Re: [CGUYS] HOME OWNERSHIP

2009-02-04 Thread John Duncan Yoyo
On Sat, Jan 31, 2009 at 5:58 PM, rleesimon rleesi...@gmail.com wrote: it's an obamarama! More of a Bush Up. Failing to have the regulators regulate for eight years is part of the problem. It probably started in Clinton or the older Bush although I have heard people blaming Reagan for all

Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves

2009-02-04 Thread Snyder, Mark (IT-EI)
In my small government experience, it was council members' fear that raising water and sewer rates angers the voters, their neighbors. So previous councils pretended the problems in the water and sewer systems didn't need to be funded. They did cheap, little fixes that made the problems a bit

Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves

2009-02-04 Thread Roy Ackerman,Ph.D.,P.Ch.E.,E.A.
Normal 0 false false false EN-US X-NONE HE Actually, guys the elephant in the room is.. pensions. The Feds, the States, and the locals have the largest unfunded pension liability. Don't even think that the PBGC can bail these out- and it's small potatoes compared to the

Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves

2009-02-04 Thread Matthew Taylor
Clearly in your first paragraph you identify part of the problem - not charging what it costs to provide the service now and going forward. You came on board and had the needed spine to push for what had to be done - I commend you. My question is why should municipal governments not bear

Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves

2009-02-04 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
For many small communities if it were not for state or federal governments they would never be able to provide these services. When I lived in WI, the local community had a water system. Worked great until they found pout their source of water was being contaminated by an underground source.

Re: [CGUYS] TERRIBLE SUBJECT! [Was: COMPUTERGUYS-L Digest - 3 Feb 2009...

2009-02-04 Thread Jordan
I don't understand. Sorting by thread in Thunderbird keeps every subject separate. Am I missing something? Ralph wrote: I have two gmail accounts - my regular one that I download into Thunderbird, and this one that I read online. Since the online Gmail interface collates messages by Subject

[CGUYS] Senior Computing [Was: political discussion]

2009-02-04 Thread Tom Piwowar
Over 20 years ago, my 1st computer student was an 80 year-old writer. He had been a farmer and retired at 65 by moving to Washington and starting a 2nd career as a writer. He wrote for mags like Reader's Digest and Parade (the Sunday newspaper insert). So at 80 he was an early adopter, getting

Re: [CGUYS] HOME OWNERSHIP

2009-02-04 Thread gerald
there was almost nothing to regulate during bush1 and even clinton. the boom started after the gramm introduced methods of handling(slicing) the bundled mortgages. the real growth did not start until the second bush2 term. At 04:06 AM 2/4/2009, you wrote: On Sat, Jan 31, 2009 at 5:58 PM,

Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves

2009-02-04 Thread Matthew Taylor
It seems to me that there was an actionable tort against the owners of the land where the service station was, and the owners of the station at the time of abandonment. Were they made to pay costs for remediating the pollution they caused? What did the municipality consider more important

Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves

2009-02-04 Thread Matthew Taylor
And yet they do this because it is clear that their own publics would not support paying market prices directly. And it also helps keep third world farmers at starvation level because they can not compete with European (and American) subsidized agriculture. Good job. Oh, and then we

Re: [CGUYS] Groupwise on Itouch or Iphone

2009-02-04 Thread Matthew Taylor
This might not help much but here goes. I don't think you can out of the box. Groupwise will speak IMAP and POP, which the iPhone/touch can handle, but it also uses a security certificate which I am not sure they can handle. For push email there is a company called Notify (first link)

Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves

2009-02-04 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
Not particularly true. Statistics have shown there is enough food produced in the world to feed everyone. The problem is with distribution. Also very HUGE problem corrupt governments that would rather their populace die than allow them the needed food. Case in point, Ethiopia in the

Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves

2009-02-04 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
Try and track it down. I am not sure if you know the history of many small gas stations, but very frequently they were part owned by a local person and part by a national corp. In this case paperwork disappeared and no one was left holding the bag. Probably a National Oil company long

Re: [CGUYS] TERRIBLE SUBJECT! [Was: COMPUTERGUYS-L Digest - 3 Feb 2009...

