Re: [CGUYS] TinyURLs [Was: Re: [CGUYS] FCC wants to measure]
At one time they recommended this for AOL users. My Eudora will usually follow a broken link. What I also like is that with a false link, I can place my mouse over it, and see the true link in Eudora. Tells me when I have a false link. Stewart At 02:33 PM 3/13/2010, you wrote: While long naked URLs are broken in Thunderbird, the link will be preserved if the URL is wrapped in < >, and this is the case for every email program I've heard of. Example: with < > <http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/03/12/AR2010031203974.html?hpid=sec-tech> without < > http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/03/12/AR2010031203974.html?hpid=sec-tech So, aside from cases where there are character limits like twitter, it is actually easier to not use URL shorteners. On Mar 12, 2010, at 11:24 PM, COMPUTERGUYS-L automatic digest system wrote: > Date:Fri, 12 Mar 2010 17:41:06 -0500 > From:Robert Carroll > Subject: Re: TinyURLs [Was: Re: [CGUYS] FCC wants to measure] > > John Emmerling wrote: >> What real purpose does tinyurl really serve nowadays? Don't >> up-to-date mail readers handle URLs of any arbitrary length with no >> problem? >> > I'm using Mozilla Thunderbird for email. Very long web addresses are > broken when they wrap around to the next line. > * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] TinyURLs [Was: Re: [CGUYS] FCC wants to measure]
While long naked URLs are broken in Thunderbird, the link will be preserved if the URL is wrapped in < >, and this is the case for every email program I've heard of. Example: with < > <http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/03/12/AR2010031203974.html?hpid=sec-tech> without < > http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/03/12/AR2010031203974.html?hpid=sec-tech So, aside from cases where there are character limits like twitter, it is actually easier to not use URL shorteners. On Mar 12, 2010, at 11:24 PM, COMPUTERGUYS-L automatic digest system wrote: > Date:Fri, 12 Mar 2010 17:41:06 -0500 > From:Robert Carroll > Subject: Re: TinyURLs [Was: Re: [CGUYS] FCC wants to measure] > > John Emmerling wrote: >> What real purpose does tinyurl really serve nowadays? Don't >> up-to-date mail readers handle URLs of any arbitrary length with no >> problem? >> > I'm using Mozilla Thunderbird for email. Very long web addresses are > broken when they wrap around to the next line. > * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] TinyURLs [Was: Re: [CGUYS] FCC wants to measure]
Please define "burned". What happened? Did your hard drive melt? How is this "burned" experience different from the supposedly innocent URL you sent this week, http://tinyurl.com/X ? No, they don't, in fact many wrap at 72 characters. Actually tinyurls and similar services can be safer with preview features than a supposed safe looking URL with a hidden link. Of course the safest approach is not to click on links from folks you do not know. I suggest that few have gotten burned either with a tinyurl or the entire link on this list regardless of how adversarial things become. Besides once someone on this list does burn others, that individual's reputation is shot, so if for example I use some browser like "links" or turn off script running... * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] TinyURLs [Was: Re: [CGUYS] FCC wants to measure]
On 03/12/2010 03:06 PM, John Emmerling wrote: > What real purpose does tinyurl really serve nowadays? Don't > up-to-date mail readers handle URLs of any arbitrary length with no > problem? No, they don't, in fact many wrap at 72 characters. Actually tinyurls and similar services can be safer with preview features than a supposed safe looking URL with a hidden link. Of course the safest approach is not to click on links from folks you do not know. I suggest that few have gotten burned either with a tinyurl or the entire link on this list regardless of how adversarial things become. Besides once someone on this list does burn others, that individual's reputation is shot, so if for example I use some browser like "links" or turn off script running in browsers and only use non-privileged accounts with browsers any threat is limited indeed. My habit of using Linux also makes things aimed at Windows weaknesses less of a problem too. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] TinyURLs [Was: Re: [CGUYS] FCC wants to measure]
John Emmerling wrote: What real purpose does tinyurl really serve nowadays? Don't up-to-date mail readers handle URLs of any arbitrary length with no problem? I'm using Mozilla Thunderbird for email. Very long web addresses are broken when they wrap around to the next line. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] TinyURLs [Was: Re: [CGUYS] FCC wants to measure]
