Re: [CGUYS] Kindle

2010-01-30 Thread John Duncan Yoyo
On Sat, Jan 30, 2010 at 12:01 AM, Marcio  wrote:

> Which one is better, the Kindle or the Kindle DX ?
>
>
That is a matter of taste question.  DX is bigger and has the ability to
import pdfs but that may have changed in the latest Kindle software.  This
is the best comparison I found.

 http://ireaderreview.com/2009/05/05/kindle-dx-vs-kindle-2/

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Re: [CGUYS] Kindle

2010-01-30 Thread tjpa

On Jan 30, 2010, at 12:01 AM, Marcio wrote:

Which one is better, the Kindle or the Kindle DX ?


Depends on personal preference. I fond the regular Kindle screen to be  
too tiny. It is like reading a postcard. The DX is more like reading a  
page in a book.


In any event, wait for a big price drop before purchasing.


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[CGUYS] Kindle

2010-01-29 Thread Marcio
Which one is better, the Kindle or the Kindle DX ?

Thanks

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Re: [CGUYS] Kindle Sighting

2009-05-22 Thread Tom Piwowar
>I still have a real IBM 360 'Green Card" circa 1969 in my collection.
>Anyone remember those?

My "OS/VS JCL Syntax Reference Summary (1972)" is green.


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Re: [CGUYS] Kindle Sighting

2009-05-21 Thread Steve at Verizon

I still have a real IBM 360 'Green Card" circa 1969 in my collection.
Anyone remember those?

Eric S. Sande wrote:
I used to carry a half dozen reference cards, most of what I needed 
>was there. Now 30 years later I still pull out one of those cards

about once a year.


I can relate to that.


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Re: [CGUYS] Kindle Sighting

2009-05-21 Thread Eric S. Sande
I used to carry a half dozen reference cards, most of what I needed >was 
there. Now 30 years later I still pull out one of those cards

about once a year.


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Re: [CGUYS] Kindle Sighting

2009-05-21 Thread Tom Piwowar
>Remember the days when your computers' documentation outweighed your 
>computer by about 3 to 1?

I used to carry a half dozen reference cards, most of what I needed was 
there. Now 30 years later I still pull out one of those cards about once 
a year.


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Re: [CGUYS] Kindle Sighting

2009-05-21 Thread John Duncan Yoyo
On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 4:56 PM, Vicky Staubly  wrote:

> On Wed, 20 May 2009, Steve at Verizon wrote:
>
>> Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote:
>>
>>> Books on the other hand are something that has to be read.
>>>
>>
>> Not so. I have books read to me, sometimes by the author. I read a book
>> only when it is not available in an unabridged audiobook format. Most are
>> ripped from CD audiobooks in our county library but I sometimes buy from
>> Audible.
>>
>
> I don't think that would work well for me. My reading speed varies
> depending on the content of the book. For most fiction, I zoom through
> it faster than someone could read aloud. For programming books, I zip
> through the bits that review topics with which I'm familiar, and slow
> down when a new (to me) concept is explained. Books explaining some
> of the math behind 3D graphics (for example), I plod through to soak in as
> much knowledge as possible.
>

If you listen to audiobooks using an iPod you can play audio books back in
faster mode.  It works better for some readers than others and gives things
a breathless quality.


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Re: [CGUYS] Kindle Sighting

2009-05-21 Thread Brian Jones
Remember the days when your computers' documentation outweighed your 
computer by about 3 to 1?


- Original Message - 
From: "Tom Piwowar" 


Are electronic books sufficiently similar to MP3s that they will do to
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Re: [CGUYS] Kindle Sighting

2009-05-21 Thread Jordan

Thank-you

mike wrote:

I listen to audiobooks all the time, but always in situations where books
wouldn't do well.  At work at times, in the car a lot...they are fantastic
for long commutes.

On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 1:56 PM, Vicky Staubly  wrote:

  

On Wed, 20 May 2009, Steve at Verizon wrote:



Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote:

  

Books on the other hand are something that has to be read.



Not so. I have books read to me, sometimes by the author. I read a book
only when it is not available in an unabridged audiobook format. Most are
ripped from CD audiobooks in our county library but I sometimes buy from
Audible.