2009-02-04 Thread Ralph
I have two gmail accounts - my regular one that I download into Thunderbird, and this one that I read online. Since the online Gmail interface collates messages by Subject line, it removes the need to subscribe using the Digest option. Those voluminous threads you refer to, appear as one-line

[CGUYS] preferred network settings, Windows XP

2009-02-04 Thread rocky lee
the patient:HP laptop running Windows XP Using wireless with connect to a wifi router with WPA-PSK with TKIP encryption. In the past worked flawlessly and connected automatically. Then, Earthlink tech tried to upgrade to their software remotely (and earthlink was not being used for the

Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves

2009-02-04 Thread Matthew Taylor
On Feb 4, 2009, at 11:00 AM, Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote: Not particularly true. What is not true? Statistics have shown there is enough food produced in the world to feed everyone. Agreed The problem is with distribution. Also very HUGE problem corrupt governments that would

Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves

2009-02-04 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
At 10:18 AM 2/4/2009, you wrote: Agreed - with the caveat that part of the distribution problem is that in some areas the locals can not price compete with subsidized imported food, and so leave the farms and head for the cities. Yes and no. Very often the government discourages the

Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves

2009-02-04 Thread Chris Dunford
Remember Sam Kinison? Get in the trucks - you live in a freaking desert - we are taking you to where the food is I laughed so hard I cried. I remember this--it was very funny advice, but not real practical. * ** List

Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves

2009-02-04 Thread Roy A. Ackerman, Ph.D., E.A.
NOT True. And, we should do EXACTLY the same. Several cities along the Mississippi have finally relocated to higher ground. Scottsville in Virginia did so about ten years ago (after building a levee taller than the fences in Israel, to no avail). We all need to recognize the nature of flooding,

[CGUYS] AVG updates.

2009-02-04 Thread katan
At the risk of turning this list into a computer discussion list, I have a question about AVG updates. Mine doesn't. I've got three computers (one dual booting XP/Win7) with AVG and all set to auto-update, and they've all been failing (Connection failed). It shouldn't be my Internet connection,

Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves

2009-02-04 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
At 11:09 AM 2/4/2009, you wrote: Agreed - that one routine was funny though. I did not find many of his routines funny. I am sorry to see you are in Gaza enabling Hamas. Money is fungible and I can not support Hamas. Matthew If people are in need people are in need. It does not matter

Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves

2009-02-04 Thread Matthew Taylor
Not at all practical, but the routine was funny. I found this link to three versions of the bit for those who don't know what we are talking about. Warning - he is quite profane. http://bobsfunnies.blogspot.com/2008/03/sam-kinison-ethiopia-sketch.html Matthew On Feb 4, 2009, at 12:06 PM,

Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves

2009-02-04 Thread Matthew Taylor
But by providing a support structure for Hamas, you help perpetuate the suffering. I know it is harsh, but sometimes you have to let people suffer until they change the behavior that creates the suffering. I would be all in favor aid programs to take people out of Gaza, or to take Hamas

Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves

2009-02-04 Thread Matthew Taylor
You are correct there. The flood plains of the Mississippi river basin were as fertile as they were in part because they were flood plains. Our insistence that we build along the shore and ward off floods, rather than learn to live with them, has done great damage to the ecosystem.

Re: [CGUYS] TERRIBLE SUBJECT! [Was: COMPUTERGUYS-L Digest - 3 Feb 2009...

2009-02-04 Thread Ralph
Setup a unique gmail username specifically for subscribing to the computerguys. DON'T download it to Thunderbird - read it by logging in online, where gmail will group the messages by topic, with the primary sort by most recent time-stamp. When you encounter a thread that doesn't interest you,

Re: [CGUYS] AVG updates.

2009-02-04 Thread Mike Sloane
One of my computers (running XP) tries to update, but I get a message control (something) incorrect. A half dozen other machines running Win98SE and XP have no problem. I am just going to re-install AVG on that machine and see if that helps. Mike katan wrote: At the risk of turning this

Re: [CGUYS] AVG updates.