Yup it is a little older than Twitter. It came about when url's tended to be a little wordy. Stewart At 04:11 PM 3/12/2010, you wrote: Actually I think it came about to ease the problem of urls breaking in emails. On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 2:22 PM, Roger D. Parish wrote: > At 3:06 PM -0500 3/12/10, John Emmerling wrote: > > Today, I think anybody can be excused for being paranoid. _Esp._ with >> respect to wide-open domains like .tv. >> >> What real purpose does tinyurl really serve nowadays? Don't >> up-to-date mail readers handle URLs of any arbitrary length with no >> problem? >> > > I think the URL-shortning service became popular when Twitter, with its > 140-character limit on message size, took off in popularity. > -- > Roger > Lovettsville, VA > > > > * > ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** > ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** > * > * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] TinyURLs [Was: Re: [CGUYS] FCC wants to measure]
Actually I think it came about to ease the problem of urls breaking in emails. On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 2:22 PM, Roger D. Parish wrote: > At 3:06 PM -0500 3/12/10, John Emmerling wrote: > > Today, I think anybody can be excused for being paranoid. _Esp._ with >> respect to wide-open domains like .tv. >> >> What real purpose does tinyurl really serve nowadays? Don't >> up-to-date mail readers handle URLs of any arbitrary length with no >> problem? >> > > I think the URL-shortning service became popular when Twitter, with its > 140-character limit on message size, took off in popularity. > -- > Roger > Lovettsville, VA > > > > * > ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** > ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** > * > * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] TinyURLs [Was: Re: [CGUYS] FCC wants to measure]
At 3:06 PM -0500 3/12/10, John Emmerling wrote: Today, I think anybody can be excused for being paranoid. _Esp._ with respect to wide-open domains like .tv. What real purpose does tinyurl really serve nowadays? Don't up-to-date mail readers handle URLs of any arbitrary length with no problem? I think the URL-shortning service became popular when Twitter, with its 140-character limit on message size, took off in popularity. -- Roger Lovettsville, VA * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] TinyURLs [Was: Re: [CGUYS] FCC wants to measure]
Twitter and rick-rolls! On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 1:06 PM, John Emmerling wrote: > Today, I think anybody can be excused for being paranoid. _Esp._ with > respect to wide-open domains like .tv. > > What real purpose does tinyurl really serve nowadays? Don't > up-to-date mail readers handle URLs of any arbitrary length with no > problem? > > On 3/12/10, b_s-wilk wrote: > >> With all the protections I have these days (UAC, Spybot immunize, safe > > > Are shortened URLs really that scary??? BOOO! What's the real risk > > that Something Wonderful turns out to be not so wonderful? Close the > window. > > > > > * > ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** > ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** > * > * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] TinyURLs [Was: Re: [CGUYS] FCC wants to measure]
Today, I think anybody can be excused for being paranoid. _Esp._ with respect to wide-open domains like .tv. What real purpose does tinyurl really serve nowadays? Don't up-to-date mail readers handle URLs of any arbitrary length with no problem? On 3/12/10, b_s-wilk wrote: >> With all the protections I have these days (UAC, Spybot immunize, safe > Are shortened URLs really that scary??? BOOO! What's the real risk > that Something Wonderful turns out to be not so wonderful? Close the window. > * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] FCC wants to measure
Wingnuts of any kind are still wingnuts. Let them just fly away. Stewart At 12:22 PM 3/12/2010, you wrote: On Mar 12, 2010, at 12:09 PM, mike wrote: I'm not blasting the Obama government on this, just government waste in general. Kinda like the 70k? plus in debit cards that disappeared during katrina. ...but if we are honest there are pallets of money literally (remember iraq) that disappear. But that was wing nuts driving around with palettes of $100s. I would have thought you would be for that. An efficient redistribution of wealth to those who are already wealthy. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] FCC wants to measure
The difference is I think they are all wingnuts, you only think half are. On Mar 12, 2010 11:29 AM, "tjpa" wrote: On Mar 12, 2010, at 12:09 PM, mike wrote: > > > I'm not blasting the Obama government on this, just government waste in > > general. Kinda like t... > katrina. ...but if we are honest there are pallets of money literally > (remember > iraq) that disappear. > But that was wing nuts driving around with palettes of $100s. I would have thought you would be for that. An efficient redistribution of wealth to those who are already wealthy. * ** List info, subscrip... * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] FCC wants to measure