  

I don't think that would work well for me. My reading speed varies
depending on the content of the book. For most fiction, I zoom through
it faster than someone could read aloud. For programming books, I zip
through the bits that review topics with which I'm familiar, and slow
down when a new (to me) concept is explained. Books explaining some
of the math behind 3D graphics (for example), I plod through to soak in as
much knowledge as possible.

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Re: [CGUYS] Kindle Sighting

2009-05-21 Thread Jordan

No

Tom Piwowar wrote:
I hope the electronic Kindle, and the like, doesn't replace 
printed books.



Are electronic books sufficiently similar to MP3s that they will do to 
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Re: [CGUYS] Kindle Sighting

2009-05-20 Thread Jeff Miles
	I wanted to add to this after reading some of the other comments. To  
each their own. But for me a book on an electronic screen or being  
read to me is much like the "read me" files that come with  
applications. I rarely read them. With the exception of email, the  
closest I've come to really get interested in electronic media are  
editorials and local letters to the editor.
	I guess I need to back track on that. I'm a TV addict. But that's  
mostly news and history channels stuff.
	Here's another take on it. My mother is an English teacher via  
online courses through our local college. Even she prints student  
papers out to read them. She'll then go back and make corrections  
online. But there's something about having the printed copy in your  
hand. I still can't explain it. Of course I haven't figured out how  
to text message on my cell phone either. Is this what getting old is  
all about?


Jeff M


On May 20, 2009, at 6:00 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote:

I know.  I have a partial set of books published before the  
revolutionary war,  Hard bound in Leather with old pages and old  
German script.  Recalling the history of those books and what they  
must of meant for the owners over the centuries is awesome.


Stewart


At 07:54 PM 5/20/2009, you wrote:
I totally agree about the need for books. There's nothing  
like the

nostalgic feeling that comes from smelling a musty book pulled from
the shelves. I love Macs, but will never get that feeling if I came
across my old GS 2.
Books are so physical. So is my cell phone, but in a very  
different

way. Books become part of your soul. Trying to explain it is like
trying to explain faith. I don't think it's really possible.

Jeff M


On May 20, 2009, at 9:21 AM, Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote:


Yes and no.

Music is Music.  CD/DVD/LP/Cassette/MP3 are all mediums to deliver
the content of music.

Books on the other hand are something that has to be read.  The
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Re: [CGUYS] Kindle Sighting

2009-05-20 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
I know.  I have a partial set of books published before the 
revolutionary war,  Hard bound in Leather with old pages and old 
German script.  Recalling the history of those books and what they 
must of meant for the owners over the centuries is awesome.


Stewart


At 07:54 PM 5/20/2009, you wrote:

I totally agree about the need for books. There's nothing like the
nostalgic feeling that comes from smelling a musty book pulled from
the shelves. I love Macs, but will never get that feeling if I came
across my old GS 2.
Books are so physical. So is my cell phone, but in a very different
way. Books become part of your soul. Trying to explain it is like
trying to explain faith. I don't think it's really possible.

Jeff M


On May 20, 2009, at 9:21 AM, Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote:


Yes and no.

Music is Music.  CD/DVD/LP/Cassette/MP3 are all mediums to deliver
the content of music.

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Re: [CGUYS] Kindle Sighting

2009-05-20 Thread Jeff Miles
	I totally agree about the need for books. There's nothing like the  
nostalgic feeling that comes from smelling a musty book pulled from  
the shelves. I love Macs, but will never get that feeling if I came  
across my old GS 2.
	Books are so physical. So is my cell phone, but in a very different  
way. Books become part of your soul. Trying to explain it is like  
trying to explain faith. I don't think it's really possible.


Jeff M


On May 20, 2009, at 9:21 AM, Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote:


Yes and no.

Music is Music.  CD/DVD/LP/Cassette/MP3 are all mediums to deliver  
the content of music.


Books on the other hand are something that has to be read.  The  
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Re: [CGUYS] Kindle Sighting

2009-05-20 Thread Richard P.
The last audio book I listened to in the car had a very intense
passage which I was deeply involved in. Right up to the point where
the officer pulled me over for missing the 30mph speed limit sign
after exiting the expressway. He did let me go after hearing my
excuse. I now use audio books in a much safer venue.

