Re: [CGUYS] Win7 Stampede?

[Wayne Dernoncourt]

Roy A. Ackerman, Ph.D., E.A.
> Tom:
> There is a BIG difference between network connectivity
> (i.e., server connections) between Home and Business.

Absolutely, but more than a few businesses don't require
server connections, etc.

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Re: [CGUYS] Win7 Stampede?

[mike]

While it's easy to agree that MS prices are high for vista users, most
windows users don't upgrade till a new machine anyhow.

On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 10:21 AM, t.piwowar  wrote:

> Those M$ haters at PC World are at it again...
>
> http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/167434/
> microsoft_to_vista_owners_youll_pay_for_our_mistake.html
>
> "If Microsoft really charges $120-and-up for Windows 7, the company will
> send a very clear message: Don't upgrade. That, or Microsoft is betting that
> Vista victims will pay almost any price to get the ill-fated OS off their
> machines. Which is it?"
>
> "Pricing Windows 7 upgrades high enough that current Vista users won't
> bother insures that most users will see the new OS on a new computer. If
> Microsoft can better manage its OEM partners this time, so that Windows 7
> only sells on new hardware powerful enough to make it look good, then the
> new OS might avoid the early drubbing that Vista received."
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Re: [CGUYS] Win7 Stampede?

[t.piwowar]

Those M$ haters at PC World are at it again...

http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/167434/ 
microsoft_to_vista_owners_youll_pay_for_our_mistake.html


"If Microsoft really charges $120-and-up for Windows 7, the company  
will send a very clear message: Don't upgrade. That, or Microsoft is  
betting that Vista victims will pay almost any price to get the ill- 
fated OS off their machines. Which is it?"


"Pricing Windows 7 upgrades high enough that current Vista users  
won't bother insures that most users will see the new OS on a new  
computer. If Microsoft can better manage its OEM partners this time,  
so that Windows 7 only sells on new hardware powerful enough to make  
it look good, then the new OS might avoid the early drubbing that  
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Re: [CGUYS] Win7 Stampede?

[t.piwowar]

Anybody know where the details on these networking differences can be  
found? M$ made similar claims for XP, but the difference had no  
practical significance. I don't care that the Remote Desktop Server  
feature is disabled. Will Win7 be able to access various types of  
servers and SANS?



On Jun 26, 2009, at 11:51 AM, Roy A. Ackerman, Ph.D., E.A. wrote:

There is a BIG difference between network connectivity (i.e., server
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Re: [CGUYS] Win7 Stampede?

[Rich Schinnell]

FYI:

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and after  upgrading my Vista Ultimate (used for 
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my old version of winzip.  Otherwise it seems 
much faster. I installed a 80Gig Intel SSD in the 
laptop and that made it pretty damned fast..


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Re: [CGUYS] Win7 Stampede?

[mike]

The exact same thing going from any OS to it's upgrade.  Either you need or
want the new features that are being touted or you do not.

If you want to know what it does compared to XP or Vista, read some reviews,
you may find you want it, you may find you don't.

On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 8:27 AM, db  wrote:

> ut I really wonder what it is that Win 7 is going to do for most users.
>
> Transfer $ to MS.
>
> db
>
>
> Mike Sloane wrote:
>
>> I guess my question, after reading all the various specifications and
>> comparison charts, is: why should I upgrade from XP? It looks as if I would
>> have to buy a new machine with more memory and faster processor speed, when
>> the machines I have now work just fine with under 1 GHz and under 1 gig of
>> memory. I don't play games or edit movies or watch TV - I just surf the
>> 'net, do Email, create simple documents, and do limited processing and
>> storage of digital images. I am all for "progress", but I am not convinced
>> that I need this next step (aside from the promise of "lack of support" for
>> XP going forward). I still have Win98SE machines on my network that are
>> happily running scanners and hosting networked printers; they will continue
>> to perform those functions until they literally die (and when they do, I
>> will merely pick up anther discarded "clunker" from freecycle.com and run
>> it). I am not a Luddite or deny technological improvements, but I really
>> wonder what it is that Win 7 is going to do for most users.
>>
>> Mike
>>
>> Chris Dunford wrote:
>>
>>> Of course, then the question becomes: What are the odds I would
 ever need this?

>>>
>>> And it's a good question, too. My own view is that I've never needed
>>> an XP mode with Vista, so why would I need it with Win7? For those
>>> still using XP, it's a different question, since they could conceivably
>>> be using critical apps that don't work with Vista
>>> (although that's pretty rare now) and not know it.
>>>
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Re: [CGUYS] Win7 Stampede?

