Re: [CGUYS] Laptop Hunters
How were they to move around all day? I've always wondered... On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 5:28 PM, Tom Piwowar wrote: > >Get with the program! the 20" iMac is much more practical... > > I spent the day working on several 24-inch iMacs. It was s nice. > > > * > ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** > ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** > * > * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] First Place? [Was: Not cool enough [was re: Laptop
The Wii and Xbox are less competitors and more companions. The reason the Wii numbers are so high? Yes it's cool, and different and all that, but it's also a LOT of users second game machine. It was never meant to compete with the xbox or ps 3. On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 8:41 PM, Chris Dunford wrote: > > Not only that but Netflix is allowing members to use a Xbox a lot > > like an Apple TV. > > > > Son in Law did that and loved it. He also uses it as his DVD player, > > no extra equipment. > > > > By the way on a 46" TV it looks awesome. > > It is indeed, I've seen it. > > You can even use it as a receiver/DVR for over-the-air HDTV (stick a > digital > TV tuner in a PC, then stream the signal over the home network to the Xbox, > where you use Media Extender to control playing and recording). Or watch HD > movies and network TV directly off the Internet via Xbox Live Video. It's > pretty cool stuff. > > > * > ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** > ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** > * > * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] What Does a President Give a Queen?
All this is said like it's a good thing...completely embarrassingspose it's better then the movies he gave the PM that he couldn't play. On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 10:50 PM, Eric S. Sande wrote: > Was she amused? > > > > * > ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** > ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** > * > * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] What Does a President Give a Queen?
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Re: [CGUYS] First Place? [Was: Not cool enough [was re: Laptop
> Not only that but Netflix is allowing members to use a Xbox a lot > like an Apple TV. > > Son in Law did that and loved it. He also uses it as his DVD player, > no extra equipment. > > By the way on a 46" TV it looks awesome. It is indeed, I've seen it. You can even use it as a receiver/DVR for over-the-air HDTV (stick a digital TV tuner in a PC, then stream the signal over the home network to the Xbox, where you use Media Extender to control playing and recording). Or watch HD movies and network TV directly off the Internet via Xbox Live Video. It's pretty cool stuff. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] First Place? [Was: Not cool enough [was re: Laptop
> > Video quality, audio quality, number of voices, smoothness and
> > responsiveness, connectivity, none of that irrelevant crap really
> > matters in gameplay.
>
> Yup - it is ultimately game play that sustains interest in a game
> system. The rest is chrome.
Well, according to Tom, it's not. It's something else, although he's rather
vague about exactly what that might be ("better design"). I think Wii is
cuter or something.
Maybe it's the lack of iPod support. Oh wait, that's Wii. Xbox supports iPod
directly, you just plug it in. Hmm. I'm back to cuteness.
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Re: [CGUYS] First Place? [Was: Not cool enough [was re: Laptop
Yup - it is ultimately game play that sustains interest in a game system. The rest is chrome. On Apr 1, 2009, at 10:04 PM, Chris Dunford wrote: Video quality, audio quality, number of voices, smoothness and responsiveness, connectivity, none of that irrelevant crap really matters in gameplay. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] First Place? [Was: Not cool enough [was re: Laptop
>You make my point. You dispute this view in PC v. Mac but endorse it in Xbox >v. Wii. The only thing that's consistent is that MS loses no matter what. You are having trouble following obvious logic. I think you are an autoresponder in need of better programming. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Targeting the kitchen,,,again
>http://blog.wired.com/gadgets/2009/03/kitchen-pcs-gai.html For $600 to $800 they have got to be kidding. We have already established that MS's customers won't spend that kind of money. Why are these units so expensive when we already have net books selling for $300? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] What Does a President Give a Queen?
