If you stop being an ass. You started this thread and the only reason
you've given for not liking this OS that came out a year ago is that it
won't run old software. That's fine if customers don't want to move
forward, I know people on win2k because it works for them. That's not the
problem, the
I've seen people hang on to the strangest software...just out of fear of
change.
Mike
On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 7:21 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall <
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> It might not be. MS bought some very strong lines of professional business
> software years ago, one of them a AR ledger pro
Why upgrade everything at once? Why not just replace XP machines with
Vista
machines on their regular replacement cycle? I've heard some comments
about
IT issues with maintaining two OSs, but I don't really see it. It's just
doesn't seem that hard. They aren't THAT different.
The driver laye
Here's something I don't understand, Jeff. Why is there a need for
"upgrading all the desktops to Vista"? This is basically the same argument
that Eric makes in another message when he mentions a "potentially super
expensive platform change".
Why upgrade everything at once? Why not just replac
And I use, every day, a program that I wrote twenty-five years ago for DOS
2.0. The fact that your clients can still use this software doesn't prove
anything. The question is, can they run EVERY piece of old software?
Because that is basically what's being given as the reason not to use Vista.
I don't know if someone else already pointed this out,
but it seems like a really misguided idea. For
a number of reasons, Linux (Ubuntu, Linux Mint)
would a superior
alternative to OSX on PC hardware. Secondly,
the real advantage of the Mac/OSX combo is the
hardware. If the goal is supporting
Not just businesses.
Schools also labor under some of the same constraints.
Our local school system still has machines that run 95. Many of them
are running 98. As they upgrade they go with the latest OS, but they
cannot afford to just upgrade machines at will.
Schools down here operate on
Sure. Buy Dells with a Vista license and Ghost them with XP installs. You
need to have a volume XP product key to do this.
Why? Because Vista doesn't have significant enough business value for me to
go through the hassle of upgrading all the desktops to Vista. XP works just
fine for us. I'm w
The software the client wants to keep using has not had any updates in
years. So my job is to get up-to-date hardware configured to run old
software.
We're still running mission critical apps on, in most individual cases,
P4 platforms.
XP Pro is the OS of choice.
Why would we do this? Well,
At 10:22 PM 06/16/2008 -0400, Tom Piwowar wrote
Don't be a jerk Mike. Lots of folks run old software for good reasons. I
have Mac clients using software that was discontinued 15 years ago.
There are those who can afford to replace software every time a new version
comes out. There are young
I cannot remember the exact name of the program but it was like great
Lakes or something accounting software that was in use 15 years ago
when we were assembling DOS/Novell/Lantastic/Xenix units and it ran
on Xenix and Dos.
It was used by some larger concerns even the company I worked for ran
>So you don't like Vista because it won't run software that came out years
>ago?
Don't be a jerk Mike. Lots of folks run old software for good reasons. I
have Mac clients using software that was discontinued 15 years ago.
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It might not be. MS bought some very strong lines of professional
business software years ago, one of them a AR ledger program that a
lot of businesses used.
Stewart
At 08:54 PM 6/16/2008, you wrote:
I'd like to know what software it is. But I should probably know
better than to ask, becaus
Strange thing to say, given that I clearly stated that I was relating my own
experience. It is what it is.
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I'd like to know what software it is. But I should probably know
better than to ask, because often the answer is some antique POS you
couldn't _give_ away today, but the clients are real luddites.
On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 9:28 PM, mike <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> So you don't like Vista because it
So you don't like Vista because it won't run software that came out years
ago?
This happens on every platform, even *gasp* a mac. You mac fan bois know
that.
Mike
On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 6:00 PM, Tom Piwowar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >I use a LOT of software and have had almost no trouble.
>No reason at all. As long as you have enough horses in the box, Vista is
>far superior to XP. I have to use both (for professional reasons) and I hate
>using the XP box now.
If the client's primary application won't run there is no way that they
are going to love Vista.
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>I use a LOT of software and have had almost no trouble. A couple of things
>had to run in XP compatibility mode and a couple more needed updates (which
>were free in the specific cases I ran into). I had only one app that
>wouldn't work at all
Giving me the MS party line is even less useful than
>And suggesting it to Tom Piwowar, Mac guy and king of the Apple fan-boys (if
>I may use his phrase), is surely carrying coals to Newcastle...
I am not an Apple fan. I merely despise junk and adore quality. It is not
my fault that MS makes junk and sells it by using strong-arm tactics.
>what were your reasons for going with xp instead of vista?
Need to run old software. MS bought the software company a few years ago
and discontinued their products. My client does not want to switch
despite aggressive MS sales tactics.
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I use a LOT of software and have had almost no trouble. A couple of things
had to run in XP compatibility mode and a couple more needed updates (which
were free in the specific cases I ran into). I had only one app that
wouldn't work at all and was not going to be updated (a system registry
monit
mike wrote:
Does anyone know why anyone wants to avoid vista on new machines? What is
the problem?
Mike
I haven't tried Vista yet, but I think one problem might be that some
software doesn't work for Vista as it does for XP. I'd like to see a
list of software that doesn't work with Vist
and proud of it.
