Re: [CGUYS] Revealed Truth

2009-05-16 Thread Jeff Wright
Objective commentators There is no such thing. What you describe are people whose stated conclusions match yours beliefs. See confirmation bias. Also see partisan ideologue. * ** List info, subscription management,

Re: [CGUYS] Revealed Truth

2009-05-16 Thread Jordan
While it _can_ be interesting to discuss hypotheticals and philosophy, you can also look at actual studies of society. It's all the rage in this country to rave about our high taxes, but one can read about what studies show a healthy society looks like. This is the latest study by the OECD

Re: [CGUYS] Revealed Truth

2009-05-16 Thread David K Watson
The Nation magazine has been completely dependent on a wealthy benefactor since it started publishing 100 years ago. It has yet to make one dime of profit on its own and would have gone out of business decades ago otherwise. Just to provide a slight correction and a little context here,

[CGUYS] Alpha vs Google

2009-05-16 Thread Tom Piwowar
http://news.cnet.com/8301-17939_109-10242260-2.html I was surprised at how dull Alpha was. In contrast a Google search is often the beginning of an adventure in learning. Google gives me lots of hits that reprensent different options and viewpoints. I get serependitious hits that teach me new

Re: [CGUYS] Revealed Truth

2009-05-16 Thread Tom Piwowar
That base is not nearly as broad as that of The Nation, many whose supporters are not wealthy. Thank you. Why am I not surprised that I was being mislead? Maybe the cons/neocons predilection for enhanced interrogarion comes from their knowledge that they would otherwise never tell the truth.

Re: [CGUYS] Revealed Truth

2009-05-16 Thread mike
So the choice is to read one mag who supports enhanced interrogation, or one that thought Joe was a great guy when he was killing as many as 20,000 Russians a month? On Sat, May 16, 2009 at 11:01 AM, Tom Piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: That base is not nearly as broad as that of The Nation, many

Re: [CGUYS] Revealed Truth

2009-05-16 Thread Tom Piwowar
So the choice is to read one mag who supports enhanced interrogation, or one that thought Joe was a great guy when he was killing as many as 20,000 Russians a month? Those evil Ruskies are out to get us! OMG there's one under your bed!!

Re: [CGUYS] TinEye.com

2009-05-16 Thread Tom Piwowar
Interesting tool... Reverse lookup for images! Give it an image, and it can tell you the source. http://tineye.com/ It doesn't really tell you the source. It shows other places on the web where that image is used. This could be a stock agency, which could validly be called a source, but it is

Re: [CGUYS] Revealed Truth

2009-05-16 Thread Tom Piwowar
How do you budget for finding a new energy source? Would we have electric light bulbs if Edison would have been on a budget? I know he probably funded it himself, but after the first 100 tries he'd cut himself off we'd be sitting in the dark. And I think fusion research is about a million

Re: [CGUYS] Chrome for Mac almost ready?

2009-05-16 Thread Jordan
I'm continuing to use Chromium on my MacBook Pro. I downloaded the latest build this morning. I've got a half dozen or so tabs going from my weather source. It seems to work perfectly but Activity Monitor doesn't like something about it. I seem to remember reading that this browser keeps each

Re: [CGUYS] Revealed Truth

2009-05-16 Thread Jeff Wright
Thank you. Why am I not surprised that I was being mislead? Gosh, I didn't memorize their founding date and they possibly made a profit 4 out of 144 years. Go on Tom, put on The Who's Won't Get Fooled Again and crank it up. You've clearly earned it.

Re: [CGUYS] Chrome for Mac almost ready?

2009-05-16 Thread Tom Piwowar
I seem to remember reading that this browser keeps each tab in a separate sandbox so that if there is a problem on one tab/window, that tab or window can crash without effecting the others. If I am recalling correctly, it would explain why there are as many Chromiums under Process Name in

Re: [CGUYS] Revealed Truth

2009-05-16 Thread mike
Think of those massive profits Al Gore has been racking up..and all those watermelons who back him...GE stands to make a lot of that cash the Big O is printing for our own little Weimar. On Sat, May 16, 2009 at 12:42 PM, Tom Piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: Think of those massive profits that

Re: [CGUYS] Revealed Truth

2009-05-16 Thread mike
We'll start with Soros and Buffetweird how the super rich are lefties On Sat, May 16, 2009 at 1:33 PM, Tom Piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rz1b__MdtHY Long, but worth watching all the way through At the end Bill Black starts calling it a fundamental moral

Re: [CGUYS] Revealed Truth

2009-05-16 Thread Jeff Miles
Wow, I agree with Jeff W on something. Good scientists are the only truly objective people I've ever met. They are skeptical of everything and everyone. Jeff M On May 16, 2009, at 6:58 AM, Jeff Wright wrote: Objective commentators There is no such thing. What you describe are

Re: [CGUYS] Revealed Truth

2009-05-16 Thread David K Watson
So the choice is to read one mag who supports enhanced interrogation, or one that thought Joe was a great guy when he was killing as many as 20,000 Russians a month? I think that you have been confusing The Nation with The New Republic. The New Republic was was generally quite pro-soviet until

Re: [CGUYS] Revealed Truth

2009-05-16 Thread Jeff Miles
What? As an American, where is it my, or our job to protect Russians by performing torture on others who aren't attacking the USA? Sorry, but my feelings are that torture is torture. Try and rename it and rationalize it all you want. It still, with our history of wars and trials, a war

Re: [CGUYS] Revealed Truth

2009-05-16 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
Yes but two wrights made an airplane. Lets bring this back to technology. As area that most people will agree Americans tend to excel in and over rely on. Stewart At 06:19 PM 5/16/2009, you wrote: If someone brings up 9/11, remember that old saying, 2 wrongs don't make a right.

