Re: [CGUYS] Wing Nuts Oppose Better Broadband

2010-03-15 Thread mike
Considering how frequently unintended consequences of regulation (when we have yet to see any true problems with the current internet system) wreak havoc on things I don't see the rush to go into giving FCC the power over the internet. It is non-centralized at the core, and we should keep it that

Re: [CGUYS] Wing Nuts Oppose Better Broadband

2010-03-15 Thread phartz...@gmail.com
On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 2:38 AM, mike xha...@gmail.com wrote: Considering how frequently unintended consequences of regulation (when we have yet to see any true problems with the current internet system) wreak havoc on things I don't see the rush to go into giving FCC the power over the

Re: [CGUYS] Wing Nuts Oppose Better Broadband

2010-03-15 Thread Art Clemons
On 03/15/2010 02:38 AM, mike wrote: Considering how frequently unintended consequences of regulation (when we have yet to see any true problems with the current internet system) wreak havoc on things I don't see the rush to go into giving FCC the power over the internet. It is non-centralized

[CGUYS] AVG free update attack?

2010-03-15 Thread John Emmerling
I have installed AVG free on my computer and my wife's computer. Several days ago, I saw a prompt similar to what you see when Windows installs a critical update, saying that I had received an update and would need to restart the computer to complete installation. The prompt had an AVG logo, so

Re: [CGUYS] Wing Nuts Oppose Better Broadband

2010-03-15 Thread mike
This implies there is no cost of government provided services in the real world. On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 9:20 AM, Art Clemons artclem...@aol.com wrote: The US disdain for government provided services has a cost in the real world.

Re: [CGUYS] Your house is a dump!

2010-03-15 Thread b_s-wilk
IS NOT!! This site links to Google Maps, http://maps.google.com/, and does a poor job of showing your house. I'm not sure whether Google deliberately points to the house/building/lot next door to whatever you seek. I checked an old address in Philly and the marker points to our former

Re: [CGUYS] Wing Nuts Oppose Better Broadband

2010-03-15 Thread phartz...@gmail.com
On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 12:20 PM, Art Clemons artclem...@aol.com wrote: The US disdain for government provided services has a cost in the real world. I have been under the belief that there have been proposals put forth providing for federal subsidies to be used to help pay for costs

Re: [CGUYS] AVG free update attack?

2010-03-15 Thread phartz...@gmail.com
On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 12:40 PM, John Emmerling jpemmerl...@gmail.com wrote: I have installed AVG free on my computer and my wife's computer. Several days ago, I saw a prompt similar to what you see when Windows installs a critical update, saying that I had received an update and would need

Re: [CGUYS] AVG free update attack?

2010-03-15 Thread John Emmerling
On 3/15/10, phartz...@gmail.com phartz...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 12:40 PM, John Emmerling jpemmerl...@gmail.com wrote: ... Several days ago, I saw a prompt similar to what you see when Windows installs a critical update, saying that I had received an update and would need

Re: [CGUYS] Your house is a dump!

2010-03-15 Thread tjpa
On Mar 15, 2010, at 1:21 PM, b_s-wilk wrote: Google is doing us a favor for when someone sends out a hitman--he goes to the wrong house. Google has a prominent notice that street addressees are approximate. Notice that you can type in a non-existent address and still find yourself at the

Re: [CGUYS] Wing Nuts Oppose Better Broadband

2010-03-15 Thread Chris Dunford
The US disdain for government provided services has a cost in the real world. This implies there is no cost of government provided services in the real world. No, it doesn't. It states that there's a cost, typically unacknowledged, of NOT having the services. There's no implication that

Re: [CGUYS] Wing Nuts Oppose Better Broadband

2010-03-15 Thread tjpa
On Mar 15, 2010, at 1:16 PM, mike wrote: This implies there is no cost of government provided services in the real world. Not by a long shot. But this is yet another great example of how your faulty logic leads to absurd conclusions.