Richard P.

wrote:
> That was exactly what I was getting at.
>
> IN some instances an audio book is great.  In other instances it does not
> translate well.
>
> I am a great fan of the Audio book reader on NPR, and he usually reads light
> fiction which works well.
>
> A more intense book, such as a work volume takes more time and study.

>
> At 03:56 PM 5/20/2009, you wrote:
>>
>> On Wed, 20 May 2009, Steve at Verizon wrote:
>>>
>>> Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote:

 Books on the other hand are something that has to be read.
>>>
>>> Not so. I have books read to me, sometimes by the author. I read a book
>>> only when it is not available in an unabridged audiobook format. Most are
>>> ripped from CD audiobooks in our county library but I sometimes buy from
>>> Audible.
>>
>> I don't think that would work well for me. My reading speed varies
>> depending on the content of the book. For most fiction, I zoom through
>> it faster than someone could read aloud. For programming books, I zip
>> through the bits that review topics with which I'm familiar, and slow
>> down when a new (to me) concept is explained. Books explaining some
>> of the math behind 3D graphics (for example), I plod through to soak in as
>> much knowledge as possible.
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Re: [CGUYS] Kindle Sighting

2009-05-20 Thread Tom Piwowar
>In a loose way, our current financial market derivatives problem is a 
>metaphor that illustrates how that kind of centralized dependence can 
>ultimately let us down in big ways...

Close to on topic would be making this connection with music subscription 
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Re: [CGUYS] Kindle Sighting

2009-05-20 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall

That was exactly what I was getting at.

IN some instances an audio book is great.  In other instances it does 
not translate well.


I am a great fan of the Audio book reader on NPR, and he usually 
reads light fiction which works well.


A more intense book, such as a work volume takes more time and study.

Stewart


At 03:56 PM 5/20/2009, you wrote:

On Wed, 20 May 2009, Steve at Verizon wrote:

Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote:

Books on the other hand are something that has to be read.


Not so. I have books read to me, sometimes by the author. I read a 
book only when it is not available in an unabridged audiobook 
format. Most are ripped from CD audiobooks in our county library 
but I sometimes buy from Audible.


I don't think that would work well for me. My reading speed varies
depending on the content of the book. For most fiction, I zoom through
it faster than someone could read aloud. For programming books, I zip
through the bits that review topics with which I'm familiar, and slow
down when a new (to me) concept is explained. Books explaining some
of the math behind 3D graphics (for example), I plod through to soak 
in as much knowledge as possible.


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Re: [CGUYS] Kindle Sighting

2009-05-20 Thread Steve at Verizon
Somewhat the same here. Audiobooks are great when spending an otherwise 
boring 45 minutes on a treadmill. Or that 5 hour drive to NY. I  also 
enjoy a half hour listen after turning out the lights in bed. Like being 
read to as a kid.


Didn't mean to sound like an audiobook fanatic. I fully understand other 
folks joy in a physical book.


mike wrote:

I listen to audiobooks all the time, but always in situations where books
wouldn't do well.  At work at times, in the car a lot...they are fantastic
for long commutes.

On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 1:56 PM, Vicky Staubly  wrote:

  

On Wed, 20 May 2009, Steve at Verizon wrote:



Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote:

  

Books on the other hand are something that has to be read.



Not so. I have books read to me, sometimes by the author. I read a book
only when it is not available in an unabridged audiobook format. Most are
ripped from CD audiobooks in our county library but I sometimes buy from
Audible.

  

I don't think that would work well for me. My reading speed varies
depending on the content of the book. For most fiction, I zoom through
it faster than someone could read aloud. For programming books, I zip
through the bits that review topics with which I'm familiar, and slow
down when a new (to me) concept is explained. Books explaining some
of the math behind 3D graphics (for example), I plod through to soak in as
much knowledge as possible.

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Re: [CGUYS] Kindle Sighting

2009-05-20 Thread mike
I listen to audiobooks all the time, but always in situations where books
wouldn't do well.  At work at times, in the car a lot...they are fantastic
for long commutes.