*Depends on what kind of Queen, if you know what I mean. Given who asked the question, I'd say some kind of royal apple. Randall * On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 9:52 PM, Tom Piwowar wrote: > Hint: It is not a Zune. > > > * > ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** > ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** > * > * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Gmail Autopilot
>http://mail.google.com/mail/help/autopilot/index.html Just another pitiful attempt by Google to catch up with Microsoft. Microsoft has been testing its Live Mail Responder on the CGuys list for quite a while. Rather intensely in the last week. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] PC to Mac printing
>Which print server do you have or recommend for $30? I've used the Linksys PSUS4. It is $31. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] First Place? [Was: Not cool enough [was re: Laptop
Not only that but Netflix is allowing members to use a Xbox a lot like an Apple TV. Son in Law did that and loved it. He also uses it as his DVD player, no extra equipment. By the way on a 46" TV it looks awesome. Stewart At 09:04 PM 4/1/2009, you wrote: Absolutely. Video quality, audio quality, number of voices, smoothness and responsiveness, connectivity, none of that irrelevant crap really matters in gameplay. Who would think such a thing? *Totally* fooled the reviewers who said things like "hands down your best game console option". Morons. Didn't they see the logo? We get it, Tom. MS sucks. Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] First Place? [Was: Not cool enough [was re: Laptop
> I only brought up sales figures to give the > WFBs an opportunity to admit that sales numbers > are not what is important. Nope. Gotta love how you make stuff up. I brought up sales numbers, not you, and only because it's the only conceivable measure by which you could say that Xbox "lost" to Wii, and because this is totally inconsistent with your position on PC/Mac. Your inquiry, as I feel sure you will recall, had to do with quality, not with sales. > Except I would say that the quality of the Wii > is superior to the XBox. The MS product is just > more dumb iron. Absolutely. Video quality, audio quality, number of voices, smoothness and responsiveness, connectivity, none of that irrelevant crap really matters in gameplay. Who would think such a thing? *Totally* fooled the reviewers who said things like "hands down your best game console option". Morons. Didn't they see the logo? We get it, Tom. MS sucks. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] What Does a President Give a Queen?
Hint: It is not a Zune. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] 60 Minutes story on deadly computer virus
> Blissfully ignorant. Nope, just not hysterical. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] First Place? [Was: Not cool enough [was re: Laptop Hunters]
Some of those I do not use the others I cannot afford. Stewart At 07:26 PM 4/1/2009, you wrote: Uhhh...aren't we the target audience for Cialis and Viagra, Embril, Enablex, etc., ad nauseam! lol Donna Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] First Place? [Was: Not cool enough [was re: Laptop
The same with the PS3. Xbox made marketing smarts with the Netflixs deal. Stewart At 07:07 PM 4/1/2009, you wrote: >Anyway, it was Tom who made the initial comparison. I was just pointing out >that his conclusion conflicts with his verdict in the case of PC v. Mac. In >the case of computers, quality is what's important (so MS loses). In the >case of games, it's sales that are important (so MS loses). Except I would say that the quality of the Wii is superior to the XBox. I only brought up sales figures to give the WFBs an opportunity to admit that sales numbers are not what is important. Th Wii is superior because it is a better design and a more clever use of technology. The MS product is just more dumb iron. The design philosophy is that bigger, bulkier, and speedier is all that counts. Not creativity and brains. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] First Place? [Was: Not cool enough [was re: Laptop Hunters]
Uhhh...aren't we the target audience for Cialis and Viagra, Embril, Enablex, etc., ad nauseam! lol Donna In a message dated 4/1/2009 7:26:06 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, popoz...@earthlink.net writes: That's about right. Enjoy your golden years! Stewart At 06:00 PM 4/1/2009, you wrote: > > But yeah you are right, no one seems to market to us except AARP! > >Right, I forgot about them. AARP and the wheelie chair guys, Hoveround. Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 **New Low Prices on Dell Laptops – Starting at $399 (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1220631247x1201390185/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fad.doubl eclick.net%2Fclk%3B213540506%3B35046329%3Bx) * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Laptop Hunters
>Get with the program! the 20" iMac is much more practical... I spent the day working on several 24-inch iMacs. It was s nice. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] First Place? [Was: Not cool enough [was re: Laptop
> As WFBs constantly remind us, raw sales numbers > are all that counts. You make my point. You dispute this view in PC v. Mac but endorse it in Xbox v. Wii. The only thing that's consistent is that MS loses no matter what. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] First Place? [Was: Not cool enough [was re: Laptop