Re: [CGUYS] Wing Nuts Oppose Better Broadband

2010-03-15 Thread tjpa
On Mar 15, 2010, at 12:20 PM, Art Clemons wrote: The US disdain for government provided services has a cost in the real world. I suspect these woefully ignorant wing nuts have no idea who paid for the development of the Internet.

Re: [CGUYS] Wing Nuts Oppose Better Broadband

2010-03-15 Thread mike
I didn't mean cost as in some monthly bill, i meant in the larger scheme. On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 11:05 AM, Chris Dunford seed...@gmail.com wrote: The US disdain for government provided services has a cost in the real world. This implies there is no cost of government provided services

[CGUYS] Computer printer recycling

2010-03-15 Thread Philip Marchetti
I know of an older gentleman in his 80's who is moving in a few months and has about 25 older Windows PC's with old CRT monitors and a bunch of BIG laser printers. He lives in Laurel, MD. Is there any organization or club that will go to his home and pick them up and recycle them, as in fix

Re: [CGUYS] Wing Nuts Oppose Better Broadband

2010-03-15 Thread tjpa
On Mar 15, 2010, at 1:34 PM, phartz...@gmail.com wrote: I have been under the belief that there have been proposals put forth providing for federal subsidies to be used to help pay for costs associated with increasing broadband internet penetration into currently unserved or under served areas

Re: [CGUYS] Wing Nuts Oppose Better Broadband

2010-03-15 Thread Chris Dunford
I didn't mean cost as in some monthly bill, i meant in the larger scheme. I didn't mean that either, and it still didn't imply what you said... * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** **

Re: [CGUYS] Your house is a dump!

2010-03-15 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
I thought it was jut my area. They went through a major readdressing change when E911 came in. My church has had at least three physical street addresses over the history of 50 years, but it has never moved. Stewart At 12:21 PM 3/15/2010, you wrote: IS NOT!! This site links to Google

Re: [CGUYS] AVG free update attack?

2010-03-15 Thread phartz...@gmail.com
On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 1:59 PM, John Emmerling jpemmerl...@gmail.com wrote: No argument, but in this case, do you think the update was legitimate (actually originating with AVG, etc.)? Dunno. That is sometimes the question one is left with after an auto-update. Steve

Re: [CGUYS] Wing Nuts Oppose Better Broadband

2010-03-15 Thread tjpa
On Mar 15, 2010, at 2:22 PM, mike wrote: I didn't mean cost as in some monthly bill, i meant in the larger scheme. You mean like being in the state of grace is a bad thing. * ** List info, subscription management, list

Re: [CGUYS] Wing Nuts Oppose Better Broadband

2010-03-15 Thread b_s-wilk
Considering how frequently unintended consequences of regulation (when we have yet to see any true problems with the current internet system) wreak havoc on things I don't see the rush to go into giving FCC the power over the internet. It is non-centralized at the core, and we should keep it that

Re: [CGUYS] Wing Nuts Oppose Better Broadband

2010-03-15 Thread mike
Sorry, some of us actually like the Contsitution. On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 12:06 PM, b_s-wilk b1sun...@yahoo.es wrote: The stupidest and one of the most dangerous comments by any recent president was by Ronnie Raygun when he said, The nine most terrifying words in the English language are:

Re: [CGUYS] RIM on the Brink

2010-03-15 Thread mike
Holding something the size of a poptart to your face to talk is one thing...holding something the size of a pan of lasagna is another. Palm is also on the brink, as noted in that email I sent a few days ago...Palm is even brinkier even. On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 11:59 AM, tjp t...@tjpa.com wrote:

Re: [CGUYS] Wing Nuts Oppose Better Broadband

2010-03-15 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
The problem is sometimes it is true. Anyone want to talk about New Orleans and the aftermath of Katrina. (Problems essentially caused by fouled up Corps of Engineers projects.) Now I am not saying that they always mess up, but when they do it tends to be spectacular. Stewart At 02:06

