Re: [CGUYS] Guys and GPS [and the moon]
One postscript on the GPS issue: don't get too used to relying on your GPS unit. The satellites on which GPS depends are aging and will need replacement very soon. No money has been appropriated for any replacement satellites, and you can't send the space shuttle up to fix them. So, basically, you're just one satellite failure away from having to get out your road maps and your compass. (The weather satellites [on which your nightly TV weather forecasts and Internet weather sites depend] are also wearing out and need to be replaced.) So maybe it's time to write your congressman and senators, if you like GPS [or weather forecasts of even marginal accuracy]. You might also remind your senators and your congressman that China and--surprisingly--India both have space programs and, among other goals, are aiming for the moon. I don't necessarily want the U.S. to do a land grab and claim the entire moon, but I don't want China to do it either. (Among other things, the moon could be a dandy gun platform, if an unfriendly government got hold of it. And, of course, the moon is the gateway to the rest of the solar system.) $3 billion, which is a lot of money but pocket change when you look at the stimulus program, would put NASA's moon program [as well as other programs] back on track--it's dead in the water right now, for lack of funds. I wonder what will be the predominant language of space exploration: English, or Chinese? --Constance Warner * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Guys and GPS [and the moon]
On Sep 10, 2009, at 1:30 PM, Constance Warner wrote: One postscript on the GPS issue: don't get too used to relying on your GPS unit. The satellites on which GPS depends are aging and will need replacement very soon. No money has been appropriated for any replacement satellites, and you can't send the space shuttle up to fix them. So, basically, you're just one satellite failure away from having to get out your road maps and your compass. (The weather satellites [on which your nightly TV weather forecasts and Internet weather sites depend] are also wearing out and need to be replaced.) So maybe it's time to write your congressman and senators, if you like GPS [or weather forecasts of even marginal accuracy]. Yes, Bush thought the gubment should get out of the business of doing anything useful and focus on killing foreigners. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Guys and GPS [and the moon]
On Sep 10, 2009, at 1:30 PM, Constance Warner wrote: I wonder what will be the predominant language of space exploration: English, or Chinese? Chinese, definitely. The American Century ended prematurely. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Guys and GPS
mike wrote: I've heard this all my life, but I've never met a guy who refused or didn't like asking for directions. We haven't met. I remember vividly the day, decades ago, when I swore I would never again stop my car to ask directions. That story is too long to tell here, but the usual accusation that it is a macho thing that prevents males to ask for help from other males or females is not correct in my opinion. The problem is the accuracy of information one can obtain by asking. If a man asks for directions, the directions might be wrong and if so, it may be due to miscommunication, feigned knowledge, or deliberate misleading whether received from male or female. If a woman asks for directions from a man, the man will strive mightily to help the damsel in distress so that the information she receives is more likely to be accurate. If she asks another female, whether the information received is accurate or not, at least she has15 minutes of pleasant conversation. Since the outcome of asking directions is more likely to be negative for a man than for a woman, the man is more reluctant to ask unless all else fails. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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what happens at home stays at home. Stewart At 11:29 AM 9/5/2009, you wrote: What else have you done when half schnockker'd, rev? -Original Message- From: mike [mailto:xha...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, September 04, 2009 5:08 PM Subject: Re: Guys and GPS I used to make delivers in a van from the main PO here to a credit processing center around 12-2am. I had nights when staying awake was very hard and other nights when I was fine. A couple of times when I wasn't tired I found myself 6 or 7 miles from the last turn off without having any memory of passing the half a dozen off ramps between. Zero memory. On Fri, Sep 4, 2009 at 9:32 AM, Rev. Stewart Marshall popoz...@earthlink.net wrote: There are some days when I get to the office or to somewhere I was going to travel that I simply cannot remember the trip! It is semi automatic driving. We are all guilty of it. Cruel joke but at least he listened to the directions! :-) Last year I was going to a Kiwanis club convention in state and I drove with a few other members. I had my GPS up as I was going to an area I was not familiar with. It was hilarious to hear one of the members argue with the GPS every now and then as we drove. If I had not driven with him before I would not have been amused, but he has a Chrysler Van that has it built in and he does it with that all the time. I will be honest I use them usually on long trips so when I get off the interstate at an interchange I am not familiar with it gets me back on without getting lost. (It has been known to happen!) Stewart At 11:24 AM 9/4/2009, you wrote: Someone (not me) came to work very tired last Monday morning. They had made a long trip. Halfway back to home someone had fiddled with the GPS and the infernal machine started giving them directions back to where they had started the day. They dutifully followed directions. Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Guys and GPS