>Anyway, it was Tom who made the initial comparison. I was just pointing out >that his conclusion conflicts with his verdict in the case of PC v. Mac. In >the case of computers, quality is what's important (so MS loses). In the >case of games, it's sales that are important (so MS loses). Except I would say that the quality of the Wii is superior to the XBox. I only brought up sales figures to give the WFBs an opportunity to admit that sales numbers are not what is important. Th Wii is superior because it is a better design and a more clever use of technology. The MS product is just more dumb iron. The design philosophy is that bigger, bulkier, and speedier is all that counts. Not creativity and brains. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] First Place? [Was: Not cool enough [was re: Laptop
>Incidentally, no one cares about those of us who are over 50, so sales to we >nearly-dead don't count. We aren't in anyone's target demographic. Even >though we have all the money. :) Not true. One of my clients is a magazine whos circulation skews to the seniors. There are many businesses who are very interested in taking their money. If the stock market improves this interest will certainly increase. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] First Place? [Was: Not cool enough [was re: Laptop
>Their keyboards and mice are one of only two brands I will >buy. Logitech is the other one. And Keytronic? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] First Place? [Was: Not cool enough [was re: Laptop
>Well, you get the idea. So, the only way you could *possibly* say that Xbox >"lost out" to Wii is in terms of sales. Wii does sell more. Of course, it is >cheaper. As WFBs constantly remind us, raw sales numbers are all that counts. The XBox is a failure and MS loses $$$ on every unit sold. As a stockholder I'm furious. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] First Place? [Was: Not cool enough [was re: Laptop
The white or the little gray ones? :-) Stewart At 06:33 PM 4/1/2009, you wrote: >I like their mice. I do too. Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] First Place? [Was: Not cool enough [was re: Laptop
>I like their mice. I do too. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] FYI - Google's Gmail Autopilot(TM)
On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 12:46 PM, Tony B wrote: > Nope, nothing on iGoogle either for me. I just ran across another one > on the TechCrunch twitter - CHI.MP: > > http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/04/01/chimp-lets-you-own-and-keep-your-web-identity-all-in-one-place/ > > As with Autopilot, it's completely feasible. Hard to tell if it's a joke. > > > On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 10:56 AM, Chris Dunford > wrote: > >> What I can't figure out is: If this is just an April Fool's joke, how > >> was I supposed to know about it? I'd expect a blurb somewhere on my > >> gmail page. > > > > There is. Well, there is in mine, anyway. Right at the top, in red, next > to > > Settings: "New! Gmail Autopilot" > > I also got an article on the gmail sign in page this morning. NPR had a few good ones today. I like the cetation culture letters segment the best but banning animal team names was good as well. -- John Duncan Yoyo ---o) * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] 60 Minutes story on deadly computer virus
On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 7:48 AM, Jeff Wright wrote: > > Perhaps nothing happening would be the worst sign at all. One big > > silent > > bot net take over. > > Or, you know, nothing. > Blissfully ignorant. -- John Duncan Yoyo ---o) * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] First Place? [Was: Not cool enough [was re: Laptop Hunters]
That's about right. Enjoy your golden years! Stewart At 06:00 PM 4/1/2009, you wrote: > But yeah you are right, no one seems to market to us except AARP! Right, I forgot about them. AARP and the wheelie chair guys, Hoveround. Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] First Place? [Was: Not cool enough [was re: Laptop Hunters]
> But yeah you are right, no one seems to market to us except AARP! Right, I forgot about them. AARP and the wheelie chair guys, Hoveround. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Audacity problem
Switch to the "Line In" jack on your sound card and see if that helps. David Turk wrote: (we're using the microphone jack on the back of the PC). T david * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] First Place? [Was: Not cool enough [was re: Laptop Hunters]
Well I don't know about all the money plus I am not yet an empty nester. But yeah you are right, no one seems to market to us except AARP! Stewart At 02:48 PM 4/1/2009, you wrote: > WII seems to be outselling any of the gamer type machines right now, > but I think that is because your non typical buyer is standing in > line to buy it. (read over 50 years old) Incidentally, no one cares about those of us who are over 50, so sales to we nearly-dead don't count. We aren't in anyone's target demographic. Even though we have all the money. :) Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] First Place? [Was: Not cool enough [was re: Laptop Hunters]
> Comparing the Xbox with the WII is not a fair comparison. > > They serve different purposes and really are aimed at two different > groups. I think it's just as fair as comparing an iMac to an HP laptop, don't you? :) Anyway, it was Tom who made the initial comparison. I was just pointing out that his conclusion conflicts with his verdict in the case of PC v. Mac. In the case of computers, quality is what's important (so MS loses). In the case of games, it's sales that are important (so MS loses). * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] First Place? [Was: Not cool enough [was re: Laptop Hunters]
