Re: [CGUYS] What we actually get for our money...

2008-08-16 Thread Eric S. Sande
Here here, I think they are now owned by Alcatel. I think it should be "Hear, Hear" but I'm not the spelling police. Yeah, they're part of Alcatel-Lucent now. Thereby hangs a tale, when the Bell System was broken up the equipment and R&D divisions got split off from the "Baby Bells". This is

Re: [CGUYS] What we actually get for our money...

2008-08-16 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
Here here, I think they are now owned by Alcatel. Stewart At 10:08 PM 8/16/2008, you wrote: The Internet and broadband both are the result of many years of our government investing in science/technology R&D... Thank Bell Labs. ***

Re: [CGUYS] What we actually get for our money...

2008-08-16 Thread Eric S. Sande
The Internet and broadband both are the result of many years of our government investing in science/technology R&D... Thank Bell Labs. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy,

Re: [CGUYS] is it RAID?

2008-08-16 Thread Jeff Wright
> I think we should scale this back to the parameters of the original > question: given a limited budget and the need to protect about 1TB, > which of these technologies make sense? I woule go for DVDs *and* an external > hard drive, but no RAID. RAID vs. single drive boils down to the following f

Re: [CGUYS] iPod -> Zune

2008-08-16 Thread Stephen Brownfield
Tom, How can I find out what if any of my iTunes songs can be upgraded to higher-bit-rate and non-DRM? Steve Tom Piwowar wrote: My daughter's iPod croaked and she wants to replace it with a Zune. The only problem is her enormous iTunes library. I don't know anything about iTunes (other

Re: [CGUYS] What we actually get for our money...

2008-08-16 Thread Eric S. Sande
And no I'm not blaming your personally for the woes :p Thanks, Mike, I appreciate that. But I'm not agreeing by silence that anything was paid for or not. I don't move in those circles. I actually am politically not even close to connected with what's up with that, and I certainly don't speak

Re: [CGUYS] What we actually get for our money...

2008-08-16 Thread Jeff Wright
> The Internet and broadband both are the result of many years of our > government investing in science/technology R&D, giving research and > implementation grants to university and private research labs while > providing huge tax breaks to the broadband providers. Those providers > promised to get

Re: [CGUYS] iPod -> Zune

2008-08-16 Thread Jeff Wright
That makes much more sense, which is how I will use it. Thanks. > -Original Message- > Sorry I wasn't clear. When you first run iTunes it will ask if you > want iTunes to manage your music or if you want to manage it yourself. > Letting itunes manage it, will most likely end up moving y

Re: [CGUYS] What we actually get for our money...

2008-08-16 Thread mike
Better numbers but still pathetic considering what we were promised and what the telcos were given. This blog..is it counting as FIOS being available the same way the government used to count broadband availability? If FIOS is in one house in a zip code then the whole zip code has it even though

Re: [CGUYS] What we actually get for our money...

2008-08-16 Thread Eric S. Sande
This article states the telcos, including verizon promised over 80 million households would have fiber, it looks like we are sitting at under 4 million at this time. I'm not sure you're looking at current numbers, the article was over two years old. Try this: http://telcotv-view.blogspot.com

Re: [CGUYS] iPod -> Zune

2008-08-16 Thread b_s-wilk
If I were using a peecee and wanted to transfer my music, I'd probably burn mp3s/AACs to CDRW, and import into the new music program. Or I'd find all the music where it's stored on my computer, remove from folders, and drag them to the other music program. For encrypted music that's purchased,

Re: [CGUYS] iPod -> Zune

2008-08-16 Thread mike
Yes that one. I've got several friends who love this way of getting their music. People who enjoy trying out new music all the time especially. So that would be a no, ipods do not yet have access to this type of system. Mike On Sat, Aug 16, 2008 at 12:48 PM, Tom Piwowar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wro

Re: [CGUYS] is it RAID?

2008-08-16 Thread mike
Actually he never offered any alternatives to RAID where RAID is needed. I gave an example. 25 or 30 users accessing a database, minimum downtime, maximum data protection. What do you do in this situation except RAID? We just had a drive go out in this situation, and if it had not been in a RAI

Re: [CGUYS] What we actually get for our money...

2008-08-16 Thread b_s-wilk
The Internet and broadband both are the result of many years of our government investing in science/technology R&D, giving research and implementation grants to university and private research labs while providing huge tax breaks to the broadband providers. Those providers promised to get their

Re: [CGUYS] is it RAID?

2008-08-16 Thread db
What would you do with the external HD? Use it with a backup program or replication program...? db Tom Piwowar wrote: You keep saying this, but don't give examples of what better methods there are. There have been many examples proffered. I think you just don't want to acknowledge

Re: [CGUYS] is it RAID?

