Re: [CGUYS] Mac Ignorance [Was: The Worst Thing about Macs

2007-10-25 Thread Jeff Wright
> I think our many previous interactions have amply demonstrated that you > are not observation driven. You tend to see what your predispositions > prepare you to see -- for example the many things you say about Macs > that > are not so. When people are having trouble you filter it out or write > t

Re: [CGUYS] Mac Ignorance [Was: The Worst Thing about Macs

2007-10-25 Thread Constance Warner
"I have been training people to use computers for over 20 years. I can assure you that people do not panic at the sight of a 1-button mouse." Well, that's just the point, isn't it? They were being TRAINED, not thrown in the deep end and expected to swim. Most of the Mac newbies I've seen had

Re: [CGUYS] Mac Ignorance [Was: The Worst Thing about Macs

2007-10-25 Thread Tom Piwowar
>I deal with "regular" people all the time. They have no trouble with the >2nd mouse button. I only need to show them once. Two or 3 times for the >"extra" regular people. To some, this may look like a personal attack, but it is not meant to be. The two of us have different ways of looking at

Re: [CGUYS] Mac Ignorance [Was: The Worst Thing about Macs

2007-10-25 Thread Tom Piwowar
>Even Apple calls it a four button mouse. I think for myself. "Think Different" * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Join

Re: [CGUYS] Mac Ignorance [Was: The Worst Thing about Macs

2007-10-25 Thread mike
Even Apple calls it a four button mouse. Mike On 10/25/07, Tom Piwowar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >mice... But like the other poster asked, how do you define the last > several > >years? > > August 2005 makes it just a bit longer than a "couple" of years. Hence, > "several." > > >And it has 4

Re: [CGUYS] Mac Ignorance [Was: The Worst Thing about Macs

2007-10-25 Thread Tom Piwowar
>mice... But like the other poster asked, how do you define the last several >years? August 2005 makes it just a bit longer than a "couple" of years. Hence, "several." >And it has 4 buttons, not 5... 1) Primary button (usually left) 2) Secondary button (usually right) 3) The "pea" (scroll ball

Re: [CGUYS] Mac Ignorance [Was: The Worst Thing about Macs

2007-10-25 Thread Jeff Wright
I deal with "regular" people all the time. They have no trouble with the 2nd mouse button. I only need to show them once. Two or 3 times for the "extra" regular people. Maybe you're just projecting your own expectations. > -Original Message- > >Where do you *meet* these people you alwa

Re: [CGUYS] Mac Ignorance [Was: The Worst Thing about Macs

2007-10-25 Thread Jeff Miles
On a side note, for any who have NASA TV and can watch the latest SST120 mission to the ISS, it might make you feel a little better about your Macs. Jeff M * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following comman

Re: [CGUYS] Mac Ignorance [Was: The Worst Thing about Macs

2007-10-25 Thread Jeff Miles
No, realized my mistake seconds after hitting the send button. And to Tom, I realize the Macbooks don't come with mice. Just included it because it was the latest, about two weeks ago. But like the other poster asked, how do you define the last several years? My two iMac G5s aren't

Re: [CGUYS] Mac Ignorance [Was: The Worst Thing about Macs

2007-10-25 Thread David K. Watson
Maybe I am overtired, but this struck me as funny: What are you talking about? I've got 3 different Macs in the last 2 years. I'll be it one was a Macbook Pro, but the other two iMacs didn't come with any 5 button mice. I've never even seen a 5 button Apple produced Mac mouse. Do these come with

Re: [CGUYS] Mac Ignorance [Was: The Worst Thing about Macs

2007-10-24 Thread mike
God help us, people that get confused by two buttons carry guns. Stay away from wherever Tom lives. Mike On 10/24/07, Tom Piwowar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >Where do you *meet* these people you always talk about? I hope sincerely > >that anyone who can only operate a one button mouse or so

Re: [CGUYS] Mac Ignorance [Was: The Worst Thing about Macs

2007-10-24 Thread Tom Piwowar
>What are you talking about? I've got 3 different Macs in the last 2 >years. I'll be it one was a Macbook Pro, but the other two iMacs >didn't come with any 5 button mice. I've never even seen a 5 button >Apple produced Mac mouse. Do these come with just certain Mac computers? Laptops do not

Re: [CGUYS] Mac Ignorance [Was: The Worst Thing about Macs

2007-10-24 Thread Tom Piwowar
>Where do you *meet* these people you always talk about? I hope sincerely >that anyone who can only operate a one button mouse or someone who gets >frustrated at the site of two buttons is not driving a car anywhere in my >city. God help us if they procreate. If you make an error while driving t

Re: [CGUYS] Mac Ignorance [Was: The Worst Thing about Macs

2007-10-24 Thread mike
*http://tinyurl.com/23e9kp Apple four button mouse. You have to program it. Mike * On 10/24/07, Jeff Miles <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > What are you talking about? I've got 3 different Macs in the last > 2 > years. I'll be it one was a Macbook Pro, but the other two iMacs > didn't come

Re: [CGUYS] Mac Ignorance [Was: The Worst Thing about Macs

2007-10-24 Thread mike
Where do you *meet* these people you always talk about? I hope sincerely that anyone who can only operate a one button mouse or someone who gets frustrated at the site of two buttons is not driving a car anywhere in my city. God help us if they procreate. Mike On 10/24/07, Tom Piwowar <[EMAIL P

Re: [CGUYS] Mac Ignorance [Was: The Worst Thing about Macs

2007-10-24 Thread Matthew Taylor
Define "several years" please. When I bought Macs at my old employer, they came with the one button mouse or none at all - those were G4's, G5's, and Powerbook G4's. On Oct 24, 2007, at 8:08 PM, Tom Piwowar wrote: For several years now, all Macs ship with 5-button mice that have a scroll

Re: [CGUYS] Mac Ignorance [Was: The Worst Thing about Macs

2007-10-24 Thread Jeff Miles
What are you talking about? I've got 3 different Macs in the last 2 years. I'll be it one was a Macbook Pro, but the other two iMacs didn't come with any 5 button mice. I've never even seen a 5 button Apple produced Mac mouse. Do these come with just certain Mac computers? Jeff M On Oct

[CGUYS] Mac Ignorance [Was: The Worst Thing about Macs

2007-10-24 Thread Tom Piwowar
>The one-button mouse is only one hurdle a new Mac user has to confront >at work, when they're expected to hit the ground running. Perhaps the biggest hurdle is people who don't know what they are talking about? For several years now, all Macs ship with 5-button mice that have a scroll ball on t