> WII seems to be outselling any of the gamer type machines right now, > but I think that is because your non typical buyer is standing in > line to buy it. (read over 50 years old) Incidentally, no one cares about those of us who are over 50, so sales to we nearly-dead don't count. We aren't in anyone's target demographic. Even though we have all the money. :) * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Audacity problem
Bad cable or connection? You didn't say what it sounds like on the PC. Does a mic plugged in there sound okay? On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 2:24 PM, David Turk wrote: > We've been using Audacity for several months now to capture audio from a > reel-to-reel, with good results. Today, all we seem to get is a low-level > recording with lots of hiss. Listening to the audio through headphones > attached to the reel-to-reel sounds fine. I've tried several different > setting on both the r-t-r output & Audacity preferences, but no luck. I've > gone into the PC Control Panel to make sure all the input levels were checked > (we're using the microphone jack on the back of the PC). The r-t-r weighs > about 40 lb., so before I try using it on another computer, any thoughts? > tia. > * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] Audacity problem
We've been using Audacity for several months now to capture audio from a reel-to-reel, with good results. Today, all we seem to get is a low-level recording with lots of hiss. Listening to the audio through headphones attached to the reel-to-reel sounds fine. I've tried several different setting on both the r-t-r output & Audacity preferences, but no luck. I've gone into the PC Control Panel to make sure all the input levels were checked (we're using the microphone jack on the back of the PC). The r-t-r weighs about 40 lb., so before I try using it on another computer, any thoughts? tia. david David Turk Manager, Preservation Imaging Services Indiana Historical Society Eugene and Marilyn Glick Indiana History Center 450 W. Ohio St. Indianapolis, IN 46202 (317) 232-4592 dt...@indianahistory.org * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] PC to Mac printing
>I think I've checked all the appropriate boxes, allowed all the >appropriate permissions, I've tried Bonjour, I've turned off both >firewalls. And yet I still can't print from my PC to my Mac's printer. >I've googled this and read at least 50 articles and nothing seems to >work. Is it possible to print from a PC to a Mac wirelessly (Airport >Extreme N)? I can print the other way (Mac to PC) without difficulty. >Please help. This is often such a mess to configure that I usually just spend the $30 for a hardware print server or connect through a router or WiFi AP that has a printer port. Which print server do you have or recommend for $30? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Not cool enough [was re: Laptop Hunters]
I may have misspelled, but Realty TV is not very real either!! :-) Stewart At 01:10 PM 4/1/2009, you wrote: > Next thing you will tell me is that Realty TV is real! :-) > Realty TV is real, but reality TV isn't. :) * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] First Place? [Was: Not cool enough [was re: Laptop Hunters]
Comparing the Xbox with the WII is not a fair comparison. They serve different purposes and really are aimed at two different groups. The X-Box is a gamers machine with a HD and all sorts of graphic capabilities. The WII is a family machine that serves many roles and many purposes. My in laws (Both in their 70's) bought one and use it for WII Fit and some skill games. We bought one for the same purpose. My son bought a Playstation 3. My son-in-law has an Xbox WII seems to be outselling any of the gamer type machines right now, but I think that is because your non typical buyer is standing in line to buy it. (read over 50 years old) Stewart (Who just purchased a WII Fit setup this week.) At 12:57 PM 4/1/2009, you wrote: > > One box has superior specs, better reviews, and higher customer > > satisfaction ratings. The other one is cheaper and sells more. > > Where do you get your figures? I looked on amazon, and the > Wii had better customer satisfaction ratings there than any of the > Xbox models. That also seems to be the general understanding > on the tech sites I visit. I can't remember where I saw it; it was a while ago. However, it was a poll (a real one, not a web site poll) rather than customer-submitted feedback, so I would tend to trust it more. In any event, there's no question on the specs and not much of one about the reviews. Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Not cool enough [was re: Laptop Hunters]
> Next thing you will tell me is that Realty TV is real! :-) > Realty TV is real, but reality TV isn't. :) * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Not cool enough [was re: Laptop Hunters]
> Apple computers are all over the place in TV police/crime dramas. > Product placement. Federal officials are constantly shown staring at > Macintosh computer screens. Their presence in these shows always > amuses me because if there is one brand of computer that is, in > reality, virtually non-existent in government work, especially law > enforcement, it is Apple. '24' is an exception to this, at least in some cases (I don't watch it much). If you look at their big screen surveillance-type displays you'll see a Vista task bar at the bottom. Not sure if that counts as a paid product placement, though. It's probably too subtle for MS to have paid for it. I was amused once to spot the icon of a program that I wrote a lot of. The company that owns the product joked that they were going to add an "As Seen on '24'" graphic to the product web site. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] First Place? [Was: Not cool enough [was re: Laptop Hunters]
