Re: [CGUYS] Nat Geo Classroom
No, Tom. Any supervisor worth their salt knows that could isn't used in orders. It tends to confuse the people. Sorry, I guess it is time to retire that email shortcut macro. That's twice in recent weeks that you know more about my business than you should. And no, could will suffice. A boss that needs to give people orders either has an ego problem or a staff that is not behind them. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Nat Geo Classroom
Call me crazy, but none of those steps seem like a good hardware repair regimen. And, I draw the line at seat de-linting. This, Jeff, gets to the crux of our differences. I treat computer users very differently than you do. If I'm fixing a computer and notice that the mouse needs repair or the keyboard is full of junk I fix that too. It only takes a moment and makes a big difference for the computer user. I don't buy into that whole Windows thing that computers should look cheap and crappy. When you do that you are sending a message to the computer user that their work is not valued. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Nat Geo Classroom
Tom that cuts across user base. It has more to do with unacceptable low standards of customer service than anything else. When I was doing repairs etc. I always did way more than I billed for. Better to be complete, than cheap. However in all sorts of customer service venues the concept of keep it cheap reigns. I was just reading an article yesterday where insurance companies are no longer going to pay for hospital goofs. Can you imagine that Hospitals expected your and my insurance to cover them for their mistakes Stewart At 08:25 AM 3/10/2008, you wrote: This, Jeff, gets to the crux of our differences. I treat computer users very differently than you do. If I'm fixing a computer and notice that the mouse needs repair or the keyboard is full of junk I fix that too. It only takes a moment and makes a big difference for the computer user. I don't buy into that whole Windows thing that computers should look cheap and crappy. When you do that you are sending a message to the computer user that their work is not valued. Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Prince of Peace Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Nat Geo Classroom
I'm sure when your users sit down to their freshly de-linted seat and their ass slides effortlessly across it, your face is the first thing that comes to mind. Seriously Thomas, it was a throw-away line. Next you'll reading my palm and telling my why I have DNS issues. -Original Message- This, Jeff, gets to the crux of our differences. I treat computer users very differently than you do. If I'm fixing a computer and notice that the mouse needs repair or the keyboard is full of junk I fix that too. It only takes a moment and makes a big difference for the computer user. I don't buy into that whole Windows thing that computers should look cheap and crappy. When you do that you are sending a message to the computer user that their work is not valued. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Nat Geo Classroom
I'm sure when your users sit down to their freshly de-linted seat and their ass slides effortlessly across it, your face is the first thing that comes to mind. My mental image of your work environment is as described by Dante Alighieri. What's wrong with having a good work environment? Do your overseers refuse to pay for it? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Nat Geo Classroom
Boy, you Apple fanboys sure can take a funny comment seriously. -Original Message- From: Computer Guys Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom Piwowar Sent: Monday, March 10, 2008 5:15 PM To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Nat Geo Classroom I'm sure when your users sit down to their freshly de-linted seat and their ass slides effortlessly across it, your face is the first thing that comes to mind. My mental image of your work environment is as described by Dante Alighieri. What's wrong with having a good work environment? Do your overseers refuse to pay for it? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] Web Politicking
I just noticed a small Obama 08 badge in the corner of the home page at whatismyip.org. I have not seen such politicking on non-political web sites before. Have others noticed such? Where? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Web Politicking
FWIW, I don't see anything but my IP at that url. On Mon, Mar 10, 2008 at 6:21 PM, Tom Piwowar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just noticed a small Obama 08 badge in the corner of the home page at whatismyip.org. I have not seen such politicking on non-political web sites before. Have others noticed such? Where? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Web Politicking
On Mon, 10 Mar 2008, Tom Piwowar wrote: I just noticed a small Obama 08 badge in the corner of the home page at whatismyip.org. I have not seen such politicking on non-political web sites before. Have others noticed such? Where? I don't see it. However, I have heard that some ISPs have begun intercepting web pages and inserting their own ads (I think it was some ISP in Canada... Rogers?)... Could that be what you're running into? Does anyone else see this ad? -- Vicky Staubly http://www.steeds.com/vicky/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Web Politicking
FWIW, I don't see anything but my IP at that url. Very interesting. When I access whatismyip.org using FireFox (Win) I get a white page with just my IP listed. Show source shows no HTML, just the IP number. When I access whatismyip.org using FireFox (Mac) I get a colorful page with my IP in big type, a What's New blog, a sidebar full of other services, and another sidebar full of Google ads. Is this Mac politicking? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Web Politicking