Re: [CGUYS] RIM on the Brink

2010-03-15 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
Not if you want to make phone calls. http://blog.taragana.com/index.php/archive/8-reasons-to-hate-ipad/ http://www.funnyordie.co.uk/videos/d2b714361c/hello Stewart At 01:59 PM 3/15/2010, you wrote: 40% of Blackberry users willing to trade in for an iPhone

Re: [CGUYS] RIM on the Brink

2010-03-15 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
I have seriously looked at Palms new phones. Just not sure what I want to do right now. Stewart At 02:18 PM 3/15/2010, you wrote: Holding something the size of a poptart to your face to talk is one thing...holding something the size of a pan of lasagna is another. Palm is also on the

Re: [CGUYS] AVG free update attack?

2010-03-15 Thread Tony B
Who knows. These days I use and recommend MS Security Essentials. It too has to update occasionally, but it's nowhere near as annoying as any of the other free AVs that try to use the occasion for advertising. On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 12:40 PM, John Emmerling jpemmerl...@gmail.comwrote: I have

Re: [CGUYS] Wing Nuts Oppose Better Broadband

2010-03-15 Thread b_s-wilk
This implies there is no cost of government provided services in the real world. No. That's a big DUH! Of course there are costs to government services, but consider this. How much of your income is disposable income? In countries with free democratic socialist governments like Sweden or

Re: [CGUYS] Wing Nuts Oppose Better Broadband

2010-03-15 Thread Art Clemons
On 03/15/2010 01:16 PM, mike wrote: This implies there is no cost of government provided services in the real world. No, I stated that there is a cost to disdaining government being involved in the provision of services. You're trying to produce a binary situation where there isn't one. Not

Re: [CGUYS] RIM on the Brink

2010-03-15 Thread mike
I have a friend who got a palm when they came out...he's had 3 due to faulty screens, lockups and general bad luck. On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 12:37 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall popoz...@earthlink.net wrote: I have seriously looked at Palms new phones. Just not sure what I want to do right now.

Re: [CGUYS] RIM on the Brink

2010-03-15 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
Well I am on Verizon so they have been out for a little while. Plus these are beefed up versions with a lot more memory than the Spint cousins. (8 GB) Stewart At 03:10 PM 3/15/2010, you wrote: I have a friend who got a palm when they came out...he's had 3 due to faulty screens, lockups and

Re: [CGUYS] RIM on the Brink

2010-03-15 Thread mike
The OS is pretty nice, although my friend has lost his contacts several times because of Palm outages...but other than that pretty robust. I've thought since they were released that the pixi and pre were both horridly designed phones, sharp edges on the pre and the small screen on the pixi, no

Re: [CGUYS] RIM on the Brink

2010-03-15 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
I will not buy a touch screen only phone. I want a physical keyboard. Not because I like keyboards that much but when you start having problems with the screen it is nice to have a physical backup. Stewart At 03:51 PM 3/15/2010, you wrote: The OS is pretty nice, although my friend has

Re: [CGUYS] RIM on the Brink

2010-03-15 Thread mike
A good plan, consider how usable or unusable the palm will be if the phone does have a screen problem. I think most of the interaction is tied to the screen so you may not be able to do much without the screen on that one either. On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 2:06 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall

Re: [CGUYS] AVG free update attack?

2010-03-15 Thread Sue Cubic
At 12:40 PM 3/15/2010, you wrote: Does anybody know if the AVG update prompt was legitimate? It seems to me that if this was an actual attack, work would have spread by now (I haven't heard anything about it). I am suspicious because I haven't experienced AVG presenting this type of prompt in

[CGUYS] PDF creation application

2010-03-15 Thread Wayne Dernoncourt
I've showed my wife how to use PDF Creator, it seems to have at least a few limitations: - has to be run as an Administrator - it only will print one page, there's no error message, it's just that nothing happens until you cancel the print job and get a dialog and get a single page I

Re: [CGUYS] Wing Nuts Oppose Better Broadband

2010-03-15 Thread tjpa
On Mar 15, 2010, at 3:20 PM, mike wrote: Sorry, some of us actually like the Contsitution. Expressing a preference over Charmin? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy,

Re: [CGUYS] Wing Nuts Oppose Better Broadband

2010-03-15 Thread mike
I never said I could spell On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 2:53 PM, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Mar 15, 2010, at 3:20 PM, mike wrote: Sorry, some of us actually like the Contsitution. Expressing a preference over Charmin?