2008-08-16 Thread Tom Piwowar
>You keep saying this, but don't give examples of what better methods there >are. There have been many examples proffered. I think you just don't want to acknowledge them. I won't repeat Jeff's list, which is quite complete and very useful for us all. It includes some technologies that are waxin

Re: [CGUYS] iPod -> Zune

2008-08-16 Thread John Emmerling
Assuming it is germane to this discussion, It happens there is alternate software available to put plain-vanilla mp3s on an iPod. I have used Yamipod for this purpose. I even used it on Linux with some success. * ** List i

Re: [CGUYS] iPod -> Zune

2008-08-16 Thread Tom Piwowar
>Are there any unlimited music services that allow ipods to access them? If >I'm not mistaken there are not...could be why the switch to a zune. Or she >just wants to look for people to squirt. Unlimited services like LimeWire or BearShare? Those are the only truly unlimited services, but they

Re: [CGUYS] the peanut gallery

2008-08-16 Thread Tom Piwowar
>The list, perhaps because it lacks any sort of rating system, >definitely has a high ratio of hecklers around. Every time someone >brings up a good point, 3 others jump in and opine, completely >obfuscating the issue. Tony, you need to get out of this funk. The discussion on the RAID thread was

Re: [CGUYS] is it RAID?

2008-08-16 Thread Jeff Wright
> -Original Message- > You keep saying this, but don't give examples of what better methods > there are. Why educate when you can obfuscate? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy **

Re: [CGUYS] iPod -> Zune

2008-08-16 Thread mike
Are there any unlimited music services that allow ipods to access them? If I'm not mistaken there are not...could be why the switch to a zune. Or she just wants to look for people to squirt. Mike On Sat, Aug 16, 2008 at 11:56 AM, Tom Piwowar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >My daughter's iPod cro

Re: [CGUYS] DVD's vs. External hard drives for archiving

2008-08-16 Thread Jeff Wright
> Yes, I guess that is the point. You run less risk of losing your > backup data stored with a reliable online vendor than you do if you depend on > your own RAID/ Drobo device. If your budget can swing it, you should have the following for complete protection: 1. Shadow copies 2. Disk-disk back

Re: [CGUYS] Data protection Server

2008-08-16 Thread Jeff Wright
> -Original Message- > You ever look into the stuff from NetApp? Yes, I have, but I thought they were little pricey. Dell actually has a less expensive series that I would like to get one of. * ** List info, subscr

Re: [CGUYS] DVD's vs. External hard drives for archiving

2008-08-16 Thread Tom Piwowar
>But they will get much higher up time by using Linux and running MySQL or >PostrgeSQL, implementing high availability, like data replication to another >server, etc. Data replication can be more reliable for some kinds of errors or no more reliable for other kinds of errors. It won't help you at

Re: [CGUYS] is it RAID?

2008-08-16 Thread mike
You keep saying this, but don't give examples of what better methods there are. Mike On Sat, Aug 16, 2008 at 12:06 PM, Tom Piwowar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >It is a specific technology, but not a specific hardware technology. RAID > >is a technology that uses multiple hard drives for perfor

[CGUYS] Data protection Server

2008-08-16 Thread Matthew Taylor
You ever look into the stuff from NetApp? On Aug 16, 2008, at 10:20 AM, Jeff Wright wrote: I'd like to purchase a data protection server that takes hourly snapshots of all the local servers, * ** List info, subscripti

Re: [CGUYS] is it RAID?

2008-08-16 Thread Tom Piwowar
>It is a specific technology, but not a specific hardware technology. RAID >is a technology that uses multiple hard drives for performance, data >management or reliability. The above is correct as long as you write it in the past tense. The error is not realizing that all of these benefits can b

Re: [CGUYS] iPod -> Zune

2008-08-16 Thread Tom Piwowar
>My daughter's iPod croaked and she wants to replace it with a Zune. The only >problem is her enormous iTunes library. I don't know anything about iTunes >(other than that the Windows version crashes constantly). Can she Zune her >tunes, or are they locked in the iTunes library forever? If her iT

[CGUYS] ultrabay 2000

2008-08-16 Thread rlsimon
I have an ibm thinkpad x31 pIV-m 1.4 2gb/120gb on an ultrabase x3 with empty ultrabay 2000 and I have the old 40gb hdd I replaced in the notebook (for size, not malfunction). Can I just buy the 2nd HDD adapter (the HDD I bought is a WD scorpio wdc wd1200ve-00kwt0 2.5" 120gb ATA-6 and the one I too

