Re: [CGUYS] Reality [Was: Computer Guys (& gal) Show]

2010-01-09 Thread phartz...@gmail.com
On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 9:31 AM, Reid Katan wrote: > Dude. You've stepped in it now. Good luck getting a direct answer. Thanks fpr the heads-up, but I've got on my big boots. We older folks know know to walk through a slop field. Steve *

Re: [CGUYS] Reality

2010-01-08 Thread t.piwowar
On Jan 7, 2010, at 11:50 AM, mike wrote: Well Tom says 9...you say 6...Tony says not above 5%. But you say already above 6...why not say it's nowhere near 9%? Maybe the better question is why can't anyone get the numbers? The difference between 6 and 9 is huge. http://www.theinquirer.net

Re: [CGUYS] Reality [Was: Computer Guys (& gal) Show]

2010-01-08 Thread Reid Katan
Quoting "phartz...@gmail.com" : On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 6:42 PM, tjpa wrote: I see you are getting closer to my point. Why not make your point perfectly clear and stop beating around the bush? Dude. You've stepped in it now. Good luck getting a direct answer. **

Re: [CGUYS] Reality [Was: Computer Guys (& gal) Show]

2010-01-08 Thread phartz...@gmail.com
On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 6:42 PM, tjpa wrote: > I see you are getting closer to my point. Why not make your point perfectly clear and stop beating around the bush? Is your point something along the lines that older folks, a group that you seem to have a hang-up about, are just plain out of it w

Re: [CGUYS] Reality [Was: Computer Guys (& gal) Show]

2010-01-07 Thread tjpa
On Jan 7, 2010, at 1:50 PM, Stewart Marshall wrote: Secondly who still has VCR's hooked up to their system anyway? I see you are getting closer to my point. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives,

Re: [CGUYS] Reality [Was: Computer Guys (& gal) Show]

2010-01-07 Thread phartz...@gmail.com
On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 1:50 PM, Stewart Marshall wrote: > Secondly who still has VCR's hooked up to their system anyway? I stil have a VCR, but it is only used when I occasionally get the bug to digitize something I have on tape, or to digitize a tape for a friend. I used to have it hooked

Re: [CGUYS] Reality [Was: Computer Guys (& gal) Show]

2010-01-07 Thread Stewart Marshall
Problem is even if it is flashing 12 it is still right twice a day. Secondly who still has VCR's hooked up to their system anyway? Stewart At 12:29 PM 1/7/2010, you wrote: > It is the old geezers like you that still have "12:00 AM" flashing on their > VCRs. God! You have cut me to the cor

Re: [CGUYS] Reality [Was: Computer Guys (& gal) Show]

2010-01-07 Thread phartz...@gmail.com
On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 11:29 AM, tjpa wrote: > On Jan 7, 2010, at 10:59 AM, phartz...@gmail.com wrote: >> >> Those same folks are not the ones that we were discussing.  We were >> talking about folks who buy portable, mostly entertainment devices, >> and those folks are usually young, not all tha

Re: [CGUYS] Reality [Was: Computer Guys (& gal) Show]

2010-01-07 Thread phartz...@gmail.com
On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 11:36 AM, mike wrote: > If the youngsters were hip to what tech works well, they'd not be buying > ipods for 'sound quality', ipods are not known for their fidelity. You are right. They don't buy or want them for their sound quality. They want them because they are tre

Re: [CGUYS] Reality [Was: Computer Guys (& gal) Show]

2010-01-07 Thread katan
On Thu, 7 Jan 2010 10:59:39 -0500, phartz...@gmail.com wrote: >On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 10:23 AM, tjpa wrote: > >> Mac sales figures dispute your theory. While just about everybody else in >> the industry had negative growth, Mac sales are up 16% year over year. > > Citing such stats may initiate

Re: [CGUYS] Reality

2010-01-07 Thread mike
Well Tom says 9...you say 6...Tony says not above 5%. But you say already above 6...why not say it's nowhere near 9%? Maybe the better question is why can't anyone get the numbers? The difference between 6 and 9 is huge. http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/opinion/1496424/apple-market-share-res

Re: [CGUYS] Reality

2010-01-07 Thread Stewart Marshall
One of the reasons for the 20% of dollars is that their model is built on profits from hardware more than software. Plus they have a very diverse market. They do not loose any money on their Iphones. ATT takes all the risk. So Apple is a highly profitable company. Stewart At 10:39 AM 1/7/2

Re: [CGUYS] Reality [Was: Computer Guys (& gal) Show]

2010-01-07 Thread mike
If the youngsters were hip to what tech works well, they'd not be buying ipods for 'sound quality', ipods are not known for their fidelity. They look cool, they sync fairly easy...they play well enough. I know what I'm talking about...I've got six of them. I got mine not for sound quality but ea

Re: [CGUYS] Reality

2010-01-07 Thread Snyder, Mark - IdM (IS)
According to Frank Cioffi of Market Watch, Apple's share is already at 6%. He further notes that Apple gets one of every five dollars from the home computing market, presumably in the US, but the article didn't say. Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- Since this thread is now abou

Re: [CGUYS] Reality

2010-01-07 Thread tjpa
On Jan 7, 2010, at 11:00 AM, Tony B wrote: Since this thread is now about "reality", I gotta ask: If this is true, how many years will it take to reach 100% of the market? How many to rise above 5%? Apple has been above 5 for quite some time. I think they are at about 9 now. With Android mo

Re: [CGUYS] Reality [Was: Computer Guys (& gal) Show]

2010-01-07 Thread tjpa
On Jan 7, 2010, at 10:59 AM, phartz...@gmail.com wrote: Those same folks are not the ones that we were discussing. We were talking about folks who buy portable, mostly entertainment devices, and those folks are usually young, not all that sophisticated about how electronic devices work, and want