2009-02-04 Thread Ellen Rains Harris
I'm having no problems with mine, both v. 8. You might want to check your DNS settings; I had a DNS hijacked not too long ago which kept me from being able to update the AVG. Ellen Harris - Original Message - From: katan ka...@his.com To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Sent:

Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves

2009-02-04 Thread Steve at Verizon
On top of which some expect the government to pay for the loss of property so foolishly placed. Matthew Taylor wrote: You are correct there. The flood plains of the Mississippi river basin were as fertile as they were in part because they were flood plains. Our insistence that we build

Re: [CGUYS] Senior Computing [Was: political discussion]

2009-02-04 Thread Sue Cubic
At 10:02 AM 02/04/2009 -0500, Tom Piwowar wrote His greatest problem was selecting with the mouse, his hand was not steady enough to use menus. Definitely a situation where keyboard input would be superior to mousing. That's the biggest problem I've observed also. I have one Trakball, and

Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves

2009-02-04 Thread Snyder, Mark (IT-EI)
You have that backwards. Foolish government offers subsidized flood insurance program and property owner buys it (sometimes required to by the lender). I hope people who buy insurance are not foolish to expect to be paid for an insured loss. Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message-

Re: [CGUYS] AVG updates.

2009-02-04 Thread Charles Rankin
I have AVG (free) running on two win xp computers. What seems to happen regularly on my systems is that AVG attempts to update and fails. Then when I click manual update it updates fine. I've just chalked it up to a quirk in the program, it is free after all. Charlie katan wrote: pre wrapAt

Re: [CGUYS] Senior Computing [Was: political discussion]

2009-02-04 Thread Tom Piwowar
That's the biggest problem I've observed also. I have one Trakball, and nearly everyone is successful with that. Great idea. There are some trackballs that have a very big ball, like grapefruit size. I think that would probably be the best for seniors. Need to adjust the ball to make it less

Re: [CGUYS] Groupwise on Itouch or Iphone

2009-02-04 Thread Tom Piwowar
Would appreciate if anyone on the list would know how to set up Groupwise account on Itouch (and or iphone). My sister is a nurse and has groupwise mail at the hospital. She would like to read her mail while in transit. I set up my own itouch with gmail, outlook, but when I tried to help her

Re: [CGUYS] AVG updates.

2009-02-04 Thread Tom Piwowar
I have a question about AVG updates. Mine doesn't. Now the MS has vanquished the last computer virus there is no need for updates. Mine doesn't. I've got three computers (one dual booting XP/Win7) with AVG and all set to auto-update, and they've all been failing (Connection failed). It

Re: [CGUYS] political discussion

2009-02-04 Thread b_s-wilk
Sue Cubic scu...@earthlink.net escribió: These got very little use and are now gone. I bet our politics thread will be gone soon too. I hope so. I'm about ready to unsub. The subject of politics is not why I joined this list. I'd rather discuss needlework on here--would anyone mind?

Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves

2009-02-04 Thread b_s-wilk
And yet they do this because it is clear that their own publics would not support paying market prices directly. And it also helps keep third world farmers at starvation level because they can not compete with European (and American) subsidized agriculture. Good job. Oh, and then we send tons

Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves

2009-02-04 Thread b_s-wilk
But by providing a support structure for Hamas, you help perpetuate the suffering. I know it is harsh, but sometimes you have to let people suffer until they change the behavior that creates the suffering. I would be all in favor aid programs to take people out of Gaza, or to take Hamas out of

Re: [CGUYS] Needlepoint

2009-02-04 Thread b_s-wilk
Count me in, Sue! I'm just getting over a really bad cold. I took to my bed for about a week, and I've almost completed a needlepoint pillow (really complicated design) while resting in bed. It kept me from going completely crazy during the week. If you know of any sites with good stitch

Re: [CGUYS] Senior Computing [Was: political discussion]

2009-02-04 Thread Sue Cubic
At 02:23 PM 02/04/2009 -0500, Tom Piwowar wrote Great idea. There are some trackballs that have a very big ball, like grapefruit size. I think that would probably be the best for seniors. Need to adjust the ball to make it less sensitive, so it takes a lot of motion to move the cursor. That

Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves

2009-02-04 Thread Roy A. Ackerman, Ph.D., E.A.
Hamas won the majority of seats in Parliament, but NOT the leadership. They OUTSTED the Fatah's Officers and Management in Gaza (via murder). They did NOT win the Presidency or the Ministry. Eschew Obfuscation This is a reply from: Roy A. Ackerman, Ph.D., E.A.

