In many situations you have to.
When generators need to be up they will even change the oil while it
is running.
Stewart
At 01:40 AM 8/9/2009, you wrote:
I really don't get this. Applying a patch to a working OS isn't the
same as adding oil to a running engine. You probably shouldn'
Quoting Jeff Miles :
On Aug 8, 2009, at 3:55 AM, Reid Katan wrote:
That's funny. Every time my MacBook updates, it tells me I've got
to shut down. No choice in the matter, whether I want to do it now,
I really don't get this. Applying a patch to a working OS isn't the
same as addin
I really don't get this. Applying a patch to a working OS isn't the
same as adding oil to a running engine. You probably shouldn't do that
either. So what's the big deal with a restart? On my Mac it's probably
a good thing, since I haven't restarted in a week or more.
Jeff M
On Aug 8, 20
Quoting TPiwowar :
On Aug 8, 2009, at 6:55 AM, Reid Katan wrote:
That's funny. Every time my MacBook updates, it tells me I've got
to shut down. No choice in the matter, whether I want to do it now,
I suggest moving your lips as you read or maybe reading aloud. I wrote
"That's not Apple any
Jeff Wright wrote:
Every right winger like yourself has a stronger reality distortion field.
Now go back to your worship of Dick and Sara and leave the rational
discussion to others.
You know Jordan, I want to be nice to you, I really do.
I an truly blessed!
But then, you shoot your mou
On Aug 8, 2009, at 6:55 AM, Reid Katan wrote:
That's funny. Every time my MacBook updates, it tells me I've got
to shut down. No choice in the matter, whether I want to do it now,
or wait 'till later. I can't find the Start Button, so it *must* be
OSX.
I suggest moving your lips as you rea
> Every right winger like yourself has a stronger reality distortion field.
> Now go back to your worship of Dick and Sara and leave the rational
> discussion to others.
You know Jordan, I want to be nice to you, I really do. But then, you shoot
your mouth off with such blinding, illiterate and
Jeff Wright wrote:
Except this isn't true. You constantly talk derisively about the
people you are supposed to support and save the greater portion on
your spleen for those who are best able to do their work with Macs.
That is what makes it an issue.
I don't think I've ever known anyone wi
> Except this isn't true. You constantly talk derisively about the
> people you are supposed to support and save the greater portion on
> your spleen for those who are best able to do their work with Macs.
> That is what makes it an issue.
Let's get one thing clear right now. I don't "constantly"
> That's funny. Every time my MacBook updates, it tells me I've got to
> shut down. No choice in the matter, whether I want to do it now, or
> wait 'till later. I can't find the Start Button, so it *must* be OSX.
Tom also never moves off of v. 1.0 of his applications.
Those later versions are jus
> Except this isn't true. You constantly talk derisively about the
> people you are supposed to support and save the greater portion on
> your spleen for those who are best able to do their work with Macs.
> That is what makes it an issue.
I don't think I've ever known anyone with such a strong re
Quoting "t.piwowar" :
On Aug 6, 2009, at 9:40 PM, Jeff Wright wrote:
You can expect it all you want. *All* OSes have patches that need to be
applied and hardware should have its firmware at the latest spec at least
annually.
A properly engineered OS does not need to be restarted when patches
On Aug 6, 2009, at 9:40 PM, Jeff Wright wrote:
You can expect it all you want. *All* OSes have patches that need
to be
applied and hardware should have its firmware at the latest spec at
least
annually.
A properly engineered OS does not need to be restarted when patches
are applied. That
On Aug 7, 2009, at 8:30 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote:
I have three HP's and two Epsons with scanners on them (All in ones)
and I much prefer the output I get from the Epsons than the HP's
Epson scanners are probably the best made today. Alas, the market for
scanners keeps shrinking.
