Re: [CGUYS] Apple Will Not Provide Safari 2.0.2, or 2.0.3, or 2
Sorry - Opera 9.24 and Safari 2.04. On Nov 1, 2007, at 3:53 PM, Tom Piwowar wrote: FWIW using the test Tom's post referenced below. Because this is a moving target you need to tell us which software build you were testing. * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Apple Will Not Provide Safari 2.0.2, or 2.0.3, or 2
FWIW using the test Tom's post referenced below. Opera: CSS Selectors Is your browser compatible? From the 43 selectors 25 have passed, 3 are buggy and 15 are unsupported (Passed 346 out of 578 tests) Safari: CSS Selectors Is your browser compatible? From the 43 selectors 21 have passed, 7 are buggy and 15 are unsupported (Passed 336 out of 578 tests) On Oct 28, 2007, at 2:34 PM, Tom Piwowar wrote: The problem with Safari is that it fails to meet accepted standards with regard to rendering of HTML, support for the HTTP protocol, etc. You mean like being the first browser to pass the W3C's ACID2 test? www.webstandards.org/2005/10/31/we-love-to-see-you-smile/ But that was 2 years ago, how about now? See the front page at www.css3.info (October 21,2007)... FF3 does not do well with many of the new selectors... which Safari does. Start educating yourself at developer.apple.com/internet/safari/ * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Apple Will Not Provide Safari 2.0.2, or 2.0.3, or 2
FWIW using the test Tom's post referenced below. Because this is a moving target you need to tell us which software build you were testing. Then we will chime in with Oh that is old, there was a new build released 15 minutes ago. * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Apple Will Not Provide Safari 2.0.2, or 2.0.3, or 2
I'm using the Safari 3.0b beta. It passes the ACID2 compliance test. It's JavaScript implementation is not up to that of FireFox, however. I avoid JavaScript because it is so inconsistent across browsers and may be turned off by the user for security reasons. I have found that a combination of CSS and server-side programming largely eliminates the need for JavaScript. * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Apple Will Not Provide Safari 2.0.2, or 2.0.3, or 2
Tom's last post cost me some time in research. You cost me some time too, but it was a labor of love. compliance began with Mac OS v10.4.3. As I believe this is a very recent release, my experience has probably been with earlier versions. No. Current release is 10.4.10, with 10.4.11 expected in a few days. Most Mac owners auto update so should be current. Even those doing manual updates should be well past 10.4.3. The only stragglers will be those who never upgraded to Tiger. I'm not sure which version of Safari they are stuck at. The OP should probably go ahead and start using the Safari 3.x beta. It looks as though it's stable enough for daily use. Safari 3 beta is working on CSS3 compliance, which nobody has got right yet. * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Apple Will Not Provide Safari 2.0.2, or 2.0.3, or 2
Tom Piwowar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The OP should probably go ahead and start using the Safari 3.x beta. It looks as though it's stable enough for daily use. Safari 3 beta is working on CSS3 compliance, which nobody has got right yet. Unfortunately, this leaves the OP's question unanswered. * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Apple Will Not Provide Safari 2.0.2, or 2.0.3, or 2
At 3:11 PM + 10/28/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snippage] The problem with Safari is that it fails to meet accepted standards with regard to rendering of HTML, support for the HTTP protocol, etc. I'm using the Safari 3.0b beta. It passes the ACID2 compliance test. It's JavaScript implementation is not up to that of FireFox, however. -- Roger Lovettsville, VA * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Apple Will Not Provide Safari 2.0.2, or 2.0.3, or 2
Alvin Auerbach asked: I had Safari 2.0.4 installed on my iMac G5. I installed Safari 3 Beta over it. I liked it, but had some problems. I trashed it and went back to Safari 2.0 from my original install disks. Apple Software Update did not update Safari 2.0 to 2.0.4. That is right. Safari 2.0.4 is only available on the latest OS X.4 install DVD or via Software Update. If you run the OptionalInstalls.mpkg you will have it as an option. I think the issue is that certain versions of Safari depend on having certain versions of OS X. Software updater is supposed to handle this. If this is not working right try running Disk Utility first to verify/repair the drive and then repair permissions. Then update OS X if necessary and run Updater again to see if it gives you the Safari update. (Works for me.) jemmerling opined: Don't waste your time with Safari, it's a bad browser. I will spare you a diatribe on just how bad it is. No Safari is not a bad browser. It is different in some respects from somebody else's favorite browser, but that does not make it bad. Having a variety of browsers available is good (for a lot of reasons). * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