On Mon, 10 Mar 2008, Tom Piwowar wrote: FWIW, I don't see anything but my IP at that url. Very interesting. When I access whatismyip.org using FireFox (Win) I get a white page with just my IP listed. Show source shows no HTML, just the IP number. When I access whatismyip.org using FireFox (Mac) I get a colorful page with my IP in big type, a What's New blog, a sidebar full of other services, and another sidebar full of Google ads. Is this Mac politicking? And Firefox on Linux gets the same thing you list for Firefox/Win. -- Vicky Staubly http://www.steeds.com/vicky/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Web Politicking
Hmmm I got a big white page with my IP in the upper left corner in both Firefox and Safari on my iMac. On Mon, Mar 10, 2008 at 7:33 PM, Tom Piwowar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: FWIW, I don't see anything but my IP at that url. Very interesting. When I access whatismyip.org using FireFox (Win) I get a white page with just my IP listed. Show source shows no HTML, just the IP number. When I access whatismyip.org using FireFox (Mac) I get a colorful page with my IP in big type, a What's New blog, a sidebar full of other services, and another sidebar full of Google ads. Is this Mac politicking? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * -- John Duncan Yoyo ---o) * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Web Politicking
If I let Firefox search for the right address by typing in whatsmyip.org and pressing enter, it comes up with the white screen and ip address as described below. If I type in the complete address: http://whatsmyip.org/ , or type in whatsmyip and Alt-Enter, it comes up with the correct home page. It is an unexpected result, to say the least but I don't know why. Perhaps it magnifies how one needs to be even more careful about what they plug into the address bar. This is the first time I've seen this. Richard P. FWIW, I don't see anything but my IP at that url. Very interesting. When I access whatismyip.org using FireFox (Win) I get a white page with just my IP listed. Show source shows no HTML, just the IP number. When I access whatismyip.org using FireFox (Mac) I get a colorful page with my IP in big type, a What's New blog, a sidebar full of other services, and another sidebar full of Google ads. Is this Mac politicking? And Firefox on Linux gets the same thing you list for Firefox/Win. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Web Politicking
Same with my OSX firefox 2.0.0.11. I can't wait to hear an explanation. Chaels On Mar 10, 2008, at 7:37 PM, Richard P. wrote: If I let Firefox search for the right address by typing in whatsmyip.org and pressing enter, it comes up with the white screen and ip address as described below. If I type in the complete address: http://whatsmyip.org/ , or type in whatsmyip and Alt- Enter, it comes up with the correct home page. It is an unexpected result, to say the least but I don't know why. Perhaps it magnifies how one needs to be even more careful about what they plug into the address bar. This is the first time I've seen this. Richard P. FWIW, I don't see anything but my IP at that url. Very interesting. When I access whatismyip.org using FireFox (Win) I get a white page with just my IP listed. Show source shows no HTML, just the IP number. When I access whatismyip.org using FireFox (Mac) I get a colorful page with my IP in big type, a What's New blog, a sidebar full of other services, and another sidebar full of Google ads. Is this Mac politicking? And Firefox on Linux gets the same thing you list for Firefox/Win. ** *** ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http:// www.cguys.org/ ** ** *** * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Web Politicking
no matter which i do, I get the page with Obama in upper L (aslant) what does Alt-Enter do? Richard P. wrote: If I let Firefox search for the right address by typing in whatsmyip.org and pressing enter, it comes up with the white screen and ip address as described below. If I type in the complete address: http://whatsmyip.org/ , or type in whatsmyip and Alt-Enter, it comes up with the correct home page. It is an unexpected result, to say the least but I don't know why. Perhaps it magnifies how one needs to be even more careful about what they plug into the address bar. This is the first time I've seen this. Richard P. FWIW, I don't see anything but my IP at that url. Very interesting. When I access whatismyip.org using FireFox (Win) I get a white page with just my IP listed. Show source shows no HTML, just the IP number. When I access whatismyip.org using FireFox (Mac) I get a colorful page with my IP in big type, a What's New blog, a sidebar full of other services, and another sidebar full of Google ads. Is this Mac politicking? And Firefox on Linux gets the same thing you list for Firefox/Win. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Web Politicking
On Mar 10, 2008, at 7:33 PM, Tom Piwowar wrote: When I access whatismyip.org using FireFox (Mac) I get a colorful page with my IP in big type, a What's New blog, a sidebar full of other services, and another sidebar full of Google ads. I do not get anything such as you describe except for my IP address on my Mac with either Firefox or Camino. I even tried whatismyip.com with the thought that it may have been them you were speaking of as opposed to whatismyip.org. Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Web Politicking
I just used IE and got everything, including the Obama 08 in the upper left. Stewart At 09:22 PM 3/10/2008, you wrote: no matter which i do, I get the page with Obama in upper L (aslant) what does Alt-Enter do? Richard P. wrote: If I let Firefox search for the right address by typing in whatsmyip.org and pressing enter, it comes up with the white screen and ip address as described below. If I type in the complete address: http://whatsmyip.org/ , or type in whatsmyip and Alt-Enter, it comes up with the correct home page. It is an unexpected result, to say the least but I don't know why. Perhaps it magnifies how one needs to be even more careful about what they plug into the address bar. This is the first time I've seen this. Richard P. Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Prince of Peace Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Investment Tracking Recommendations?