[Roy A. Ackerman, Ph.D., E.A.]

Tom:
There is a BIG difference between network connectivity (i.e., server
connections) between Home and Business.



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On Jun 25, 2009, at 10:22 PM, mike wrote:
> I wonder if we could discuss which version I might want for
> prosumer use at home?

Or what minimum version will do the job. With XP they tried to  
embarrass businesses into paying too much by attaching "Home" to the  
lower-cost version, even though "Home" was perfectly usable in a  
business setting. Are they doing that again or will there now be some  
missing gotcha in the Home edition?

Any speculation if they will be able to make these high prices stick  
in a slow economy? Compare to Adobe's offering an introductory price  
through May 31 on Creative Suite and then introducing a new offer on  
June 1 that was only $20 more and good through Aug 31.

Looking at these prices it looks to me like the best option may be to  
buy a full-featured Snow Leopard instead of a pay-by-the-feature Win7  
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Re: [CGUYS] Win7 Stampede?

[db]

ut I really wonder what it is that Win 7 is going to do for most users.

Transfer $ to MS.

db

Mike Sloane wrote:
I guess my question, after reading all the various specifications and 
comparison charts, is: why should I upgrade from XP? It looks as if I 
would have to buy a new machine with more memory and faster processor 
speed, when the machines I have now work just fine with under 1 GHz 
and under 1 gig of memory. I don't play games or edit movies or watch 
TV - I just surf the 'net, do Email, create simple documents, and do 
limited processing and storage of digital images. I am all for 
"progress", but I am not convinced that I need this next step (aside 
from the promise of "lack of support" for XP going forward). I still 
have Win98SE machines on my network that are happily running scanners 
and hosting networked printers; they will continue to perform those 
functions until they literally die (and when they do, I will merely 
pick up anther discarded "clunker" from freecycle.com and run it). I 
am not a Luddite or deny technological improvements, but I really 
wonder what it is that Win 7 is going to do for most users.


Mike

Chris Dunford wrote:

Of course, then the question becomes: What are the odds I would
ever need this?


And it's a good question, too. My own view is that I've never needed
an XP mode with Vista, so why would I need it with Win7? For those
still using XP, it's a different question, since they could 
conceivably be using critical apps that don't work with Vista

(although that's pretty rare now) and not know it.



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Re: [CGUYS] Win7 Stampede?

[mike]

This can be said for any OS.   I was using OS 9 far into the OS X cycle for
much the same reasons...it worked.

On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 4:40 AM, Mike Sloane  wrote:

> I guess my question, after reading all the various specifications and
> comparison charts, is: why should I upgrade from XP? It looks as if I would
> have to buy a new machine with more memory and faster processor speed, when
> the machines I have now work just fine with under 1 GHz and under 1 gig of
> memory. I don't play games or edit movies or watch TV - I just surf the
> 'net, do Email, create simple documents, and do limited processing and
> storage of digital images. I am all for "progress", but I am not convinced
> that I need this next step (aside from the promise of "lack of support" for
> XP going forward). I still have Win98SE machines on my network that are
> happily running scanners and hosting networked printers; they will continue
> to perform those functions until they literally die (and when they do, I
> will merely pick up anther discarded "clunker" from freecycle.com and run
> it). I am not a Luddite or deny technological improvements, but I really
> wonder what it is that Win 7 is going to do for most users.
>
> Mike
>
>
> Chris Dunford wrote:
>
>> Of course, then the question becomes: What are the odds I would
>>> ever need this?
>>>
>>
>> And it's a good question, too. My own view is that I've never needed
>> an XP mode with Vista, so why would I need it with Win7? For those
>> still using XP, it's a different question, since they could conceivably be
>> using critical apps that don't work with Vista
>> (although that's pretty rare now) and not know it.
>>
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Re: [CGUYS] Win7 Stampede?

[Jeff Wright]

> I guess my question, after reading all the various specifications and
> comparison charts, is: why should I upgrade from XP? It looks as if I
> would have to buy a new machine with more memory and faster processor
> speed, when the machines I have now work just fine with under 1 GHz and
> under 1 gig of memory. I don't play games or edit movies or watch TV -
> I
> just surf the 'net, do Email, create simple documents, and do limited
> processing and storage of digital images. I am all for "progress", but
> I
> am not convinced that I need this next step (aside from the promise of
> "lack of support" for XP going forward). I still have Win98SE machines
> on my network that are happily running scanners and hosting networked
> printers; they will continue to perform those functions until they
> literally die (and when they do, I will merely pick up anther discarded
> "clunker" from freecycle.com and run it). I am not a Luddite or deny
> technological improvements, but I really wonder what it is that Win 7
> is
> going to do for most users.