> > One box has superior specs, better reviews, and higher customer > > satisfaction ratings. The other one is cheaper and sells more. > > Where do you get your figures? I looked on amazon, and the > Wii had better customer satisfaction ratings there than any of the > Xbox models. That also seems to be the general understanding > on the tech sites I visit. I can't remember where I saw it; it was a while ago. However, it was a poll (a real one, not a web site poll) rather than customer-submitted feedback, so I would tend to trust it more. In any event, there's no question on the specs and not much of one about the reviews. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Not cool enough [was re: Laptop Hunters]
> Get real! Nobody is stupid enough to think that John Hodgman really is > a > PC and Justin Long really is a Mac! Are they? "Mac" and "PC" are > caricatures. Cute and funny, too. > > "Lauren" is presented as a "real person" but she's not. She claims, or > her character claims to shop at an Apple Store. She doesn't. "Lauren" > probably doesn't realize that a 17" notebook is hardly portable either. > Our HP notebook is more of a desktop replacement. I wouldn't want to > lug > it around. OTOH, I take my MacBook to meetings and to friends' places > often, but not quite as often since I got the iPod Touch. > > If she had been serious about a notebook she would have looked for a > really portable one, not a desktop replacement that's too big and bulky > to carry around, and too clunky to replace a decent desktop. BTW, ever > see how awful the resolution is on that bargain notebook? She can use > the cash she saved to pay an optometrist and buy glasses. I was wondering how much more "HEY! LOOK OVER THERE!" we would get out of the Mac camp and lo, I'm not disappointed one bit. The commercial had one, simple premise: if you have a budget of $1,000 and 17" laptop is your target device, you are out of luck with Apple. (That reminds me of the old adage, "If you have to ask the price..."). That's it. Nothing special and gosh, why yes!, they did pick this configuration on purpose to hit Apple, hard, where it lives, in the snobosphere. I think most people could have accepted this and moved on with their lives, but no, we instead get a 4-day Rave of dancing around the facts. *This* is truly E*N*T*E*R*T*A*I*N*I*N*G. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Targeting the kitchen,,,again
Next thing you know they will talk to us! :-) Sort of like Eureka! Stewart At 12:37 PM 4/1/2009, you wrote: At 12:53 PM 4/1/2009 -0400, you wrote: Stylish, Touchscreen 'Kitchen PCs' Set to Grab Consumers http://blog.wired.com/gadgets/2009/03/kitchen-pcs-gai.html Very KEWL! I always wanted someone to invent a computer about this size that could be installed flat under glass in a countertop, with a pull-out shelf underneath for keyboard. Sue * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Not cool enough [was re: Laptop Hunters]
Next thing you will tell me is that Realty TV is real! :-) Stewart At 11:49 AM 4/1/2009, you wrote: Apple computers are all over the place in TV police/crime dramas. Product placement. Federal officials are constantly shown staring at Macintosh computer screens. Their presence in these shows always amuses me because if there is one brand of computer that is, in reality, virtually non-existent in government work, especially law enforcement, it is Apple. Steve Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Targeting the kitchen,,,again
At 12:53 PM 4/1/2009 -0400, you wrote: Stylish, Touchscreen 'Kitchen PCs' Set to Grab Consumers http://blog.wired.com/gadgets/2009/03/kitchen-pcs-gai.html Very KEWL! I always wanted someone to invent a computer about this size that could be installed flat under glass in a countertop, with a pull-out shelf underneath for keyboard. Sue * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Not cool enough [was re: Laptop Hunters]
On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 11:46 AM, Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote: > That is called branding. > > When was the last time you watched a Movie? I mean really closely. > > Notice how many different brands are noticeable either with the characters > using them or the Logo being front and center. (Bond Movies are notorious > for this.) > > Companies pay big monies to have their logo plastered in a movie and be > identified with something. > > Yes even Apple does this too. Apple computers are all over the place in TV police/crime dramas. Product placement. Federal officials are constantly shown staring at Macintosh computer screens. Their presence in these shows always amuses me because if there is one brand of computer that is, in reality, virtually non-existent in government work, especially law enforcement, it is Apple. Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] First Place? [Was: Not cool enough [was re: Laptop Hunters]
One box has superior specs, better reviews, and higher customer satisfaction ratings. The other one is cheaper and sells more. Where do you get your figures? I looked on amazon, and the Wii had better customer satisfaction ratings there than any of the Xbox models. That also seems to be the general understanding on the tech sites I visit. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] FYI - Google's Gmail Autopilot(TM)