On Mar 12, 2010, at 12:09 PM, mike wrote: I'm not blasting the Obama government on this, just government waste in general. Kinda like the 70k? plus in debit cards that disappeared during katrina. ...but if we are honest there are pallets of money literally (remember iraq) that disappear. But that was wing nuts driving around with palettes of $100s. I would have thought you would be for that. An efficient redistribution of wealth to those who are already wealthy. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] TinyURLs [Was: Re: [CGUYS] FCC wants to measure]
With all the protections I have these days (UAC, Spybot immunize, safe browsing warnings, etc), I don't feel the need for this, but if you must you can see where these shortened links go before you click on them. https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/8636 . Equivalents available in other browsers too. TinyURLs always give me the heebies. You can *claim* it's for Something > Wonderful when the TinyURL actually points to something nefarious. > You need an add-on for this? As Art said, for tinyurl.com, you add "preview" for preview.tinyurl.com. Or go to http://untiny.me/ and insert the shortened URL. I use http://is.gd which needs only an ending hypen to get a preview, as in http://is.gd/amyeC- . Is.gd is easy to remember and easy to type too Thank goodness for tiny countries like Grenada and Tuvalu to give us these domains--can they profit from this?. BTW, Art's URL example, http://tinyurl.com/X gets you to a real site for unicycling. Are shortened URLs really that scary??? BOOO! What's the real risk that Something Wonderful turns out to be not so wonderful? Close the window. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] FCC wants to measure
I'm not blasting the Obama government on this, just government waste in general. Kinda like the 70k? plus in debit cards that disappeared during katrina. You can google zip codes don't exist recovery.gov and hit multiple sites about the problem. Some is probably simple paperwork etc...but if we are honest there are pallets of money literally (remember iraq) that disappear. On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 9:54 AM, Chris Dunford wrote: > > Except much of that money shows up in zip codes or counties that don't > > exist. No, not all of it...but a lot. > > Mike, can you quantify this? How much is "much"? You're sorta making it > sound like most of the money shown on the site is bogus. I'm not clear on > your thinking here--are you saying that the map is > intentionally bogus, or that "much" of the money shown on the map isn't > real, or that the web site is poorly managed, or what? > > It's worth noting, by the way, that recovery.gov's map is based on reports > submitted by the recipients of the loans, grants, and contracts, so it's > subject to errors in those reports (as well as to > data entry errors, of course). And, since there's no penalty for failing to > file the required report, there is in all likelihood a lot of money that > isn't on the map at all. > > > * > ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** > ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** > * > * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] FCC wants to measure
> Except much of that money shows up in zip codes or counties that don't > exist. No, not all of it...but a lot. Mike, can you quantify this? How much is "much"? You're sorta making it sound like most of the money shown on the site is bogus. I'm not clear on your thinking here--are you saying that the map is intentionally bogus, or that "much" of the money shown on the map isn't real, or that the web site is poorly managed, or what? It's worth noting, by the way, that recovery.gov's map is based on reports submitted by the recipients of the loans, grants, and contracts, so it's subject to errors in those reports (as well as to data entry errors, of course). And, since there's no penalty for failing to file the required report, there is in all likelihood a lot of money that isn't on the map at all. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] FCC wants to measure
Except much of that money shows up in zip codes or counties that don't exist. No, not all of it...but a lot. On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 8:10 AM, tjpa wrote: > On Mar 11, 2010, at 9:40 PM, phartz...@gmail.com wrote: > >> Well, okay then. If you prefer the UNtinyurl, here it is. I was >> just trying to be helpful. >> > > I feel better getting the full URL. > > This is not a brilliant move by the FCC. It is just ordinary smartness. It > only looks brilliant because the FCC and other agencies have been so badly > run in the past. > > Take a look at Recovery.gov for another example of smart. You can enter > your zip code and get a very nice map of your neighborhood that shows where > Recovery money is being spent. There are color coded dots for different > kinds of projects. You can click on the dots to get details on the who got > the money, how much, an estimate of jobs created, etc. The map is even > better than Google's. > > Government only works poorly when it is run by wing nuts who hate America. > They put tremendous effort into making government fail to serve the people. > In my book they are traitors and terrorists. > > > > * > ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** > ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** > * > * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] FCC wants to measure
