up in the D drive which is the protected restore files are. I'd rather not allow it to get it embedded inside the computer that it already is. Is there a way to delete programs which haven't been installed? Windows XP, SP2 Thanks in advance, Richard P. Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Prince of Peace Ozark, AL SL 82 * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive from 1/1/2000 is on the MARC http://marc.info/?l=computerguys-l * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Cleaning up uninstalled software
Right click the folder and select DELETE. Take a drink of coffee...repeat on next file/folder. Mike btw, if you are going to want to use that restore section, I'd not mess with it. The only real reason to delete these files is if you need the HD space. On Feb 6, 2008 7:43 PM, Richard P. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm in the process of cleaning up unused programs from my computer, many of which have been preloaded by the manufacturer but have never been installed. Because they aren't installed, they don't show up in the Add/Remove Software window. For instance, I don't want to have to install Norton Antivirus in order to delete it. FYI, Norton shows up in the D drive which is the protected restore files are. I'd rather not allow it to get it embedded inside the computer that it already is. Is there a way to delete programs which haven't been installed? Windows XP, SP2 Thanks in advance, Richard P. * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive from 1/1/2000 is on the MARC http://marc.info/?l=computerguys-l * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive from 1/1/2000 is on the MARC http://marc.info/?l=computerguys-l * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