I'll echo what others have said:  it doesn't sound like you need it.

But yeah, what Tony said: ditch the 98 machines.


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Re: [CGUYS] Win7 Stampede?

[Jeff Wright]

> Going to feign a difficulty with reading comprehension? Why am I not
> surprised?

I don't have to feign finding you incomprehensible.


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Re: [CGUYS] Win7 Stampede?

[t.piwowar]

On Jun 25, 2009, at 10:22 PM, mike wrote:

I wonder if we could discuss which version I might want for
prosumer use at home?


Or what minimum version will do the job. With XP they tried to  
embarrass businesses into paying too much by attaching "Home" to the  
lower-cost version, even though "Home" was perfectly usable in a  
business setting. Are they doing that again or will there now be some  
missing gotcha in the Home edition?


Any speculation if they will be able to make these high prices stick  
in a slow economy? Compare to Adobe's offering an introductory price  
through May 31 on Creative Suite and then introducing a new offer on  
June 1 that was only $20 more and good through Aug 31.


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Re: [CGUYS] Win7 Stampede?

[Chris Dunford]

> I guess my question, after reading all the various specifications and
> comparison charts, is: why should I upgrade from XP

Well, Win7 is a much better OS than XP; it's more secure, easier to work with, 
and certainly much more pleasant to stare at for those who spend a lot of time 
doing so. But in your case I might not
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Re: [CGUYS] Win7 Stampede?

[Tony B]

In your case, I wouldn't. You'll just get it with new machines in due course.

Now, as to your Win98 machines - I'd upgrade those yesterday, even if
it means throwing them in the trash and buying new. By today's
standards, that was a really crappy OS. But let's not hijack this
thread with the old WinNT vs. Win9x debate.


On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 7:40 AM, Mike Sloane wrote:
> I guess my question, after reading all the various specifications and
> comparison charts, is: why should I upgrade from XP? It looks as if I would
> have to buy a new machine with more memory and faster processor speed, when
> the machines I have now work just fine with under 1 GHz and under 1 gig of
> memory. I don't play games or edit movies or watch TV - I just surf the
> 'net, do Email, create simple documents, and do limited processing and
> storage of digital images. I am all for "progress", but I am not convinced
> that I need this next step (aside from the promise of "lack of support" for
> XP going forward). I still have Win98SE machines on my network that are
> happily running scanners and hosting networked printers; they will continue
> to perform those functions until they literally die (and when they do, I
> will merely pick up anther discarded "clunker" from freecycle.com and run
> it). I am not a Luddite or deny technological improvements, but I really
> wonder what it is that Win 7 is going to do for most users.


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Re: [CGUYS] Win7 Stampede?

[Chris Dunford]

> I think XP Mode is for enterprise customers, to get them to convert
> to Win7 sooner, rather than later.

Yes, I think so too.


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Re: [CGUYS] Win7 Stampede?

[Mike Sloane]

I guess my question, after reading all the various specifications and 
comparison charts, is: why should I upgrade from XP? It looks as if I 
would have to buy a new machine with more memory and faster processor 
speed, when the machines I have now work just fine with under 1 GHz and 
under 1 gig of memory. I don't play games or edit movies or watch TV - I 
just surf the 'net, do Email, create simple documents, and do limited 
processing and storage of digital images. I am all for "progress", but I 
am not convinced that I need this next step (aside from the promise of 
"lack of support" for XP going forward). I still have Win98SE machines 
on my network that are happily running scanners and hosting networked 
printers; they will continue to perform those functions until they 
literally die (and when they do, I will merely pick up anther discarded 
"clunker" from freecycle.com and run it). I am not a Luddite or deny 
technological improvements, but I really wonder what it is that Win 7 is 
going to do for most users.


Mike

Chris Dunford wrote:

Of course, then the question becomes: What are the odds I would
ever need this?


And it's a good question, too. My own view is that I've never needed
an XP mode with Vista, so why would I need it with Win7? For those
still using XP, it's a different question, since they could 
conceivably be using critical apps that don't work with Vista

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Re: [CGUYS] Win7 Stampede?