On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 1:56 PM, Vicky Staubly  wrote:

> On Wed, 20 May 2009, Steve at Verizon wrote:
>
>> Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote:
>>
>>> Books on the other hand are something that has to be read.
>>>
>>
>> Not so. I have books read to me, sometimes by the author. I read a book
>> only when it is not available in an unabridged audiobook format. Most are
>> ripped from CD audiobooks in our county library but I sometimes buy from
>> Audible.
>>
>
> I don't think that would work well for me. My reading speed varies
> depending on the content of the book. For most fiction, I zoom through
> it faster than someone could read aloud. For programming books, I zip
> through the bits that review topics with which I'm familiar, and slow
> down when a new (to me) concept is explained. Books explaining some
> of the math behind 3D graphics (for example), I plod through to soak in as
> much knowledge as possible.
>
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Re: [CGUYS] Kindle Sighting

2009-05-20 Thread Vicky Staubly

On Wed, 20 May 2009, Steve at Verizon wrote:

Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote:

Books on the other hand are something that has to be read.


Not so. I have books read to me, sometimes by the author. I read a book only 
when it is not available in an unabridged audiobook format. Most are ripped 
from CD audiobooks in our county library but I sometimes buy from Audible.


I don't think that would work well for me. My reading speed varies
depending on the content of the book. For most fiction, I zoom through
it faster than someone could read aloud. For programming books, I zip
through the bits that review topics with which I'm familiar, and slow
down when a new (to me) concept is explained. Books explaining some
of the math behind 3D graphics (for example), I plod through to soak in 
as much knowledge as possible.


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Re: [CGUYS] Kindle Sighting

2009-05-20 Thread Steve at Verizon

Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote:


Books on the other hand are something that has to be read.


Not so. I have books read to me, sometimes by the author. I read a book 
only when it is not available in an unabridged audiobook format. Most 
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Re: [CGUYS] Kindle Sighting

2009-05-20 Thread db
I'm not necessarily a proponent for electronic readers but just note 
that with Kindle you can take notes on pages, insert bookmarks etc...  
Never done it myself but just know that you can.


One thing about all electronic data systems ... e-publishing systems 
being one of them ... it seems to me that there is a high degree of 
longterm societal dependency on electricity, communication systems and 
on for profit/ independent organization's abilities and willingness to 
keep them up and going.


In a loose way, our current financial market derivatives problem is a 
metaphor that illustrates how that kind of centralized dependence can 
ultimately let us down in big ways...


db

Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote:

Yes and no.

Music is Music.  CD/DVD/LP/Cassette/MP3 are all mediums to deliver the 
content of music.


Books on the other hand are something that has to be read.  The medium 
it is presented in determines how it can be used.


When I was in school we carried books, and marked them according to 
our studies.  Eve today some books that I read for work are books that 
I mark and dog ear pages for further reference.


However there is a class of books that may be more useful presented in 
an electronic format that and that is reference books.


In each occupation there is a group of books that we use for 
reference.  Books that sit on the shelf and that are brought down to 
look up a point a reference, a point of interest that we might be 
using in a class, a paper etc.


Already in theology there are a huge portion of our reference 
libraries that are available on disk that make buying the physical 
books obsolete and much easier to carry and move.


These books I can see putting on an electronic medium to use.

I carry a sleection of paperback title with me on my smartphone and my 
pda so I have a ready book to read when I am traveling or stuck 
somewhere.  My smartphone and PDA are much easier to carry than a kindle.


SO I think it will depend on the situation.

In some cases the book is similar enough to an MP3 that it can be put 
on an electronic format and in some cases it is not.


Stewart


At 11:05 AM 5/20/2009, you wrote:

>I hope the electronic Kindle, and the like, doesn't replace
>printed books.

Are electronic books sufficiently similar to MP3s that they will do to
books what MP3s did to CDs?


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Re: [CGUYS] Kindle Sighting

2009-05-20 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall

Yes and no.

Music is Music.  CD/DVD/LP/Cassette/MP3 are all mediums to deliver 
the content of music.


Books on the other hand are something that has to be read.  The 
medium it is presented in determines how it can be used.


When I was in school we carried books, and marked them according to 
our studies.  Eve today some books that I read for work are books 
that I mark and dog ear pages for further reference.


However there is a class of books that may be more useful presented 
in an electronic format that and that is reference books.


In each occupation there is a group of books that we use for 
reference.  Books that sit on the shelf and that are brought down to 
look up a point a reference, a point of interest that we might be 
using in a class, a paper etc.


