Re: [CGUYS] Obsolete consumer products...

2010-01-18 Thread phartz...@gmail.com
On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 2:48 AM, mike xha...@gmail.com wrote: Not all players are alike...even the ipod will play lossless files.  Other players on the market also have better sound than the ipod, and play FLAC or other lossless formats.  It's all digital so it doesn't really make any

Re: [CGUYS] Obsolete consumer products...

2010-01-18 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
Constance, I am not a professional but very much an amateur. I have some very good SLR's but at this point cant afford a DSLR. However even professionals used point and shoots and even Polaroids to do pre work. My dad (whose old exackta I have) even had point and shoots for the everyday

Re: [CGUYS] Obsolete consumer products...

2010-01-18 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
Talk about lowering ones standards. Stewart At 08:07 AM 1/18/2010, you wrote: While I can agree with your basic point about digitized music, the difference is in how one listens to that music and what they use to listen to it. A few years ago, the minimum defacto standard for listening to

Re: [CGUYS] Obsolete consumer products...

2010-01-18 Thread Chris Dunford
-Compact digital cams..just because DSLR is getting cheaper doesn't mean these little point and shoots are going anywhere. Yeah. DSLRs don't fit very well in a tiny purse, plus they're overkill for most people, who only want to take snapshots. Even DSLR owners mostly have point-and-shoots for

Re: [CGUYS] Obsolete consumer products...

2010-01-18 Thread phartz...@gmail.com
On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 9:29 AM, Rev. Stewart Marshall popoz...@earthlink.net wrote: Constance, I am not a professional but very much an amateur. I have some very good SLR's but at this point cant afford a DSLR. However even professionals used point and shoots and even Polaroids to do pre

Re: [CGUYS] Obsolete consumer products...

2010-01-18 Thread Constance Warner
Better lossless formats and better MP3 players, to fully replace CD's? Well, perhaps. But if you're the agent for one of the classical groups that's looking for a job, would you take a chance on emailing the potential employer a digital file, of ANY format? Do you really think the

Re: [CGUYS] Obsolete consumer products...

2010-01-18 Thread mike
You completely bipass the portable cassette player. Not exactly the high end of audio devices. On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 7:07 AM, phartz...@gmail.com phartz...@gmail.comwrote: On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 2:48 AM, mike xha...@gmail.com wrote: Not all players are alike...even the ipod will play

Re: [CGUYS] Obsolete consumer products...

2010-01-18 Thread Chris Dunford
Pretty much true. Ashton Kutcher selling Nikons tells me that Nikon has lowered their sights to target the lowest common denominators amongst us. Ditto for Maria Sharapova and Canon. Nothing like getting the word from sex symbols. Who knew they were also camera experts? That's true,

Re: [CGUYS] Obsolete consumer products...

2010-01-18 Thread mike
The average comsumer will not...but someone whose business is music should be educated enough to know. On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 8:27 AM, Constance Warner cawar...@his.com wrote: And I kind of doubt that the average consumer is going to educate himself/herself on the comparative quality of

Re: [CGUYS] Obsolete consumer products...

2010-01-18 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
Reel to reel used to be the gold standard. LP's came next then other tape formats. 8tracks and cassettes were seen as consumer level formats to get it into the hands of the great unwashed. Still Reel to Reel and LP was seen as much superior. MP3 is equivalent to the cassette and 8track.

Re: [CGUYS] Obsolete consumer products...

2010-01-18 Thread phartz...@gmail.com
On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 10:38 AM, Chris Dunford seed...@gmail.com wrote: That's true, but Canon has ALSO been running a lot of ads for their new DSLR (the one that can shoot HD video). That dude, with lens, will set you back $3,500. Yeah, but how many megapixels does it have? That's all

Re: [CGUYS] Obsolete consumer products...

2010-01-18 Thread Constance Warner
I totally agree--it's the photographer, not the fancy equipment, that makes the picture. Witness, for example, the cult of the Holga, a toy camera from China that comes in a wide variety of colors and retails for around $30. The Holga has quite a following among professional

Re: [CGUYS] Obsolete consumer products...

2010-01-18 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
The great misnomer. Megapixels is not the whole equation. I have been told there are two other parts of this. Lens quality (glass versus plastic, manufacturer etc.) and CCD. The size and quality of the CCD is almost just as important. The CCD's in phones are small and not very HQ. One of

Re: [CGUYS] Obsolete consumer products...

2010-01-18 Thread mike
I believe he was being ironical. On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 9:03 AM, Rev. Stewart Marshall revsamarsh...@earthlink.net wrote: The great misnomer. Megapixels is not the whole equation. I have been told there are two other parts of this. Lens quality (glass versus plastic, manufacturer etc.)

Re: [CGUYS] Obsolete consumer products...

2010-01-18 Thread Chris Dunford
I totally agree--it's the photographer, not the fancy equipment, that makes the picture. Witness, for example, the cult of the Holga, a toy camera from China that comes in a wide variety of colors and retails for around $30. The Holga has quite a following among professional photographers,

Re: [CGUYS] Obsolete consumer products...

2010-01-18 Thread Constance Warner
The lens--that's the most critical part. You want a manufacturer with a good reputation for glass--reviews are generally available online. Generally, a company that's produced photographic equipment for many years will give you a better shot at getting a decent lens. --Constance On Jan

Re: [CGUYS] Obsolete consumer products...

2010-01-18 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
Zeiss, Kreuznach, Nikkor etc. Stewart At 10:32 AM 1/18/2010, you wrote: The lens--that's the most critical part. You want a manufacturer with a good reputation for glass--reviews are generally available online. Generally, a company that's produced photographic equipment for many years will

Re: [CGUYS] Obsolete consumer products...