[Roger D. Parish]

At 6:49 AM -0400 6/26/09, Chris Dunford wrote:


 > Of course, then the question becomes: What are the odds I would ever

 need this?


And it's a good question, too. My own view is that I've never needed 
an XP mode with Vista, so why would I need it with Win7? For those 
still using XP, it's a different question, since they could
conceivably be using critical apps that don't work with Vista 
(although that's pretty rare now) and not know it.


I think XP Mode is for enterprise customers, to get them to convert 
to Win7 sooner, rather than later.

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Re: [CGUYS] Win7 Stampede?

[Chris Dunford]

> Of course, then the question becomes: What are the odds I would ever
> need this? 

And it's a good question, too. My own view is that I've never needed an XP mode 
with Vista, so why would I need it with Win7? For those still using XP, it's a 
different question, since they could
conceivably be using critical apps that don't work with Vista (although that's 
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Re: [CGUYS] Win7 Stampede?

[mike]

Good to know, thanks.



On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 7:48 PM, Frank Sestir  wrote:

> Try here:
>
> Compare Win7 Versions <
> http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/windows7/products/compare-editions> at
> the Microsoft site.
>
>
> mike wrote:
>
>> Got a link for this?  Googling it I can't verify it.  Can you?
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 7:19 PM, Frank Sestir 
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> Versions below Win7 Pro don't give you WinXP Mode. You might want to
>>> consider that when choosing.
>>>
>>>
>>> Tony B wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
 Interesting. I think I'll get one for my own system. Instead of
 arguing, I wonder if we could discuss which version I might want for
 prosumer use at home?

 PS This link was broken too.


 On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 6:27 PM, t.piwowar wrote:




> "But U.S. shoppers who pre-order between June 26th and July 11th will
> receive discounts of 50% or more, Microsoft said. For instance, Windows
> 7
> Home Premium will sell for $49 during the discount period, while
> Windows
> 7
> Professional will sell for $99. Participating retailers include Best
> Buy
> and
> Amazon, as well as Microsoft's own online store."
>
>
>
> http://www.informationweek.com/news/windows/operatingsystems/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=218101425
>
>
>
>


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Re: [CGUYS] Win7 Stampede?

[Tony B]

Of course, then the question becomes: What are the odds I would ever
need this? Or that I could replicate it with vmware or some other
method? God knows, we're starting to accumulate old WinXP licenses
here. Except I imagine several of them are only for specific machines.

I know it's supposed to make running legacy software easier, but how
would you know if you needed that until you changed over?


>> Versions below Win7 Pro don't give you WinXP Mode. You might want to
>> consider that when choosing.


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Re: [CGUYS] Win7 Stampede?

[Frank Sestir]

Try here:

Compare Win7 Versions 
 
at the Microsoft site.


mike wrote:

Got a link for this?  Googling it I can't verify it.  Can you?

On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 7:19 PM, Frank Sestir  wrote:

  

Versions below Win7 Pro don't give you WinXP Mode. You might want to
consider that when choosing.


Tony B wrote:



Interesting. I think I'll get one for my own system. Instead of
arguing, I wonder if we could discuss which version I might want for
prosumer use at home?

PS This link was broken too.


On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 6:27 PM, t.piwowar wrote:


  

"But U.S. shoppers who pre-order between June 26th and July 11th will
receive discounts of 50% or more, Microsoft said. For instance, Windows 7
Home Premium will sell for $49 during the discount period, while Windows
7
Professional will sell for $99. Participating retailers include Best Buy
and
Amazon, as well as Microsoft's own online store."


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Re: [CGUYS] Win7 Stampede?

[mike]

Got a link for this?  Googling it I can't verify it.  Can you?

On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 7:19 PM, Frank Sestir  wrote:

> Versions below Win7 Pro don't give you WinXP Mode. You might want to
> consider that when choosing.
>
>
> Tony B wrote:
>
>> Interesting. I think I'll get one for my own system. Instead of
>> arguing, I wonder if we could discuss which version I might want for
>> prosumer use at home?
>>
>> PS This link was broken too.
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 6:27 PM, t.piwowar wrote:
>>
>>
>>> "But U.S. shoppers who pre-order between June 26th and July 11th will
>>> receive discounts of 50% or more, Microsoft said. For instance, Windows 7
>>> Home Premium will sell for $49 during the discount period, while Windows
>>> 7
>>> Professional will sell for $99. Participating retailers include Best Buy
>>> and
>>> Amazon, as well as Microsoft's own online store."
>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.informationweek.com/news/windows/operatingsystems/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=218101425
>>>
>>>
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Re: [CGUYS] Win7 Stampede?