Nope, nothing on iGoogle either for me. I just ran across another one on the TechCrunch twitter - CHI.MP: http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/04/01/chimp-lets-you-own-and-keep-your-web-identity-all-in-one-place/ As with Autopilot, it's completely feasible. Hard to tell if it's a joke. On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 10:56 AM, Chris Dunford wrote: >> What I can't figure out is: If this is just an April Fool's joke, how >> was I supposed to know about it? I'd expect a blurb somewhere on my >> gmail page. > > There is. Well, there is in mine, anyway. Right at the top, in red, next to > Settings: "New! Gmail Autopilot" * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] Targeting the kitchen,,,again
Stylish, Touchscreen 'Kitchen PCs' Set to Grab Consumers http://blog.wired.com/gadgets/2009/03/kitchen-pcs-gai.html * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Not cool enough [was re: Laptop Hunters]
You're surprised that the sponsor of an ad would tell you who he is and what his product is? I interpret the meaning of "touting" as telling you what is so great about it, not just flashing a product name. I repeat, for the nth time, MS is not directly selling Windows here. They are indirectly, by convincing you to buy a PC laptop. Certainly, you are aware that MS earns almost all of its revenue from Windows on preinstalled PCs, not from folks who say, "Gee, I like the looks of that there Vista; I think I will go out and by me a copy to upgrade my XP" (THOSE are your MS Fanboys) And, as I said before, this ad is targeted at people who don't give a damn about what OS comes with the machine or are complacent about getting yet another Windows PC. It's Apple's job to convince them otherwise. And their "I'm a PC" are very effective. phartz...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 11:01 AM, Steve at Verizon wrote: Actually, MS is in no way touting their operating system in this commercial, which is aimed at an audience which is indifferent to operating systems (hard to believe for this newsgroup there are so many of them out there) and are just looking for an inexpensive laptop. I saw the ad only once, but do not remember any discussion of Windows or how great it is. There is the MS logo prominently displayed three times in the ad, and "Windows" is also displayed. Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Not cool enough [was re: Laptop Hunters]
Again, I agree with you. If you quickly recognized that the ad was for those who wanted a laptop and were on a budget, and you weren't, then you rightly should have tuned it out. Snyder, Mark - IdM (IS) wrote: That is fine, but when did advertising start using linear logical proofs? I was referring to human nature, so when an ad caters to women, I stop paying attention because I'm not female. Doesn't apply to me; only women. Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- You got it. The ad says, if you are on a budget. You are correct that it says nothing about if you are not on a budget, therefore nothing about the converse. Your placement of the ONLY at the start of the sentence claims the converse. That is why I am correcting your statement. It does not say Only if you are on a tight budget, etc. Again, I am only addressing logical statements (as a long ago math teacher) and nothing about the value of MA or Apple products. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] FYI - Google's Gmail Autopilot(TM)
>> What I can't figure out is: If this is just an April Fool's joke, how >> was I supposed to know about it? I'd expect a blurb somewhere on my >> gmail page. It's an April Fools joke. They do one every year. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Not cool enough [was re: Laptop Hunters]
That is called branding. When was the last time you watched a Movie? I mean really closely. Notice how many different brands are noticeable either with the characters using them or the Logo being front and center. (Bond Movies are notorious for this.) Companies pay big monies to have their logo plastered in a movie and be identified with something. Yes even Apple does this too. MS was touting that it is a bargain in this time of tight monies. It's logo being plastered all over the ad is what they aimed at. When you think saving money think MS. Actually it was a good marketing approach in this time of tight monies. Stewart At 10:27 AM 4/1/2009, you wrote: On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 11:01 AM, Steve at Verizon wrote: > Actually, MS is in no way touting their operating system in this commercial, > which is aimed at an audience which is indifferent to operating systems > (hard to believe for this newsgroup there are so many of them out there) and > are just looking for an inexpensive laptop. I saw the ad only once, but do > not remember any discussion of Windows or how great it is. There is the MS logo prominently displayed three times in the ad, and "Windows" is also displayed. Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Not cool enough [was re: Laptop Hunters]
On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 11:01 AM, Steve at Verizon wrote: > Actually, MS is in no way touting their operating system in this commercial, > which is aimed at an audience which is indifferent to operating systems > (hard to believe for this newsgroup there are so many of them out there) and > are just looking for an inexpensive laptop. I saw the ad only once, but do > not remember any discussion of Windows or how great it is. There is the MS logo prominently displayed three times in the ad, and "Windows" is also displayed. Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Not cool enough [was re: Laptop Hunters]