Re: [CGUYS] AVG updates.

2009-02-04 Thread katan
On Wed, 4 Feb 2009 12:42:12 -0500, Ellen Rains Harris wrote: I'm having no problems with mine, both v. 8. You might want to check your DNS settings; I had a DNS hijacked not too long ago which kept me from being able to update the AVG. I switched to OpenDNS on the dual boot. I'll see what

Re: [CGUYS] AVG updates.

2009-02-04 Thread katan
On Wed, 4 Feb 2009 14:29:40 -0500, Tom Piwowar wrote: Mine doesn't. I've got three computers (one dual booting XP/Win7) with AVG and all set to auto-update, and they've all been failing (Connection failed). It shouldn't be my Internet connection, because they're at two different locations (the

Re: [CGUYS] political discussion

2009-02-04 Thread Sue Cubic
At 02:19 PM 02/04/2009 -0500, b_s-wilk wrote It's so easy to use the Delete key, easier than unsubscribing. Actually what I minded the most was the word Approve in the subject line. I manage several Yahoo email lists, and filter the requests to join from posts I need to moderate.

Re: [CGUYS] Senior Computing [Was: political discussion]

2009-02-04 Thread Tom Piwowar
I get so disgusted with projects like this--my tax dollars at work! Wrong thread, you want Resodding... * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and

Re: [CGUYS] Needlepoint

2009-02-04 Thread Sue Cubic
At 03:25 PM 02/04/2009 -0500, b_s-wilk wrote Wait! Here's a computer question: Can you scan a picture you like and print it on canvas using an injet printer set to low res so it doesn't bleed through? If you can put CDs/DVDs in special inkjet printers, why not needlepoint canvas? [except for

Re: [CGUYS] Needlepoint

2009-02-04 Thread Tom Piwowar
I find pictures that I like and use tracing paper [or draw freehand] to transfer to canvas. Easy for small pictures. harder for rugs. I make bargello pillows or jackets with my leftover wool. Bargello requires no printed pattern. Why not a Computerized Sewing and Embroidery Machine?

Re: [CGUYS] most likely an easy itunes question...

2009-02-04 Thread mike
Well I was keeping my music sorted myself long before itunes so i'll stick with this. Just odd what itunes decides to do with compilations. On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 10:18 AM, katan ka...@his.com wrote: On Tue, 3 Feb 2009 15:15:02 -0700, mike wrote: I've never let itunes manage the

Re: [CGUYS] Senior Computing [Was: political discussion]

2009-02-04 Thread rleesimon
so now he's 100 and must have gotten the hang of it !! -Original Message- From: Tom Piwowar [mailto:t...@tjpa.com] Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 10:02 AM Subject: Senior Computing [Was: political discussion] Over 20 years ago, my 1st computer student was an 80 year-old writer. He

[CGUYS] House Votes to Delay Switch to Digital TV

2009-02-04 Thread Mike Sloane
February 4, 2009, 5:01 pm House Votes to Delay Switch to Digital TV NY Times By Brian Stelter Television owners appear to have four more months to upgrade their old sets before they are rendered obsolete. The House of Representatives voted Wednesday to extend the transition to digital

Re: [CGUYS] political discussion

2009-02-04 Thread Tom Piwowar
Filtering on the word Approve Ours is Approves so you can just put a space after your Approve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at

Re: [CGUYS] Senior Computing [Was: political discussion]

2009-02-04 Thread Stephen Brownfield
I work with people with disabilities like CP, thus they often have trouble using a mouse. Some can use keyboard shortcuts and mousekeys, but almost all have had success with a Kensington ExpertMouse trackball. It has a nice size ball (about the size of a cue ball) and 4 programmable buttons.

Re: [CGUYS] Needlepoint

2009-02-04 Thread Sue Cubic
At 04:17 PM 02/04/2009 -0500, Tom Piwowar wrote Why not a Computerized Sewing and Embroidery Machine? I can tell you're not a true craftsperson. :) Sue * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives,

Re: [CGUYS] AVG updates.