On Mar 11, 2010, at 9:40 PM, phartz...@gmail.com wrote: Well, okay then. If you prefer the UNtinyurl, here it is. I was just trying to be helpful. I feel better getting the full URL. This is not a brilliant move by the FCC. It is just ordinary smartness. It only looks brilliant because the FCC and other agencies have been so badly run in the past. Take a look at Recovery.gov for another example of smart. You can enter your zip code and get a very nice map of your neighborhood that shows where Recovery money is being spent. There are color coded dots for different kinds of projects. You can click on the dots to get details on the who got the money, how much, an estimate of jobs created, etc. The map is even better than Google's. Government only works poorly when it is run by wing nuts who hate America. They put tremendous effort into making government fail to serve the people. In my book they are traitors and terrorists. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] TinyURLs [Was: Re: [CGUYS] FCC wants to measure]
On 03/11/2010 10:59 PM, Reid Katan wrote: > In this case though, I gave Steve the benefit of the doubt and followed > his TinyURL. Nothing spammy about it. In fact, go straight to the FCC > site: if folks are really paranaoid, every tinyurl created can have the phrase "preview" inserted in the URL like for example: http://tinyurl.com/X http://preview.tinyurl.com/ Please note the URLs above are nulls as far as I can determine. If you click on them, I accept no responsibility, I wouldn't, they're examples Depending upon your browser settings with tinyurl, it will either display what the tinyurl URL resolves to or a preview of the page in your browser and please note it's definitely your choice on how you configure your browser to react to tinyurl.com. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] TinyURLs [Was: Re: [CGUYS] FCC wants to measure]
With all the protections I have these days (UAC, Spybot immunize, safe browsing warnings, etc), I don't feel the need for this, but if you must you can see where these shortened links go before you click on them. https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/8636 . Equivalents available in other browsers too. TinyURLs always give me the heebies. You can *claim* it's for Something > Wonderful when the TinyURL actually points to something nefarious. > * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] TinyURLs [Was: Re: [CGUYS] FCC wants to measure]
Quoting John DeCarlo : Sounds like a spam email to me. Especially with the tinyurl. On Thu, Mar 11, 2010 at 8:33 PM, phartz...@gmail.com wrote: http://tinyurl.com/yet2zns TinyURLs always give me the heebies. You can *claim* it's for Something Wonderful when the TinyURL actually points to something nefarious. Perhaps if one wishes to point to something on this list with a TinyURL, they ought to also add the not-so-tiny-URL also. In this case though, I gave Steve the benefit of the doubt and followed his TinyURL. Nothing spammy about it. In fact, go straight to the FCC site: * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] FCC wants to measure
On Thu, Mar 11, 2010 at 9:09 PM, John DeCarlo wrote: > Sounds like a spam email to me. > > Especially with the tinyurl. Well, okay then. If you prefer the UNtinyurl, here it is. I was just trying to be helpful. http://www.wired.com/epicenter/2010/03/fcc-broadband-test/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+wired%2Findex+(Wired%3A+Index+3+(Top+Stories+2)) Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] FCC wants to measure
Sounds like a spam email to me. Especially with the tinyurl. On Thu, Mar 11, 2010 at 8:33 PM, phartz...@gmail.com wrote: > The FCC Wants You to Test Your Broadband Speeds > > The FCC is asking the nation’s broadband and smartphone users to use > their broadband testing tools to help the feds and consumers know what > speeds are actually available, not just promised by the nations’ > telecoms. > > http://tinyurl.com/yet2zns > > > * > ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** > ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** > * > -- John DeCarlo, My Views Are My Own * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] FCC wants to measure
The FCC Wants You to Test Your Broadband Speeds The FCC is asking the nation’s broadband and smartphone users to use their broadband testing tools to help the feds and consumers know what speeds are actually available, not just promised by the nations’ telecoms. http://tinyurl.com/yet2zns * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