> That is fine, but when did advertising start using linear logical > proofs? This has dragged on way too long, but the answer is, "When you claim that MS is telling us the only reason to buy PCs is that they're cheap." * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Not cool enough [was re: Laptop Hunters]
That is fine, but when did advertising start using linear logical proofs? I was referring to human nature, so when an ad caters to women, I stop paying attention because I'm not female. Doesn't apply to me; only women. Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- You got it. The ad says, if you are on a budget. You are correct that it says nothing about if you are not on a budget, therefore nothing about the converse. Your placement of the ONLY at the start of the sentence claims the converse. That is why I am correcting your statement. It does not say Only if you are on a tight budget, etc. Again, I am only addressing logical statements (as a long ago math teacher) and nothing about the value of MA or Apple products. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Not cool enough [was re: Laptop Hunters]
Actually, MS is in no way touting their operating system in this commercial, which is aimed at an audience which is indifferent to operating systems (hard to believe for this newsgroup there are so many of them out there) and are just looking for an inexpensive laptop. I saw the ad only once, but do not remember any discussion of Windows or how great it is. Of course, we here all know the reason MS wants you to buy a PC. Snyder, Mark - IdM (IS) wrote: What other ads does MS have out touting their OS? Do they tout anything else? Advertisements build brand; MS seems to be going for the Wal-Mart image in this one. Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- Why are you insisting that a single ad has to cover all possible reasons to do something? If a car commercial (I know how you love car analogies) talks about gas mileage, does that imply that the only reason to buy the car is that it gets good mileage? Obviously it does not. It's just the subject of that particular ad. This particular ad is for people who are on a budget; the next one could be entirely different. Note that the campaign title is "Laptop Hunters" (plural), not "Laptop Hunter". Presumably there will be more than one; and, as I already mentioned (and you seem to have ignored), there are other MS ads currently running that have nothing to do with budgets. Your assertion makes no sense at all. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] FYI - Google's Gmail Autopilot(TM)
> What I can't figure out is: If this is just an April Fool's joke, how > was I supposed to know about it? I'd expect a blurb somewhere on my > gmail page. There is. Well, there is in mine, anyway. Right at the top, in red, next to Settings: "New! Gmail Autopilot" * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Not cool enough [was re: Laptop Hunters]
You got it. The ad says, if you are on a budget. You are correct that it says nothing about if you are not on a budget, therefore nothing about the converse. Your placement of the ONLY at the start of the sentence claims the converse. That is why I am correcting your statement. It does not say Only if you are on a tight budget, etc. Again, I am only addressing logical statements (as a long ago math teacher) and nothing about the value of MA or Apple products. Snyder, Mark - IdM (IS) wrote: That is not logical. The ad says if you are on a budget. So if I am not on a budget, it says nothing to me. This is not mathematical logical; it is human nature. Advertising pays attention to human nature. Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- Yes, that is true. What I am seeing, that is not in the ad, is the statement "_Only_ if you are on a tight budget would you want to buy hardware with an MS operating system". What I do see is "_If_ you are on a tight budget, etc" Didn't you take logic in some math course where you learned the differences between A if B, A only if B, A if and only if B? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] FYI - Google's Gmail Autopilot(TM)
What I can't figure out is: If this is just an April Fool's joke, how was I supposed to know about it? I'd expect a blurb somewhere on my gmail page. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] Gmail Autopilot
Have you seen Gmail's Autopilot? Finally, something I really need. If only... http://mail.google.com/mail/help/autopilot/index.html Be sure to follow all the links for a thorough explanation of CADIE. Richard P. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] FYI - Google's Gmail Autopilot(TM)
Well said! I was thinking the same thing but didn't want to start another "debate". Richard P. > FYI, Gmail now includes Autopilot(TM) settings to make email easier. There > are examples and an FAQ. Is it possible that recent postings on this list > were the results of pre-release field testing? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] FYI - Google's Gmail Autopilot(TM)
FYI, Gmail now includes Autopilot(TM) settings to make email easier. There are examples and an FAQ. Is it possible that recent postings on this list were the results of pre-release field testing? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Not cool enough [was re: Laptop Hunters]
It certainly fortifies and rallies the WfBs to spout nonsense! Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- Do you hear that sound? It's the sound of a million rending souls in the snobosphere. Please, Microsoft, make many, many more of these commercials. It's like a dog whistle for pretension. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Not cool enough [was re: Laptop Hunters]