**
On Aug 7, 2009, at 8:23 PM, Mark A. Metz wrote:
I guess my point is that if the intention of the listserv is to
provide computer users a forum for asking questions, like the
"Computer Guys and Gal" show, then novices exposed to heated
platform discussions to the point of expletives might not
On Aug 6, 2009, at 8:34 PM, Jeff Wright wrote:
Maybe, just maybe, I respect the idea that you know better about
your business needs than I do and don't deign to look down my nose
at your choices and question your intelligence. Too bad that
courtesy isn't a 2-way street with the Mac zealots.
I agree with you.
I have three HP's and two Epsons with scanners on them (All in ones)
and I much prefer the output I get from the Epsons than the HP's
I scan in a lot of Hymnal pages and the scans from the Epson look so
much better.
Stewart
At 07:23 PM 8/7/2009, you wrote:
That's funny.
If you have a choice, get a better scanner with real drivers. HP has awful
drivers. If you can find a generic open source driver that works, use it.
That's funny. I heard that same retort almost verbatim from someone before,
a Mac person by the way. I'll take the Professional Mode scanner int
"Mark A. Metz" escribió:
Thanks for the link to the article on the DC Bus iPhone app (Cavan
any relation?). I use the Fairfax Connector so it doesn't help for
me, but I'm sure it is advantageous for some. I used the
commuterpages with my WM phone (free), but it doesn't seem to be
supporte
> I expect servers to have zero downtime. That is nothing to crow
> about.
You can expect it all you want. *All* OSes have patches that need to be
applied and hardware should have its firmware at the latest spec at least
annually.
What you expect is kinda irrelevant.
> The servers I have her
> As a scientist and a user of both platforms (I am not an IT person. I'm an
> untrained geek.), I don't give much credence to anecdotal information. I
> can usually match anecdote for anecdote with users on either platform.
You sound far too reasonable and rational, Mark. You won't last long h
This scientist will hold his judgment until somebody
comes up with some objective, substantiated, repeatable data.
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> Our businesses involve work other than IT. Your business is IT. Ours
> isn't. What's your point?
My company is not in the business of IT either. It uses technology to
accomplish its goals, which I support. What's your point?
> If we need a tech support, it significantly cuts into our bottom
> Jeff, To believe that the two of you maintain 99.99% uptime in a
> MS-shop, I must conclude that the computers are doing bare-bones
> functions. My current project involves a few dozen servers (100K+ users
> all over the US), mostly windows, and those servers need rebooting or
> services restart
> It's your job to provide IT/network support.
Yeah? So what?
Tom's point was that he would have to hire additional staff to handle PCs.
Your experience notwithstanding, my experience proves him decidedly wrong.
Our businesses involve work other than IT. Your business is IT. Ours
isn't.
On Aug 6, 2009, at 7:35 AM, Jeff Wright wrote:
Yep. Only 2 locations have servers. We've had zero network downtime
(excepting the 6 year old server our financial system was on--I had
been
warning my boss for over a year that it needed to be replaced) and
the only
downtime is for maintenance
Jeff, To believe that the two of you maintain 99.99% uptime in a
MS-shop, I must conclude that the computers are doing bare-bones
functions. My current project involves a few dozen servers (100K+ users
all over the US), mostly windows, and those servers need rebooting or
services restarted at leas
> Pretty good, Jeff. 99.99% uptime means just under an hour of total
> downtime per year (about 53 minutes). Is that really what you and the
> DBA are maintaining over three locations?
Yep. Only 2 locations have servers. We've had zero network downtime
(excepting the 6 year old server our fina
Pretty good, Jeff. 99.99% uptime means just under an hour of total
downtime per year (about 53 minutes). Is that really what you and the
DBA are maintaining over three locations?
Thank you,
Mark Snyder
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We ARE a small business. We also have the needs of a larger enter
> It's your job to provide IT/network support.
Yeah? So what?
Tom's point was that he would have to hire additional staff to handle PCs.
Your experience notwithstanding, my experience proves him decidedly wrong.
> It's your job to provide IT/network support. Those of us with small
> businesse
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