On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 4:00 PM, Chris Dunford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> < Tom is a fan BOI, not boy. Glitterati are bois, not boys. >
>
> I stand corrected. It also explains why PC users are mostly busboys and not
> busbois.
>
>
>
At 12:38 PM 6/16/2008, you wrote:
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Subject: Re: Forced to Vista?
What's wrong with Vista? Having to struggle to access many things
that should be transparently available and having it decide other
things for me incorrectl
< Tom is a fan BOI, not boy. Glitterati are bois, not boys. >
I stand corrected. It also explains why PC users are mostly busboys and not
busbois.
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On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 12:32 PM, Chris Dunford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> And suggesting it to Tom Piwowar, Mac guy and king of the Apple fan-boys
> (if
> I may use his phrase), is surely carrying coals to Newcastle...
>
>
It's sort of hard to put a finger on. Mostly it just "feels better". But I
have found it to be more robust (XP was pretty good, but I did get the
occasional bluescreen or hangup--I've never had either with Vista). And
it's certainly more secure.
Chris
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>> Yeah. Get a Mac.
>
> I suggested getting the Mac OS and was criticized for doing so.
>Actually, I should have merely suggested any other OS, not just one
>made by Apple.
>
> I realize that many folks think they are forever bound to a MS
>operating system of one flavor or another. Suc
what were your reasons for going with xp instead of vista?
On 6/16/08, Ellen Harris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I'm ordering three new machines from Dell today with XP on them. They
> should hold us until whatever follows Vista is available.
>
>
>
> Tom Piwowar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I s
On Jun 16, 2008, at 2:10 PM, Reid Katan wrote:
On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 11:14 AM, Tom Piwowar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Does anyone have a strategy for avoiding Vista?
Yeah. Get a Mac.
I suggested getting the Mac OS and was criticized for doing so.
Actually, I should have merely sugg
On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 11:14 AM, Tom Piwowar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Does anyone have a strategy for avoiding Vista?
Yeah. Get a Mac.
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Can you list your reasons for why your XP box isn't as good as Vista?
Thanks,
Richard
Chris wrote:
No reason at all. As long as you have enough horses in the box, Vista is
far superior to XP. I have to use both (for professional reasons) and I hate
using the XP box now.
Does anyone know wh
I'm ordering three new machines from Dell today with XP on them. They should
hold us until whatever follows Vista is available.
Tom Piwowar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I see that Dell will stop taking orders for XP equipped PCs on the 18th
(this Wed). I also read that some Dell PCs can
What's wrong with Vista? Having to struggle to access many things that
should be transparently available and having it decide other things for
me incorrectly is a big reason for me.
I want to do my work on a computer not have the computer be the work.
Same things goes for Office 2007. Es
I've run vista on a dozen machines, never had anything similiar. What did
you buy that it ran like that? And can you be more specific?
Mike
On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 9:00 AM, Rev. Stewart Marshall <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Does the phrase runs like ME mean anything to you?
>
> Stewart
>
>
>
No reason at all. As long as you have enough horses in the box, Vista is
far superior to XP. I have to use both (for professional reasons) and I hate
using the XP box now.
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With all respect, this response, besides being very tired, is not helpful
and just wastes bandwidth. I wish people would stop doing this.
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Does the phrase runs like ME mean anything to you?
Stewart
At 10:47 AM 6/16/2008, you wrote:
Does anyone know why anyone wants to avoid vista on new machines? What is
the problem?
Mike
On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 8:14 AM, Tom Piwowar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I see that Dell will stop takin
On Jun 16, 2008, at 11:14 AM, Tom Piwowar wrote:
Does anyone have a strategy for avoiding Vista?
Macintosh OS.
Steve
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Another thing to keep in mind, the only thing that has changed is that xp is
no longer available in stores.
Mike
On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 8:57 AM, Tony B <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Odd you should mention this, as I will be getting a new motherboard
> this month and I've (almost) decided to go w
Odd you should mention this, as I will be getting a new motherboard
this month and I've (almost) decided to go with Vista instead of XP.
I've had a dual boot XP/Vista install for a while, but little (third
party) problems kept me from defaulting to Vista. Well, now that
Nvidia has gotten their act
By the way, no drivers for XP for certain hardware isn't MS's fault...the
companies who create the software decided to not write drivers.
Mike
On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 8:14 AM, Tom Piwowar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I see that Dell will stop taking orders for XP equipped PCs on the 18th
> (this
Does anyone know why anyone wants to avoid vista on new machines? What is
the problem?
Mike
On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 8:14 AM, Tom Piwowar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I see that Dell will stop taking orders for XP equipped PCs on the 18th
> (this Wed). I also read that some Dell PCs can no longe
I see that Dell will stop taking orders for XP equipped PCs on the 18th
(this Wed). I also read that some Dell PCs can no longer be downgraded to
XP because there are no XP drivers for some components (sound cards,
NICs, etc).
So after failing to take over Yahoo are we going to be the next
rec
Thanks to everyone for my rapid education and confirmation of my
prejudices. I'm especially thrilled to have all this new jargon to throw
around!
You all lead me to conclude...
T1 at 1.5 Mbps is no big deal and hardly competes with Business ADSL
3.0/2.5 service priced at $60 month. Business FI
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