2009-02-04 Thread katan
On Wed, 4 Feb 2009 16:12:02 -0500, Tom Piwowar wrote: I think I need to reinstall AVG on the XP half of my dual boot anyway. I always tell folks to avoid dual boot configs. Drives are cheap and two drives is the easiest way to make sure things don't get out of control. That may be so, but my

Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves

2009-02-04 Thread Jordan
b_s-wilk wrote: Medium-sized family-owned farms are the most efficient in the long-run. They get fewer subsidies [by %] than the large factory farms. Mid-sized farms not only have high yields, they also protect the land, with farmers living on the farms, unlike corporate farms. Corporate

Re: [CGUYS] Needlepoint

2009-02-04 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
There are not programs to print on the canvas that I know of but I think there are programs to print patterns for fabric. I do plastic Canvas. Stewart At 04:45 PM 2/4/2009, you wrote: At 04:17 PM 02/04/2009 -0500, Tom Piwowar wrote Why not a Computerized Sewing and Embroidery Machine? I

Re: [CGUYS] Needlepoint

2009-02-04 Thread Sue Cubic
At 06:18 PM 02/04/2009 -0500, Tom Piwowar wrote I'm insulted. Programming is a craft. That's why I find MS so revolting! I apologize. Most of my family are programmers, or have been at some point. I think of crafts as creating something tangible, but I see your point. I thought flow

Re: [CGUYS] Senior Computing [Was: political discussion]

2009-02-04 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
MS made one years ago called an Easy Ball. It was about 4 across. One of my old members is also a CP victim and can only use it as her movements are limited. Only problem, only one button. She has to have her sister there on a backup mouse with buttons when we do some work. Usually I just

[CGUYS] Sony Memory Stick Pro Duo Mk 2 data transfer speed ?

2009-02-04 Thread db
I have been trouble finding data on Sony's memory stick speeds ... particularly the above. It is supposed to be fast but I'd like to know how fast so I could consider buying a Lexar or Sandisk Memory Stick of the same R/W capability instead. Anyone know? db

Re: [CGUYS] Taxes and good life

2009-02-04 Thread db
ps: Basically, I think American's are spoiled rotten in general and are beginning to get their comeuppance and a lesson about priorities and the power and advantages of working together in an organized if imperfect fashion (ie: government) db John Emmerling wrote: Some general observations

Re: [CGUYS] Taxes and good life

2009-02-04 Thread Matthew Taylor
Yes, spoiled by liberty into thinking that liberty was a natural state of man. Something about self evident truths which I guess you think no longer apply. Matthew On Feb 4, 2009, at 9:08 PM, db wrote: Basically, I think American's are spoiled rotten in general and are beginning to get

Re: [CGUYS] Taxes and good life

2009-02-04 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
That statement by Jefferson in the Continuation is a real reflection of the Enlightenment teaching of the 17 and 18th century. Before this time the concept of liberty was very limited and only tot hose who had. Even in the US the early Fathers believed that only those who owned property

Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves

2009-02-04 Thread Matthew Taylor
On Feb 4, 2009, at 9:52 PM, Ralph wrote: But by providing a support structure for Hamas, you help perpetuate the suffering. As opposed to the good done with the billions of dollars supplied by U.S. taxpayers to kill Palestinians? Peace is possible the day the Palestinian people want to

Re: [CGUYS] Taxes and good life

2009-02-04 Thread Matthew Taylor
I think you meant to say the Declaration of Independence, rather than Constitution. Liberty does not, and has not always equalled the franchise. A compelling argument can be made that only those who have a permanent stake in a society, and who pay taxes to support it, ought to be able

Re: [CGUYS] Needlepoint

2009-02-04 Thread rleesimon
woah ...sensitive ;^) ...well, my wife does crafts and sells at juried shows ...she hates it when people come to her booth and say, well, we could get that at walmart cheaper! Nobody will ever know the hours of work and devotion she puts into her creations ...no price will ever be enough! On

[CGUYS] Audio transfer

2009-02-04 Thread chad evans wyatt
At the risk of incurring wrath by discussing something digital on this forum, I have a question:  I've used Audacity to transfer tape recording to digital, and the results are quite good.  However, in Mac I don't seem to have full access to the program's controls.  No complaints whatsoever