> What other ads does MS have out touting their OS? Do > they tout anything else? I already answered this. They currently have several ads with little kids showing how easy and quick it is to do stuff like making panoramas and enhancing/mailing pictures. They just finished the "I'm a PC" series. You may or may not like these, and they may or may not be very good ads, but they disprove your assertion. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] 60 Minutes story on deadly computer virus
> Perhaps nothing happening would be the worst sign at all. One big > silent > bot net take over. Or, you know, nothing. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Not cool enough [was re: Laptop Hunters]
> What other ads does MS have out touting their OS? Do they tout > anything > else? Advertisements build brand; MS seems to be going for the Wal- > Mart > image in this one. Do you hear that sound? It's the sound of a million rending souls in the snobosphere. Please, Microsoft, make many, many more of these commercials. It's like a dog whistle for pretension. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Not cool enough [was re: Laptop Hunters]
What other ads does MS have out touting their OS? Do they tout anything else? Advertisements build brand; MS seems to be going for the Wal-Mart image in this one. Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- Why are you insisting that a single ad has to cover all possible reasons to do something? If a car commercial (I know how you love car analogies) talks about gas mileage, does that imply that the only reason to buy the car is that it gets good mileage? Obviously it does not. It's just the subject of that particular ad. This particular ad is for people who are on a budget; the next one could be entirely different. Note that the campaign title is "Laptop Hunters" (plural), not "Laptop Hunter". Presumably there will be more than one; and, as I already mentioned (and you seem to have ignored), there are other MS ads currently running that have nothing to do with budgets. Your assertion makes no sense at all. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Laptop Hunters
> I'm thinking of Holy Grail, where the questers ask the French, "Who > will > join us in our quest for the Holy Grail?" John Cleese, in his > ridiculous > French accent, leans over the castle wall and responds that they > already > have one, then bends down to his confreres and says, "I told them we > already > had one!" and they all start laughing. > > I have a vision of Tom leaning over to whomever it is that he leans > over to > and saying, "I told them Lauren should've gotten an iMac to take to > class!", > followed by everyone clutching their sides and dissolving in gales of > hilarity. You may have a point. He does smell of elderberries and has a tendency to taunt. Actually, Tom being French explains almost everything. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Not cool enough [was re: Laptop Hunters]
> That is not logical. The ad says if you are on a budget. > So if I am not on a budget, it says nothing to me. This > is not mathematical logical; it is human nature. > Advertising pays attention to human nature. Why are you insisting that a single ad has to cover all possible reasons to do something? If a car commercial (I know how you love car analogies) talks about gas mileage, does that imply that the only reason to buy the car is that it gets good mileage? Obviously it does not. It's just the subject of that particular ad. This particular ad is for people who are on a budget; the next one could be entirely different. Note that the campaign title is "Laptop Hunters" (plural), not "Laptop Hunter". Presumably there will be more than one; and, as I already mentioned (and you seem to have ignored), there are other MS ads currently running that have nothing to do with budgets. Your assertion makes no sense at all. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Not cool enough [was re: Laptop Hunters]
That is not logical. The ad says if you are on a budget. So if I am not on a budget, it says nothing to me. This is not mathematical logical; it is human nature. Advertising pays attention to human nature. Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- Yes, that is true. What I am seeing, that is not in the ad, is the statement "_Only_ if you are on a tight budget would you want to buy hardware with an MS operating system". What I do see is "_If_ you are on a tight budget, etc" Didn't you take logic in some math course where you learned the differences between A if B, A only if B, A if and only if B? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Laptop Hunters
> > > > Seriously, this is funnier than Monty Python's old Ministry of > > > > Arguments sketch. > > > > > > No, it isn't! > > > > > Yes, it is. > > Oh look, this isn't an argument. It occurred to me last night that there's another Python bit that's even more on point than the argument sketch. I'm thinking of Holy Grail, where the questers ask the French, "Who will join us in our quest for the Holy Grail?" John Cleese, in his ridiculous French accent, leans over the castle wall and responds that they already have one, then bends down to his confreres and says, "I told them we already had one!" and they all start laughing. I have a vision of Tom leaning over to whomever it is that he leans over to and saying, "I told them Lauren should've gotten an iMac to take to class!", followed by everyone clutching their sides and dissolving in gales of hilarity. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