What else have you done when half schnockker'd, rev? -Original Message- From: mike [mailto:xha...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, September 04, 2009 5:08 PM Subject: Re: Guys and GPS I used to make delivers in a van from the main PO here to a credit processing center around 12-2am. I had nights when staying awake was very hard and other nights when I was fine. A couple of times when I wasn't tired I found myself 6 or 7 miles from the last turn off without having any memory of passing the half a dozen off ramps between. Zero memory. On Fri, Sep 4, 2009 at 9:32 AM, Rev. Stewart Marshall popoz...@earthlink.net wrote: There are some days when I get to the office or to somewhere I was going to travel that I simply cannot remember the trip! It is semi automatic driving. We are all guilty of it. Cruel joke but at least he listened to the directions! :-) Last year I was going to a Kiwanis club convention in state and I drove with a few other members. I had my GPS up as I was going to an area I was not familiar with. It was hilarious to hear one of the members argue with the GPS every now and then as we drove. If I had not driven with him before I would not have been amused, but he has a Chrysler Van that has it built in and he does it with that all the time. I will be honest I use them usually on long trips so when I get off the interstate at an interchange I am not familiar with it gets me back on without getting lost. (It has been known to happen!) Stewart At 11:24 AM 9/4/2009, you wrote: Someone (not me) came to work very tired last Monday morning. They had made a long trip. Halfway back to home someone had fiddled with the GPS and the infernal machine started giving them directions back to where they had started the day. They dutifully followed directions. Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Guys and GPS
Used a nuvi 210 or 270 or something like that free with rental car in Belgium ...when road had sharp curve, thing would tell me to turn left or turn right leading to screeching brakes and almost rear-enders ...didn't say street names ...crap! I have an off brand VideoSeven v7Nav-730 and bought the pricey western European maps for it ...says street names and has lots of adjustable features ...when I try it I will report ...seems it uses iGo software proprietary and has traffic (I didn't pay for that) and warns for speeding and has lots of night modes to keep the vision unencumbered ...looks gud2me so far with usa map set which has free online upgrades ...only thing is no longer sold which may mean it's no good or may mean it's good and makers are not good at keeping their hands outa the till ...we'll see!! -Original Message- From: Eric S. Sande [mailto:esa...@erols.com] Sent: Friday, September 04, 2009 8:03 PM Subject: Re: Guys and GPS Ask just about any woman. Heh. I'll take the map and the compass every time. I'm not in any sort of a competition, and I do have a handheld GPS device, although I rarely carry it on my bicycle. I must say I've gotten a lot of unintelligible and just plain wrong directions, some even bizarre, on occasion. But my GPS does not talk, it's the kind that says, You Are Here. A friend of mine was on his way to Tierra del Fuego from Fairfax County, VA. On a motorcycle with a GPS. He got lost in the Atacama Desert, which isn't exactly good. He said later, I knew exactly where I was, but I didn't know which way to go. Hence the map and compass. My GPS does have a mapping function, which is as accurate as its map is. Which is pretty accurate, for CONUS. But I don't trust it implicitly, all maps contain errrors. Google maps are good, but not realtime. But a basic knowledge of astronomy, an accurate timepiece and a compass are all that is really required for navigation. Maps are nice, GPS is nice. But these are just in the nice things to have category. As far as the relationship issues are concerned, it is important to value input into the process. What we are trying to do here is get someplace. Women tend, I think, to value cooperation more than men. They value collaborative solutions, and that is good. A consensus value is more important than an absolute. Men want certainty, regardless of the consensus. If the consensus is perceived as wrong, and a certainty is available, a man will take it (it may be wrong too, but it's a basis for action). That I think may be why men are perceived by women as reluctant to ask for directions. And why they value a thing like GPS, because it depends on a certainty, position, but not a context, a map. The only problem is the reliability of the map, which some appear to take for granted but which cannot be assumed. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Guys and GPS