For tracking investments, a spreadsheet and a web query would be as simple and straight forward a tool for your needs that there is. As for researching stocks, you might want to read Beating the Street or Learn to Earn both by Peter Lynch. Those books contain a lot of insight into managing investments. Or you can take the lazy man's approach and invest a set amount at regular intervals in a stock index fund. Does anyone have a favorite program or website for tracking investments? My preference would be for something simple. Need ability to compare how different investments are performing. Also for making what if scenarios for investigating alternative investments. Software that runs on a web site that provides resources for research would be nice. http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Web Politicking
I used Opera and Firefox and got the exact same results. Stewart At 09:22 PM 3/10/2008, you wrote: no matter which i do, I get the page with Obama in upper L (aslant) what does Alt-Enter do? Richard P. wrote: If I let Firefox search for the right address by typing in whatsmyip.org and pressing enter, it comes up with the white screen and ip address as described below. If I type in the complete address: http://whatsmyip.org/ , or type in whatsmyip and Alt-Enter, it comes up with the correct home page. It is an unexpected result, to say the least but I don't know why. Perhaps it magnifies how one needs to be even more careful about what they plug into the address bar. This is the first time I've seen this. Richard P. Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Prince of Peace Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Web Politicking
On Mar 10, 2008, at 8:37 PM, Richard P. wrote: If I let Firefox search for the right address by typing in whatsmyip.org and pressing enter, it comes up with the white screen and ip address as described below. If I type in the complete address: http://whatsmyip.org/ , or type in whatsmyip and Alt- Enter, it comes up with the correct home page. It is an unexpected result, to say the least but I don't know why. Perhaps it magnifies how one needs to be even more careful about what they plug into the address bar. This is the first time I've seen this. Confirmed by myself just a moment ago. I have had a site or two over time that I have not been able to log on to unless I entered the complete URL as opposed to a truncated one that left out the http://; portion. Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Web Politicking
...type in whatsmyip and Alt-Enter, it comes up with the correct home page. It is an unexpected result, to say the least but I don't know why. Confirmed in IE 7. It's there. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Nat Geo Classroom
And no, could will suffice. A boss that needs to give people orders either has an ego problem or a staff that is not behind them. It was merely an observation. I find that requests (I won't say orders, but if you work in a top-down command structure that's what they are) should be couched in unambiguous terms. I will normally say I need you to do X, Y, Z, whatever, Please. And Thank you. Not exactly approved Field Manual style, but it keeps things pleasant and civilized. My staff has my back because they know I have theirs. Most of them have worked with me for many years. I'm talking 20+ years in some cases. I am not about running Ben-Hur's galley. But I avoid the Could you... Would you... style of command. I know they can. They are top professionals in their field and I expect the best. I know they will. They are as motivated as I am to succeed at the task at hand. Which happens to be running a major piece of our critical telecommunications infrastructure. I am guessing that your staff is non-unionized and that you don't normally have to meet Sarbanes-Oxley and TL-9000 audit requirements. Not to mention FCC mandates. My staff and I do, it's a different world. And we keep the boilers running and the engines turning. And we do it every day. 99.9% percent core network reliability. And you want to knock my management style? Could is not a word in my vocabulary. I use what I have to take the objective. The next time you make a phone call or access the internet, you should remember that some old union guys and gals and maybe their old ex-union supervisor are behind that network. And we never said we could, or that we should, we just said we will. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Web Politicking
In Firefox, Alt-Enter automatically adds the http://www. at the beginning and the .org at the end to what ever is in the address bar. In this case, all I had to type in was whatsmyip instead of the whole URL. Richard P. no matter which i do, I get the page with Obama in upper L (aslant) what does Alt-Enter do? If I let Firefox search for the right address by typing in whatsmyip.org and pressing enter, it comes up with the white screen and ip address as described below. If I type in the complete address: http://whatsmyip.org/ , or type in whatsmyip and Alt-Enter, it comes up with the correct home page. It is an unexpected result, to say the least but I don't know why. Perhaps it magnifies how one needs to be even more careful about what they plug into the address bar. This is the first time I've seen this. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