2010-01-18 Thread Constance Warner
Not really. Many persons in the music business are experts on the music per se, and not necessarily on computer technology. For example, the person who auditions the classical music groups (whom I talked about in a previous email) was an accomplished orchestra and chamber music musician,

Re: [CGUYS] Dump adobe reader

2010-01-18 Thread tjpa
On Jan 17, 2010, at 4:50 PM, D Freye wrote: I want to dump adobe reader and replace it with a program that NEVER calls home or even asks unless I suggest it. Any ideas? Would it not be better to keep Reader and block its bad habits. These days so many programs phone home that it is a

Re: [CGUYS] Obsolete consumer products...

2010-01-18 Thread Chris Dunford
Canon 5D Mark II. Gizmodo rates it Officially Awesome. Of course, Gizmodo's not a photography site, but it does look pretty awesome. -Original Message- From: Computer Guys Discussion List [mailto:computerguy...@listserv.aol.com] On Behalf Of mike Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010

Re: [CGUYS] Obsolete consumer products...

2010-01-18 Thread Fred Holmes
One of the real problems with today's point and shoot cameras is shutter lag -- the time delay between pushing the button and taking the picture. Even if you press half-way and hold, there is still significant shutter delay. This is a real problem if you are trying to take ad hoc (un-posed,

Re: [CGUYS] Obsolete consumer products...

2010-01-18 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
Fred you will get no argument from me on those issues. But it still is the point how many Point and Click photographers even know or care about those items? Stewart At 12:52 PM 1/18/2010, you wrote: One of the real problems with today's point and shoot cameras is shutter lag -- the time

Re: [CGUYS] Obsolete consumer products...

2010-01-18 Thread Chris Dunford
Fred you will get no argument from me on those issues. But it still is the point how many Point and Click photographers even know or care about those items? I think a lot of point--shoot picture takers are very much aware of shutter delay. They may not understand it, or really know what

Re: [CGUYS] Obsolete consumer products...

2010-01-18 Thread John Emmerling
I am the worst sort of point-and-click photographer. Sometimes the only camera I have available is my el-cheapo Samsung Glyde. The delay on this thing is longer than the time it took last week's earthquake to destroy Port-au-Prince. Annoying as heck. On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 2:22 PM, Rev.

Re: [CGUYS] Obsolete consumer products...

2010-01-18 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
Because they do not know how to take pictures. I have taken my point and click cameras to Bristol and have gotten some nice shots without a hitch. You take pictures of fast moving objects a lot like you fire a gun at them, lead them I get a kick out of the films I see where you

Re: [CGUYS] Obsolete consumer products...

2010-01-18 Thread Mike Sloane
Most cameras these days have sensors and will fire the flash if the light level is low. You have to manually defeat the flash if you don't want it. Mike Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote: Because they do not know how to take pictures. I have taken my point and click cameras to Bristol and have

[CGUYS] digital camera shutter lag

2010-01-18 Thread Tony B
I'll argue it. I've only owned two cheap (~$100) digital cameras - a Kodak and a Panasonic and neither had any shutter lag at all. The few earlier cameras that had this problem got a lot of press. Fred you will get no argument from me on those issues. One of the real problems with today's point

Re: [CGUYS] Obsolete consumer products...

2010-01-18 Thread mike
How is bluray just a marketing tool? On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 2:10 PM, betty b1sun...@yahoo.es wrote: DVDs CDs - CDs, yes, DVDs no. There's no reliable replacement for DVDs. Over-priced, over-hyped Blu-Ray disks are a marketing tool, not an answer.

Re: [CGUYS] digital camera shutter lag

2010-01-18 Thread Sue Cubic
At 04:45 PM 1/18/2010, you wrote: I'll argue it. I've only owned two cheap (~$100) digital cameras - a Kodak and a Panasonic and neither had any shutter lag at all. The few earlier cameras that had this problem got a lot of press. Shutter lag is a problem with my Nikon Coolpix. But I bought

Re: [CGUYS] Obsolete consumer products...

2010-01-18 Thread Fred Holmes
I'm not taking pictures of fast moving objects. I'm just trying to take a picture of unposed people at a wedding or some other party or gathering. By the time the shutter fires, good expressions have gone to bad ones, and heads have turned so that the face is no longer at a good angle or even

Re: [CGUYS] Obsolete consumer products...

2010-01-18 Thread Marcio
You can make them do both, flash when it is not necessary and not flash when it is. Easy to regulate. Marcio -Original Message- From: Mike Sloane mikeslo...@verizon.net Sent: Jan 18, 2010 7:42 PM To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Obsolete consumer products...

Re: [CGUYS] Obsolete consumer products...

2010-01-18 Thread Marcio
The Leica C Lux 3 has a Quick Auto Focus that works fine when you need it. I am very happy with it. Marcio -Original Message- From: Fred Holmes f...@his.com Sent: Jan 18, 2010 9:16 PM To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Obsolete consumer products... I'm not taking

Re: [CGUYS] Obsolete consumer products...

2010-01-18 Thread Constance Warner
Wow. When I taught Shakespeare, the required texts (my choice) were five cheap mass-market paperbacks! (But then, you can't hire Shakespeare to write an extra act for King Lear or Macbeth, to make a new and more expensive edition.) Even when I taught speech (not my choice of textbook),

Re: [CGUYS] Obsolete consumer products...

2010-01-18 Thread mike
The great classes are the ones that require you to buy the book the teacher wrote himself. On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 9:47 PM, Constance Warner cawar...@his.com wrote: Wow. When I taught Shakespeare, the required texts (my choice) were five cheap mass-market paperbacks! (But then, you can't