Re: [CGUYS] Reality

2010-01-07 Thread Tony B
Since this thread is now about "reality", I gotta ask: If this is true, how many years will it take to reach 100% of the market? How many to rise above 5%? On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 10:23 AM, tjpa wrote: > Mac sales figures dispute your theory. While just about everybody else in > the industry had n

Re: [CGUYS] Reality [Was: Computer Guys (& gal) Show]

2010-01-07 Thread phartz...@gmail.com
On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 10:23 AM, tjpa wrote: > Mac sales figures dispute your theory. While just about everybody else in > the industry had negative growth, Mac sales are up 16% year over year. Citing such stats may initiate a dispute, but does not negate my theory. Sales figures for Apple's

Re: [CGUYS] Reality [Was: Computer Guys (& gal) Show]

2010-01-07 Thread tjpa
On Jan 7, 2010, at 9:38 AM, phartz...@gmail.com wrote: Again, I am not disparaging any Apple portable device, or any other brand for that matter. I am simply saying that issues of product quality, product specifications and additional technical parameters are not much of a factor when a customer

Re: [CGUYS] Reality [Was: Computer Guys (& gal) Show]

2010-01-07 Thread phartz...@gmail.com
On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 1:01 AM, t.piwowar wrote: > But I was writing about you. What you wrote was a clear example of Windows > thinking. I hear from people who have recently gotten any iPody device, and I also overhear recent recipients telling others about their excitement, and for the most

Re: [CGUYS] Reality [Was: Computer Guys (& gal) Show]

2010-01-06 Thread t.piwowar
On Jan 6, 2010, at 9:26 PM, phartz...@gmail.com wrote: No, no, no! It wasn't ME who got an iPody device. The folks who were breathlessly extolling the fact that THEY had gotten one ARE Windows users. And good for them. I'm observing quite a change in attitude among Windows drones after they

Re: [CGUYS] Reality [Was: Computer Guys (& gal) Show]

2010-01-06 Thread phartz...@gmail.com
On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 7:42 PM, tjpa wrote: > On Jan 6, 2010, at 4:58 PM, phartz...@gmail.com wrote: >> >> Not out of touch, as you say.  I understand that those folks who >> received the iPody devices are primarily thrilled because they now >> have what "everybody else" has.  This is the lemming

Re: [CGUYS] Reality [Was: Computer Guys (& gal) Show]

2010-01-06 Thread tjpa
On Jan 6, 2010, at 4:58 PM, phartz...@gmail.com wrote: Not out of touch, as you say. I understand that those folks who received the iPody devices are primarily thrilled because they now have what "everybody else" has. This is the lemming mentality. These gift recipients finally belong, no long

Re: [CGUYS] Reality [Was: Computer Guys (& gal) Show]

2010-01-06 Thread phartz...@gmail.com
On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 2:38 PM, tjpa wrote: > What? You think that somebody who got a Zune is going to brag about it? You > are so out of touch. Not out of touch, as you say. I understand that those folks who received the iPody devices are primarily thrilled because they now have what "everyb

Re: [CGUYS] Reality [Was: Computer Guys (& gal) Show]

2010-01-06 Thread mike
Reasonable being the highest price on the market... On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 12:38 PM, tjpa wrote: > On Jan 6, 2010, at 2:06 PM, phartz...@gmail.com wrote: > >> A close friend got emails from three of her friends wherein they >> related Christmas gifts they had gotten this year. Two boasted of an

Re: [CGUYS] Reality [Was: Computer Guys (& gal) Show]

2010-01-06 Thread tjpa
On Jan 6, 2010, at 2:06 PM, phartz...@gmail.com wrote: A close friend got emails from three of her friends wherein they related Christmas gifts they had gotten this year. Two boasted of an iPod Touch, and one of an iPod. Nothing else mentioned. Just those items, as if you got one of those you

Re: [CGUYS] Reality [Was: Computer Guys (& gal) Show]

2010-01-06 Thread phartz...@gmail.com
On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 1:08 PM, mike wrote: > Weren't there stories from NY and other metro areas of people getting mugged > specifically because they had white earbuds and thus the most expensive mp3 > player on the market? Yes. Bling envy. No great dollar value involved, just bling for bra

Re: [CGUYS] Reality [Was: Computer Guys (& gal) Show]

2010-01-06 Thread mike
Weren't there stories from NY and other metro areas of people getting mugged specifically because they had white earbuds and thus the most expensive mp3 player on the market? On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 10:50 AM, phartz...@gmail.com wrote: > On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 10:56 AM, tjpa wrote: > > > Our real

Re: [CGUYS] Reality [Was: Computer Guys (& gal) Show]

2010-01-06 Thread phartz...@gmail.com
On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 10:56 AM, tjpa wrote: > Our reality is often shaped by advertising and we don't realize that what > most people do is not advertised (because it does not have to be). Most > people use paygo, not the advertised contracts. Most people have simple > cellphones. That depend

[CGUYS] Reality [Was: Computer Guys (& gal) Show]

2010-01-06 Thread tjpa
On Jan 6, 2010, at 2:31 AM, Constance Warner wrote: In this case, I don't think it's a foregone conclusion that fancy cellphones have replaced computers as all-purpose communications devices. Cellphones are too small to display most of what's on the Web. For a lot of people, cellphones are

[CGUYS] Reality Sets In -- Win7 to XP Downgrade Plan Contemplated

2009-06-19 Thread t.piwowar
http://gcn.com/articles/2009/06/18/microsoft-clarifies-windows-7- downgrade-rights.aspx?s=gcndaily_190609 As I would expect, M$'s first offer only applies to expensive versions of Win7. How long will it be before we get a downgrade plan for NetBooks? **