Re: [CGUYS] Revealed Truth

2009-05-16 Thread Matthew Taylor
The problem is the legal reasoning that says it was not torture is quite sound - the key being that as I understand it we did nothing that we do not do to our own servicemen in the resistance portion of SERE (Survival, Evasion, Resistance, and Escape) training. If the assumption is that

Re: [CGUYS] Revealed Truth

2009-05-16 Thread Tom Piwowar
As area that most people will agree Americans tend to excel in and over rely on. I hate to be disagreeable, but this is no longer something we excel at. While propaganda from the greedy corporations that stole our Internet will try to lull you into a false feeling of excellence, these days I

[CGUYS] Have you seen this net?

2009-05-16 Thread Matthew Taylor
When did you last see it? What do you mean by stole it anyway? When did we have our internet that we now do not have and was taken from us by illicit means? Matthew On May 16, 2009, at 8:08 PM, Tom Piwowar wrote: greedy corporations that stole our Internet

Re: [CGUYS] Revealed Truth

2009-05-16 Thread Jeff Wright
This suggests an easy solution for paying for current financial bailouts. Arrest several hundred multi-billionaires and strip them of their ill-gotten assets, just like is currently being done with Madoff. That should net a few $trillion in spare change. Without enforcement of moral hazard

Re: [CGUYS] Have you seen this net?

2009-05-16 Thread Jeff Wright
When did you last see it? What do you mean by stole it anyway? When did we have our internet that we now do not have and was taken from us by illicit means? I have it. It's in my basement. The League of Extraordinary Robber Barons asked me to hold onto to it for a couple days while their

Re: [CGUYS] Alpha vs Google

2009-05-16 Thread John Duncan Yoyo
It couldn't find my home town. It isn't that small. It might be useful as part of a dogpile.com search result where they look at a bunch of search engines. On Sat, May 16, 2009 at 1:56 PM, Tom Piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: http://news.cnet.com/8301-17939_109-10242260-2.html I was surprised

Re: [CGUYS] Revealed Truth

2009-05-16 Thread Jeff Miles
Wow, a true convert and believer in the neocon shell game. Where's the truth? Jeff M On May 16, 2009, at 1:39 PM, mike wrote: Think of those massive profits Al Gore has been racking up..and all those watermelons who back him...GE stands to make a lot of that cash the Big O is printing

Re: [CGUYS] Revealed Truth

2009-05-16 Thread Jeff Miles
Interesting. I never thought of Buffet as a lefty, but rather a realist. This is something that turns me away from politics. If you don't believe my way you're either a neocon or a lefty. Whatever happened to independent thinkers? I believe many are out there, but one party or the other

Re: [CGUYS] Revealed Truth

2009-05-16 Thread Jeff Miles
Yes, I've heard this argument, and it's stupid. Because we torture our own servicemen and call it training doesn't change what it is. However, it is a good game. I wonder how many other definitions we can change to suit our legal needs? Jeff M On May 16, 2009, at 4:52 PM, Matthew Taylor

Re: [CGUYS] Have you seen this net?

2009-05-16 Thread Sue Cubic
At 08:41 PM 5/16/2009 -0400, you wrote: When did you last see it? What do you mean by stole it anyway? When did we have our internet that we now do not have and was taken from us by illicit means? I have it. It's in my basement. The League of Extraordinary Robber Barons asked me to hold

Re: [CGUYS] Revealed Truth

2009-05-16 Thread Matthew Taylor
The law in an ass, and always has been as it is an imperfect creation of an imperfect institution put in pl;ace by imperfect beings. Nevertheless, the law determines what is legal. Either you argue that every POTUS, ever chairman of the Joint Cheifs, and much of the senior command staff

Re: [CGUYS] Revealed Truth

2009-05-16 Thread b_s-wilk
That base is not nearly as broad as that of The Nation, many whose supporters are not wealthy. Thank you. Why am I not surprised that I was being mislead? Maybe the cons/neocons predilection for enhanced interrogarion comes from their knowledge that they would otherwise never tell the truth.

Re: [CGUYS] Revealed Truth

2009-05-16 Thread Jeff Miles
And so legally you twist the definition because certain members of the military agreed to have it done to them with their training. What contract did the prisoners at Guantanamo(sp) sign? And what about the law against any contract under duress? The argument is BS. Jeff M On May 16,