Re: [CGUYS] RIM on the Brink

2010-03-15 Thread tjpa
On Mar 15, 2010, at 3:18 PM, mike wrote: Holding something the size of a poptart to your face to talk is one thing...holding something the size of a pan of lasagna is another. My iMac 27 is a heck of a lot larger than an iPad yet we find it is terrific for phone calls. No, I do not walk

Re: [CGUYS] Wing Nuts Oppose Better Broadband

2010-03-15 Thread Chris Dunford
The problem is sometimes it is true. Careful, now Mike is going to say that this implies that it's never not true. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member

Re: [CGUYS] PDF creation application

2010-03-15 Thread John Duncan Yoyo
Open Office lets you print directly to PDF and it is free. www.openoffice.org/ On Mar 15, 2010 5:45pm, Wayne Dernoncourt way...@panix.com wrote: I've showed my wife how to use PDF Creator, it seems to have at least a few limitations: - has to be run as an Administrator - it only will

Re: [CGUYS] PDF creation application

2010-03-15 Thread Mike Sloane
Sun OpenOffice. Mike Wayne Dernoncourt wrote: I've showed my wife how to use PDF Creator, it seems to have at least a few limitations: - has to be run as an Administrator - it only will print one page, there's no error message, it's just that nothing happens until you cancel the print

Re: [CGUYS] RIM on the Brink

2010-03-15 Thread mike
Well of course not, there is no proximity sensor! I do wonder how you see where you are going or go grocery shopping when you are out talking on the thing though... On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 3:00 PM, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Mar 15, 2010, at 3:18 PM, mike wrote: Holding something the size

Re: [CGUYS] Wing Nuts Oppose Better Broadband

2010-03-15 Thread mike
Don't misquote the jab. I never said never.. On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 3:17 PM, Chris Dunford seed...@gmail.com wrote: The problem is sometimes it is true. Careful, now Mike is going to say that this implies that it's never not true.

Re: [CGUYS] Wing Nuts Oppose Better Broadband

2010-03-15 Thread rleesimon
Wing nuts want to provide broad band via those stinkin' ugly wires around all over the place. Finally, all that hardware gets jammed up with every neighbor downloadin' his daily dose of porn. The way to get broadband out is multivalent approaches where some get wires, some get over the electric

Re: [CGUYS] PDF creation application

2010-03-15 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
Mac or PC? I use Software 995. (Paid version.) PC Stewart At 04:45 PM 3/15/2010, you wrote: I've showed my wife how to use PDF Creator, it seems to have at least a few limitations: - has to be run as an Administrator - it only will print one page, there's no error message, it's just

Re: [CGUYS] Wing Nuts Oppose Better Broadband

2010-03-15 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
Don't blame it all on wingnuts. I lived in LA for years. NO was a corrupt cesspool and everything was under funded but over paid, due to graft and pay offs. Nothing could get done without the right connections. Plus the response of both the Governor and the Mayor were spectacularly

Re: [CGUYS] PDF creation application

2010-03-15 Thread rleesimon
I use this frequently http://download.cnet.com/PDF995-Printer-Driver/3000-6675_4-10068482.html . It just puts a pdf printer on your list and you print to it. It, for the freeware, opens an ad to view in a browser window each time. It is no biggie for me and you can just close the ad right away.