Re: [CGUYS] DVD's vs. External hard drives for archiving

2008-08-16 Thread db
Yes, I guess that is the point. You run less risk of losing your backup data stored with a reliable online vendor than you do if you depend on your own RAID/ Drobo device. db mike wrote: It was down for not quite 3 hours and AFAIK, no one lost any data. On Sat, Aug 16, 2008 at 10:41 AM, db

Re: [CGUYS] iPod -> Zune

2008-08-16 Thread Tom Piwowar
>I rip/buy all my music as un-DRM'd MP3s to a folder on my hard drive and >manage it from there through Windows Explorer and Media Monkey. I hope that >iTunes doesn't screw up the perfectly usable system I have in place, tho' >I've been told it won't. I remain skeptical. I know it is so hard for

Re: [CGUYS] DVD's vs. External hard drives for archiving

2008-08-16 Thread mike
It was down for not quite 3 hours and AFAIK, no one lost any data. On Sat, Aug 16, 2008 at 10:41 AM, db <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Speaking of which Amazon's redundant array crashed temporarily for 8 hrs > recently didn't it? > > *

Re: [CGUYS] iPod -> Zune

2008-08-16 Thread mike
Sorry I wasn't clear. When you first run iTunes it will ask if you want iTunes to manage your music or if you want to manage it yourself. Letting itunes manage it, will most likely end up moving your music you wish on your ipod to be imported into the windows music folder. If you just manage th

Re: [CGUYS] DVD's vs. External hard drives for archiving

2008-08-16 Thread db
I think that was what he was referring to ... that redundant arrays appear to be a very large mirrored RAID (Redundant Array of Independent Disks) ... as someone noted "RAIS" ... so for our purposes realistically there is no real disadvantage in using RAID when the alternative is to wait for an

Re: [CGUYS] iPod -> Zune

2008-08-16 Thread db
There is a pretty good chance that a file backup/ reformat/ Windows reload followed by a iTunes install will take care of her problem. iTunes doesn't play well on a frazzled Win load. db John Duncan Yoyo wrote: Legally yeah she is pretty much stuck. There are ways but they violate the DMA.

Re: [CGUYS] iPod -> Zune

2008-08-16 Thread Jeff Wright
> -Original Message- > That dell wasn't bad for it's time, but the software was > horrid...almost as bad as soundstage is for sony. It was a solid device; no scratches on it ever. I never used the awful MusicMatch that came with it. Just the Explorer plug-in. > I've been using iTunes o

Re: [CGUYS] iPod -> Zune

2008-08-16 Thread John Duncan Yoyo
You should be fine with your MP3's. Just keep them as MP3s. The only things that gets bad DRM are most purchases from the iTunes store. Buy either the non DRM iTunes or other non DRMed vendors like Amazon.com. Accepting DRM was the only way apple was to get vendors to allow them to sell. Now i

Re: [CGUYS] XP rundll error question -

2008-08-16 Thread Tony B
First you must define "rundll problems". That's a common program error and can usually be solved by updating the software causing it. Any registry cleaner app _might_ fix the issue. Like the freeware Easy Cleaner ( http://personal.inet.fi/business/toniarts/ecleane.htm ) . Or not. On Sat, Aug 16,

[CGUYS] XP rundll error question -

2008-08-16 Thread Tom Chambers
List members : Is there a trustworthy freeware program which will fix rundll problems in XP ? If not , can anyone recommend a program you've had experience with that will do the job ? Many thanks ,

Re: [CGUYS] iPod -> Zune

2008-08-16 Thread mike
That dell wasn't bad for it's time, but the software was horrid...almost as bad as soundstage is for sony. I've been using iTunes on xp pro, vista 64 for several years and have never had a single issue. Just don't let iTunes manage your music and all will be well. I keep all my ripped music on a

Re: [CGUYS] What we actually get for our money...

2008-08-16 Thread mike
The government, meaning us the taxpayers already has been helping with ginormous tax incentives and rebates. Actually if helping means 'paying for it through the nose' then we are good. This article states the telcos, including verizon promised over 80 million households would have fiber, it look

[CGUYS] is it RAID?

2008-08-16 Thread mike
It is a specific technology, but not a specific hardware technology. RAID is a technology that uses multiple hard drives for performance, data management or reliability. You don't need a RAID card to make RAID. And it seems to me in google's case instead of using multiple hard drives in one serv

Re: [CGUYS] iPod -> Zune

2008-08-16 Thread Jeff Wright
> Legally yeah she is pretty much stuck. There are ways but they violate > the DMA. Search for what M$ said about converting plays for sure to non- > DRM they told you how to do it and the same applies to iTunes. To say > anything more will make Tom nervous. > > This will teach her to buy non-D

Re: [CGUYS] iPod -> Zune

2008-08-16 Thread John DeCarlo
On Sat, Aug 16, 2008 at 10:09 AM, Chris Dunford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: > My daughter's iPod croaked and she wants to replace it with a Zune. The > only > problem is her enormous iTunes library. I don't know anything about iTunes > (other than that the Windows version crashes constantly). Can s

Re: [CGUYS] What we actually get for our money...