[Frank Sestir]

Versions below Win7 Pro don't give you WinXP Mode. You might want to 
consider that when choosing.


Tony B wrote:

Interesting. I think I'll get one for my own system. Instead of
arguing, I wonder if we could discuss which version I might want for
prosumer use at home?

PS This link was broken too.


On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 6:27 PM, t.piwowar wrote:
  

"But U.S. shoppers who pre-order between June 26th and July 11th will
receive discounts of 50% or more, Microsoft said. For instance, Windows 7
Home Premium will sell for $49 during the discount period, while Windows 7
Professional will sell for $99. Participating retailers include Best Buy and
Amazon, as well as Microsoft's own online store."

http://www.informationweek.com/news/windows/operatingsystems/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=218101425






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Re: [CGUYS] Win7 Stampede?

[mike]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_7_editions

A small rundown of what is what.

On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 6:55 PM, Tony B  wrote:

> Interesting. I think I'll get one for my own system. Instead of
> arguing, I wonder if we could discuss which version I might want for
> prosumer use at home?
>
> PS This link was broken too.
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 6:27 PM, t.piwowar wrote:
> > "But U.S. shoppers who pre-order between June 26th and July 11th will
> > receive discounts of 50% or more, Microsoft said. For instance, Windows 7
> > Home Premium will sell for $49 during the discount period, while Windows
> 7
> > Professional will sell for $99. Participating retailers include Best Buy
> and
> > Amazon, as well as Microsoft's own online store."
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Re: [CGUYS] Win7 Stampede?

[Tony B]

Interesting. I think I'll get one for my own system. Instead of
arguing, I wonder if we could discuss which version I might want for
prosumer use at home?

PS This link was broken too.


On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 6:27 PM, t.piwowar wrote:
> "But U.S. shoppers who pre-order between June 26th and July 11th will
> receive discounts of 50% or more, Microsoft said. For instance, Windows 7
> Home Premium will sell for $49 during the discount period, while Windows 7
> Professional will sell for $99. Participating retailers include Best Buy and
> Amazon, as well as Microsoft's own online store."
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Re: [CGUYS] Win7 Stampede?

[mike]

Ok, I give..WTF are you on about with this one?

On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 5:21 PM, t.piwowar  wrote:

> On Jun 25, 2009, at 7:00 PM, Jeff Wright wrote:
>
>> Seriously?  You're bitching because they're having a sale?
>>
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> Going to feign a difficulty with reading comprehension? Why am I not
> surprised?
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Re: [CGUYS] Win7 Stampede?

[t.piwowar]

On Jun 25, 2009, at 7:00 PM, Jeff Wright wrote:

Seriously?  You're bitching because they're having a sale?


Going to feign a difficulty with reading comprehension? Why am I not  
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Re: [CGUYS] Win7 Stampede?

[Jeff Wright]

> I can't recall any other vendor giving its customers barely 2 weeks
> to place orders. To what can we attribute this? Does M$ need the
> money that bad? Are they doing this for their own personal amusement?
> Are they trying to keep ahead of the product reviews? Why? Why? Why?

Seriously?  You're bitching because they're having a sale?

Really?  

C'mon Tom, there's got to be a philatelist you know that can get you
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[CGUYS] Win7 Stampede?

[t.piwowar]

I can't recall any other vendor giving its customers barely 2 weeks  
to place orders. To what can we attribute this? Does M$ need the  
money that bad? Are they doing this for their own personal amusement?  
Are they trying to keep ahead of the product reviews? Why? Why? Why?




"The full version of Windows 7 Home Premium is priced at $199, with  
an upgrade from Vista or XP costing $119. The full version of Windows  
7 Professional is $299, with upgrades going for $199. Windows 7  
Ultimate is priced at $319, with the upgrade version at $219."


"But U.S. shoppers who pre-order between June 26th and July 11th will  
receive discounts of 50% or more, Microsoft said. For instance,  
Windows 7 Home Premium will sell for $49 during the discount period,  
while Windows 7 Professional will sell for $99. Participating  
retailers include Best Buy and Amazon, as well as Microsoft's own  
online store."


http://www.informationweek.com/news/windows/operatingsystems/ 
showArticle.jhtml?articleID=218101425



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