Already in theology there are a huge portion of our reference 
libraries that are available on disk that make buying the physical 
books obsolete and much easier to carry and move.


These books I can see putting on an electronic medium to use.

I carry a sleection of paperback title with me on my smartphone and 
my pda so I have a ready book to read when I am traveling or stuck 
somewhere.  My smartphone and PDA are much easier to carry than a kindle.


SO I think it will depend on the situation.

In some cases the book is similar enough to an MP3 that it can be put 
on an electronic format and in some cases it is not.


Stewart


At 11:05 AM 5/20/2009, you wrote:

>I hope the electronic Kindle, and the like, doesn't replace
>printed books.

Are electronic books sufficiently similar to MP3s that they will do to
books what MP3s did to CDs?


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Re: [CGUYS] Kindle Sighting

2009-05-20 Thread Tom Piwowar
>I hope the electronic Kindle, and the like, doesn't replace 
>printed books.

Are electronic books sufficiently similar to MP3s that they will do to 
books what MP3s did to CDs?


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Re: [CGUYS] Kindle Sighting

2009-05-19 Thread b_s-wilk

A friend of ours loves it and won't do without it. We prefer
non-electronic books ourselves. Easier to read and they don't break
when you fall asleep reading and drop them : ))


Paperbacks don't break when they get wet either, or when they get sand 
or dirt inside. I like to read books, then trade them with someone else 
who has a good book. I don't care if I leave one on the train, plane or 
bus. I can get another one cheaply. I like to dog-ear and write on 
pages. I hope the electronic Kindle, and the like, doesn't replace 
printed books. It will be a great loss to readers, and we do need more 
readers.


Betty


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Re: [CGUYS] Kindle Sighting

2009-05-19 Thread Richard P.
I can see that would be a great use for them, especially if the
electronic books would allow the updating of technical error
corrections.

Richard P.


>
>> A friend of ours loves it and won't do without it. We prefer
>> non-electronic books ourselves. Easier to read and they don't break
>> when you fall asleep reading and drop them : ))
>>
>> I think the real boon will be the Kindle DX as the portable text book of
> choice.  I used to carry around 40 lbs of text books.  Anything that would
> let me carry them all and have older references would have been a back
> saver.


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Re: [CGUYS] Kindle Sighting

2009-05-19 Thread John Duncan Yoyo
On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 2:31 PM, Richard P.  wrote:

> A friend of ours loves it and won't do without it. We prefer
> non-electronic books ourselves. Easier to read and they don't break
> when you fall asleep reading and drop them : ))
>
> I think the real boon will be the Kindle DX as the portable text book of
choice.  I used to carry around 40 lbs of text books.  Anything that would
let me carry them all and have older references would have been a back
saver.


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Re: [CGUYS] Kindle Sighting

2009-05-19 Thread John Duncan Yoyo
On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 2:14 PM, Michael Drabick wrote:

> Pardon my ignorance,but what is a Kindle?
>

Amazon's eBook reader.  A great looking gadget with a price about 3X too
much.

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00154JDAI/?tag=googhydr-20&hvadid=&ref=pd_sl_177pa6cuyf_e


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Re: [CGUYS] Kindle Sighting

2009-05-19 Thread Richard P.
A friend of ours loves it and won't do without it. We prefer
non-electronic books ourselves. Easier to read and they don't break
when you fall asleep reading and drop them : ))

Richard P.


> I saw my first passenger reading on a Kindle today on the Metro.
>
> Will this be a trend?


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Re: [CGUYS] Kindle Sighting

2009-05-19 Thread Michael Drabick

Pardon my ignorance,but what is a Kindle?

Tom Piwowar wrote:

I saw my first passenger reading on a Kindle today on the Metro.

Will this be a trend?
  



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[CGUYS] Kindle Sighting

2009-05-19 Thread Tom Piwowar
I saw my first passenger reading on a Kindle today on the Metro.

Will this be a trend?


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[CGUYS] Kindle Reviewed

2008-05-07 Thread Tom Piwowar
Nice detailed review at www.macintouch.com/reviews/kindle/

I would like a larger screen and more than 4 shades of gray, but it looks 
good for a version one product.

I hope the E-Ink technology makes it to laptops and eventually replaces 
LCDs.


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