Re: [CGUYS] RIM on the Brink

2010-03-15 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
But Tom you have the right connectors on it for that. Stewart At 05:00 PM 3/15/2010, you wrote: My iMac 27 is a heck of a lot larger than an iPad yet we find it is terrific for phone calls. No, I do not walk around with it pressed to my ear. We do not have to continue to use telephones

Re: [CGUYS] PDF creation application

2010-03-15 Thread Wayne Dernoncourt
Rev. Stewart Marshall Mac or PC? I use Software 995. (Paid version.) PC Valerie insists on a PC with WordPerfect. Me, I use a Mac that includes PDF creation as a service. -- Take care | This clown speaks for himself, his job doesn't Wayne D. | supply this, at least not directly Me

Re: [CGUYS] PDF creation application

2010-03-15 Thread Wayne Dernoncourt
John Duncan Yoyo Open Office lets you print directly to PDF and it is free. I shoulda mentioned that she's firmly stuck in the 1980's and uses WordPerfect. She's talking about moving to Word but _really_ doesn't want to. She uses WP for everything including file management. -- Take care |

Re: [CGUYS] PDF creation application

2010-03-15 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
PDF995 (Part of Software995 Suite) Installs as a print drive and when you click print select PDF and you have it. Love the program. It is not expensive and you get some nice utilities with it. It will work out of any program even Word Perfect. Stewart At 06:32 PM 3/15/2010, you wrote:

Re: [CGUYS] RIM on the Brink

2010-03-15 Thread rleesimon
I have only had one palm device ...a Palm IIIc ...wonderful device ...very nice for carrying around a database I needed professionally ...had good battery life ...could be backed up via an aftermarket thing that plugged into its port and had a storage subroutine ...had a snap on camera ...it was

Re: [CGUYS] AVG free update attack?

2010-03-15 Thread rleesimon
I use avast ...it works fine ...no ads ...updates are unobtrusive, but the voice that announces it was annoying so I edited the .wav file to keep just the ding and it works great... -Original Message- From: Tony B [mailto:ton...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, March 15, 2010 3:56 PM Subject:

Re: [CGUYS] PDF creation application

2010-03-15 Thread rleesimon
I loved wp... had such cool features ...like (of course in the late 1980s) could do delete from here to end of sentence which was a revelation back then... -Original Message- From: Wayne Dernoncourt [mailto:way...@panix.com] Sent: Monday, March 15, 2010 7:31 PM Subject: Re: PDF creation

Re: [CGUYS] AVG free update attack?

2010-03-15 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
Upgrade to the new version and it has a pleasant voice, plus the registration is easy, right in the program, no longer need to go to web and have them email you number. Still the same nice price, FREE. Stewart At 07:02 PM 3/15/2010, you wrote: I use avast ...it works fine ...no ads

Re: [CGUYS] noPad4me

2010-03-15 Thread rleesimon
The apple offer to replace the ipad with another one if the battery doesn't hold a charge for $100 is a joke .so you get some refurb someone else slimed upon .why does everything else accommodate a battery change that you can get from china via ebay for around $5 and apple needs to have their

Re: [CGUYS] RIM on the Brink

2010-03-15 Thread mike
Baby talk os? On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 4:55 PM, rleesimon rleesi...@gmail.com wrote: I have only had one palm device ...a Palm IIIc ...wonderful device ...very nice for carrying around a database I needed professionally ...had good battery life ...could be backed up via an aftermarket thing

[CGUYS] Apple to charge $107 for iPad battery replacement EarthLink - Technology News

2010-03-15 Thread Rev. Stewart A. Marshall
Nice to see that Apple continues to find ways to make their users pay even after the sale. http://my.earthlink.net/article/tec?guid=20100315/fe567e8a-1614-40e5-856b-d2892e0a69db --- This message was sent by popoz...@earthlink.net via http://addthis.com. Please note that AddThis does