2008-08-16 Thread Wayne Dernoncourt
Eric S. Sande >>ZDNet Australia has the US listed in 2008 as 23rd behind >>Latvia, Greece, Hong Kong, Romania, Macau. Pretty pathetic. > Romania238K > Greece 132K > Latvia 65K > Hong Kong1K > Macau .025K > All numbers are square kilometers, rounded up, total > 436.025K

Re: [CGUYS] DVD's vs. External hard drives for archiving

2008-08-16 Thread John DeCarlo
On Sat, Aug 16, 2008 at 12:50 AM, mike <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > So what does company with database access needs and 25 users do to keep as > much up time as possible? Depends on the budget, etc. And what the requirements are. A hardware RAID controller has many problems - you have to make

Re: [CGUYS] DVD's vs. External hard drives for archiving

2008-08-16 Thread Jeff Wright
> But RAID is a specific technology. Having multiple, redundant drives > does not require using RAID. My understanding is that Google doesn't use > RAID technology for anything but that one project (Adwords). While for > their search indices and Gmail and the like they simply store multiple copi

Re: [CGUYS] iPod -> Zune

2008-08-16 Thread John Duncan Yoyo
Legally yeah she is pretty much stuck. There are ways but they violate the DMA. Search for what M$ said about converting plays for sure to non- DRM they told you how to do it and the same applies to iTunes. To say anything more will make Tom nervous. This will teach her to buy non-DRM from amaz

Re: [CGUYS] What we actually get for our money...

2008-08-16 Thread Jeff Wright
> The "megacorp" is bearing the cost. We expect ROI. That is basic > capitalism. We know the government isn't going to help us do this. > > We are doing this on our own. That is how America is supposed > to work. Sounds like a viable business plan to me. I hope Verizon is successful and wi

Re: [CGUYS] the peanut gallery

2008-08-16 Thread Jeff Wright
> The list, perhaps because it lacks any sort of rating system, > definitely has a high ratio of hecklers around. Every time someone > brings up a good point, 3 others jump in and opine, completely > obfuscating the issue. Then there are the 3-4 people who jump into > _every_ thread as if they know

Re: [CGUYS] DVD's vs. External hard drives for archiving

2008-08-16 Thread John DeCarlo
On Fri, Aug 15, 2008 at 5:14 PM, mike <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This part..maybe your terminology is confused..you say they get more > realiability with 'redundant disk arrays then with RAID'. Just a point of > order, RAID *is* redundant array of independant disks. > But RAID is a specific te

[CGUYS] iPod -> Zune

2008-08-16 Thread Chris Dunford
My daughter's iPod croaked and she wants to replace it with a Zune. The only problem is her enormous iTunes library. I don't know anything about iTunes (other than that the Windows version crashes constantly). Can she Zune her tunes, or are they locked in the iTunes library forever?

[CGUYS] the peanut gallery

2008-08-16 Thread Tony B
The list, perhaps because it lacks any sort of rating system, definitely has a high ratio of hecklers around. Every time someone brings up a good point, 3 others jump in and opine, completely obfuscating the issue. Then there are the 3-4 people who jump into _every_ thread as if they know all about

Re: [CGUYS] What we actually get for our money...

2008-08-16 Thread Steve Rigby
On Aug 16, 2008, at 12:14 AM, Eric S. Sande wrote: All numbers are square kilometers, rounded up, total 436.025K. A little bigger than California and on average much denser. Yes, but how many of those who live in those areas are actually connected? One can have a very dense population wi

Re: [CGUYS] Excel on Mapped Drive

2008-08-16 Thread Jay Montero
I was thinking along the same lines but you helped define it better. Thanks very much. I will check it out. --- On Fri, 8/15/08, John DeCarlo wrote: > I had a problem with Windows and an often-accessed network > share. Windows > had cached information (you can see this in Explorer when > yo

Re: [CGUYS] What we actually get for our money...

2008-08-16 Thread Eric S. Sande
Maybe you need some of the good 'ol American gumption of T. Bone Pickens. I have no comment on his tactics. I will be honest in saying that building out a fiber based network is expensive. The "megacorp" is bearing the cost. We expect ROI. That is basic capitalism. We know the government is