Re: [CGUYS] Wing Nuts Oppose Better Broadband

2010-03-15 Thread tjpa
On Mar 15, 2010, at 6:36 PM, rleesimon wrote: Wing nuts want to provide broad band via those stinkin' ugly wires around all over the place. Finally, all that hardware gets jammed up with every neighbor downloadin' his daily dose of porn. The way to get broadband out is multivalent

Re: [CGUYS] noPad4me

2010-03-15 Thread tjpa
On Mar 15, 2010, at 8:24 PM, rleesimon wrote: The apple offer to replace the ipad with another one if the battery doesn't hold a charge for $100 is a joke .so you get some refurb someone else slimed upon .why does everything else accommodate a battery change that you can get from china via

Re: [CGUYS] Apple to charge $107 for iPad battery replacement EarthLink - Technology News

2010-03-15 Thread phartz...@gmail.com
On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 8:27 PM, Rev. Stewart A. Marshall popoz...@earthlink.net wrote: Nice to see that Apple continues to find ways to make their users pay even after the sale. Someone decided that most computer users are not smart enough to replace batteries. They may be right! Steve

Re: [CGUYS] noPad4me

2010-03-15 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
There is another reason behind this. Every manufacture is stuck with units that get returned, have minor problems and need fixes. What do you do with all these refurbished items? You can sell them on the secondary market, or you can recycle them by requiring units with dead batteries get

Re: [CGUYS] Wing Nuts Oppose Better Broadband

2010-03-15 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
Tom most governmental positions that are not controlled by Civil Service law are filled with pols frat boys and sorority sisters. That is how government works, unfortunately. I cant remember how many positions that are filled when a new administration comes in, but it is huge. I just read

Re: [CGUYS] PDF creation application

2010-03-15 Thread Wayne Dernoncourt
Rev. Stewart Marshall PDF995 (Part of Software995 Suite) Installs as a print drive and when you click print select PDF and you have it. Love the program. It is not expensive and you get some nice utilities with it. It will work out of any program even Word Perfect. I looked at the

Re: [CGUYS] Wing Nuts Oppose Better Broadband

2010-03-15 Thread mike
And Obama promoted the key wingnuts from Bush for the economy..that worked well! And how about them wildfires? Those environmental policies of leaving nice highly flammable dead wood and brush year after year really helped us get some good fires in. On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 5:38 PM, tjpa

Re: [CGUYS] noPad4me

2010-03-15 Thread phartz...@gmail.com
On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 9:05 PM, mike xha...@gmail.com wrote: When do these new batteries get into laptops? Is it only rumor that the newest MacBook Pro computers contain batteries that are not serviceable by the user? Steve

Re: [CGUYS] Wing Nuts Oppose Better Broadband

2010-03-15 Thread phartz...@gmail.com
On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 8:54 PM, mike xha...@gmail.com wrote: And Obama promoted the key wingnuts from Bush for the economy..that worked well! I think we all know who pretty much runs the show. The individual players may change, but the entities remain the same. Steve

Re: [CGUYS] noPad4me

2010-03-15 Thread mike
I mean this new battery tech that Tom was mentioning, not just batteries that are non-user replaceable. When will they arrive in laptops? On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 6:33 PM, phartz...@gmail.com phartz...@gmail.comwrote: On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 9:05 PM, mike xha...@gmail.com wrote: When do

Re: [CGUYS] noPad4me

2010-03-15 Thread b_s-wilk
This is easy. The iPad is a giant iPod Touch. We can open up the Touch to change the battery. Why not the iPad? The biggest problem is finding a source for the right battery, instead of a cheap copy. The battery could cost $50 [the $5 one is worth 90% less], spudger is less than $5, and you

Re: [CGUYS] Wing Nuts Oppose Better Broadband

2010-03-15 Thread Stewart Marshall
If memory and my history books are correct this has been a problem for eons. How do you think Pontius Pilate got his appointment as Procurator in Palestine? It was a political appointment. He certainly had some problems. (Not just from a religious standpoint.) To the victor goes the