On Fri, Sep 4, 2009 at 12:49 AM, Art Clemonsartclem...@aol.com wrote: That claim might have been true when Garmins, Tom Toms and the like were a geek toy, but would you care to explain why most GPS units default to a female voice? You say, ...were a geek toy... Are you claiming that they are no longer geek toys? I say they most certainly are geek toys, which is why it is mostly guys who are driving around with them as far as I can see. Travel around a bit as a passenger so you can have time to look around and observe and you will see what I mean. As to the female voice, what guy doesn't like a female voice that purrs to him? Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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That claim might have been true when Garmins, Tom Toms and the like were a geek toy, but would you care to explain why most GPS units default to a female voice? I don't know about yours, but my TomTom has Homer Simpson as the voice. I bought that one, but TomToms have several standard voices to choose from out of the box, both male and female. You can even have one with a British accent, if you're into having a stern nanny correct your naughty, naughty driving. Also available are John Cleese and Mr. T. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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would you care to explain why most GPS units default to a female voice? Back in the day when I was working with the aerospace industry developing a flybywire systems, we did research showing that the testoserone laden jet jockeys, then pilots were exclusively male, would take direction from a female voice as they did not see a female voice as a challange their ego. Hence the use of female voice in automated flight warning systems saying things like Stall Warning, Stall Warning or Pull Up, Pull Up. A male voice would provoke a male to male confrontation over who's in charge here and actually lead to increased accidents. John Settle * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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You say, ...were a geek toy... Are you claiming that they are no longer geek toys? I say they most certainly are geek toys, which is why it is mostly guys who are driving around with them as far as I can see. Travel around a bit as a passenger so you can have time to look around and observe and you will see what I mean. As to the female voice, what guy doesn't like a female voice that purrs to him? Too many people rely on them, even when it doesn't make sense to do so. They no longer qualify as something only geeks want or have, instead, they've become mainstream. Car manufacturers even offer said units built in some higher end cars. There was a recent news item about German males being unwilling to follow directions from a female voice on a GPS. I understand that different nations have different customs but somehow I don't think US males are that different. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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On Fri, Sep 4, 2009 at 9:02 AM, Art Clemonsartclem...@aol.com wrote: Too many people rely on them, even when it doesn't make sense to do so. They no longer qualify as something only geeks want or have, instead, they've become mainstream. From my recent observations, there is still a very low percentage of cars on the road that appear to have GPS units. That seems to me to place such devices in the realm of esoteric as opposed to mainstream such as cell phones. I never said that GPS devices are used solely by geeks in my initial post on this subject. I merely said they were geek toys. Computers have most certainly gone mainstream, yet in many respects, remain geek toys to a huge degree. My main point was to indicate how members of the male order have quickly come to embrace that which they typically would previously shun, that being to take directions from a source other than themselves seemingly because the new source is digital, electronic and geeky. Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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On Sep 4, 2009, at 9:02 AM Sep 4, Art Clemons wrote: Too many people rely on them, even when it doesn't make sense to do so. Someone (not me) came to work very tired last Monday morning. They had made a long trip. Halfway back to home someone had fiddled with the GPS and the infernal machine started giving them directions back to where they had started the day. They dutifully followed directions. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Guys and GPS
Gizmophilia trumps Gelotophobia ...the result ...Androphobia! ...however, I'd prefer being beset by any of those than to be afflicted by Arachibutyrophobia !! -Original Message- From: phartz...@gmail.com [mailto:phartz...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2009 11:27 PM Subject: Guys and GPS Most women will tell you that it has traditionally been like pulling teeth to get most guys to ask for directions when driving or to consult a map when lost. Being a guy myself, and while actually not like those guys I just described, I can say that my experiences have shown that, indeed, most guys have preferred not to do anything that might indicate they did not know how to get from point A to point B while on the road. I therefore find it quite amusing to discover what appears to be the fact that GPS devices in cars are almost exclusively used by guys. In fact, these guys try as hard as they possibly can to make sure that everyone knows they are using GPS units by mounting them as conspicuously as possible on their windshields for all to see. Over the past few days I have taken to counting the number of cars I see with GPS devices being used and taking note of the gender of the drivers of these cars. Overwhelmingly, by something on the order of at least 14 or 16 to one or greater, it is guys. What has happened to the macho man of yesteryear who never needed no honkin' directions? Ditto the old saw that women did most of the talking on phones? I'd wager that these days, guys are as likely as gals to be on their cell phones. Also, being a typist on a keyboard used to be the domain of women. I'd also wager that guys are as likely to be typists these days as are gals. Whadda ya think? Is the digital age muddling gender stereotypes? Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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I use the GPS, but ignore its instructions. Mason On Sep 4, 2009, at 1:32 PM, phartz...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Sep 4, 2009 at 12:32 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshallpopoz...@earthlink.net wrote: I will be honest I use them usually on long trips so when I get off the interstate at an interchange I am not familiar with it gets me back on without getting lost. (It has been known to happen!) Back before GPS was available, were you one of those typical males who would be reluctant to consult a map out of fear of revealing a lack of complete knowledge, or worse yet, refuse to ask for directions from any of the locals when in the presence of others? Many men used to consider having to refer to any form of reference material while driving to be a sign of a lack of manhood, yet many of those same men now insist on having that GPS unit up and running all the time. What is it that changed for them? Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http:// www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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On Fri, Sep 4, 2009 at 12:32 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshallpopoz...@earthlink.net wrote: I will be honest I use them usually on long trips so when I get off the interstate at an interchange I am not familiar with it gets me back on without getting lost. (It has been known to happen!) Back before GPS was available, were you one of those typical males who would be reluctant to consult a map out of fear of revealing a lack of complete knowledge, or worse yet, refuse to ask for directions from any of the locals when in the presence of others? Many men used to consider having to refer to any form of reference material while driving to be a sign of a lack of manhood, yet many of those same men now insist on having that GPS unit up and running all the time. What is it that changed for them? Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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There are some days when I get to the office or to somewhere I was going to travel that I simply cannot remember the trip! It is semi automatic driving. This scared me when I was a young driver. Did I check when I changed lanes, or not? But then I read something in a James Bond: He switched off the autopilot that every good driver has (presumably he needed to concentrate on missile avoidance or something--I don't remember). I figured, well, then, I must be a good driver, and it didn't bother me anymore. And apparently James was right, because I haven't had an accident in over 40 years of driving. Anyway, Otto Pilot is why I use my GPS all the time, even if I'm going somewhere I already know. He prevents accidents but is less careful about getting off at the correct exit. Hilda gives me a fighting chance to end up in Baltimore as intended, rather than in Wilmington or Philadelphia or something. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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My husband the pilot argues with all these women who speak to him. Better them than me. He calls them all, collectively, Bitchin' Betty. (Sorry, Betty!) - Original Message - From: Rev. Stewart Marshall popoz...@earthlink.net To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Sent: Friday, September 04, 2009 12:32 PM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Guys and GPS There are some days when I get to the office or to somewhere I was going to travel that I simply cannot remember the trip! It is semi automatic driving. We are all guilty of it. Cruel joke but at least he listened to the directions! :-) Last year I was going to a Kiwanis club convention in state and I drove with a few other members. I had my GPS up as I was going to an area I was not familiar with. It was hilarious to hear one of the members argue with the GPS every now and then as we drove. If I had not driven with him before I would not have been amused, but he has a Chrysler Van that has it built in and he does it with that all the time. I will be honest I use them usually on long trips so when I get off the interstate at an interchange I am not familiar with it gets me back on without getting lost. (It has been known to happen!) Stewart At 11:24 AM 9/4/2009, you wrote: Someone (not me) came to work very tired last Monday morning. They had made a long trip. Halfway back to home someone had fiddled with the GPS and the infernal machine started giving them directions back to where they had started the day. They dutifully followed directions. Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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(I have a theory about the ask-for-directions issue, by the way: Most of the time, we don't think we're actually lost. Whatever we're looking for is just over the next hill or around the next bend, and, if not, our sense of direction will find it eventually. Women's navigation does not work this way, as has been demonstrated in controlled experiments. Most women rely primarily on landmarks, not on a sense of direction.) I can remember getting directions to look for a certain fast food chain right after a Catholic school. After the 5th turnoff to try that on Route 30, I got out my maps and figured out that I had about 20 more miles to go. When I got to where I had make my turn, there was no Fast Food option and the Parochial school had been turned into a warehouse. Enough times suffering through things like that, and you learn not to ever ask for directions. GPS units have other flaws, like telling you to bear left when there is a fork in the road, and it apparently is misreading the need to continue on the right fork and then turning left. If I am asked for directions I always try to give landmarks, mileage and the names of the two streets before having to turn left or right. My technique at least cuts down on turning off because the landmark is too generic. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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On Fri, Sep 4, 2009 at 1:52 PM, Mason Millermil...@sitewelder.com wrote: I use the GPS, but ignore its instructions. Is this the same as how you handle your wife or girlfriend? Just joking, of course. Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Back before GPS was available, were you one of those typical males who would be reluctant to consult a map out of fear of revealing a lack of complete knowledge See, I've never observed that to be much of a problem. I don't remember meeting any male who wouldn't consult a map in an unknown area. Everyone I knew pre-GPS had stacks of maps in the glove compartment. If you'd lived someplace for a while, you'd have three maps of the same area: 20, 10, and 5 years old (the oldest one had an Esso logo instead of Exxon). And we know how to fold them correctly. We do seem to be reluctant to ask for directions--but maps, no worries. (I have a theory about the ask-for-directions issue, by the way: Most of the time, we don't think we're actually lost. Whatever we're looking for is just over the next hill or around the next bend, and, if not, our sense of direction will find it eventually. Women's navigation does not work this way, as has been demonstrated in controlled experiments. Most women rely primarily on landmarks, not on a sense of direction.) * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Years uggo when I got my first Cincinnati Microwave Passport radar detector, it was provided with a reprint of an article recounting a study done (not by them if I remember) showing drivers with radar detectors had FEWER accidents than others ...wonder if it's been studied with GPS devices? -Original Message- From: Chris Dunford [mailto:seed...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, September 04, 2009 1:05 PM Subject: Re: Guys and GPS There are some days when I get to the office or to somewhere I was going to travel that I simply cannot remember the trip! It is semi automatic driving. This scared me when I was a young driver. Did I check when I changed lanes, or not? But then I read something in a James Bond: He switched off the autopilot that every good driver has (presumably he needed to concentrate on missile avoidance or something--I don't remember). I figured, well, then, I must be a good driver, and it didn't bother me anymore. And apparently James was right, because I haven't had an accident in over 40 years of driving. Anyway, Otto Pilot is why I use my GPS all the time, even if I'm going somewhere I already know. He prevents accidents but is less careful about getting off at the correct exit. Hilda gives me a fighting chance to end up in Baltimore as intended, rather than in Wilmington or Philadelphia or something. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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I turn on the GPS but when the sexy girl tells me turn around I do so in hope of catching a glimpse of her to see if she looks as good as she sounds!! Does that make me drive more safely?? -Original Message- From: phartz...@gmail.com [mailto:phartz...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, September 04, 2009 2:32 PM Subject: Re: Guys and GPS On Fri, Sep 4, 2009 at 1:52 PM, Mason Millermil...@sitewelder.com wrote: I use the GPS, but ignore its instructions. Is this the same as how you handle your wife or girlfriend? Just joking, of course. Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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I used to make delivers in a van from the main PO here to a credit processing center around 12-2am. I had nights when staying awake was very hard and other nights when I was fine. A couple of times when I wasn't tired I found myself 6 or 7 miles from the last turn off without having any memory of passing the half a dozen off ramps between. Zero memory. On Fri, Sep 4, 2009 at 9:32 AM, Rev. Stewart Marshall popoz...@earthlink.net wrote: There are some days when I get to the office or to somewhere I was going to travel that I simply cannot remember the trip! It is semi automatic driving. We are all guilty of it. Cruel joke but at least he listened to the directions! :-) Last year I was going to a Kiwanis club convention in state and I drove with a few other members. I had my GPS up as I was going to an area I was not familiar with. It was hilarious to hear one of the members argue with the GPS every now and then as we drove. If I had not driven with him before I would not have been amused, but he has a Chrysler Van that has it built in and he does it with that all the time. I will be honest I use them usually on long trips so when I get off the interstate at an interchange I am not familiar with it gets me back on without getting lost. (It has been known to happen!) Stewart At 11:24 AM 9/4/2009, you wrote: Someone (not me) came to work very tired last Monday morning. They had made a long trip. Halfway back to home someone had fiddled with the GPS and the infernal machine started giving them directions back to where they had started the day. They dutifully followed directions. Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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I've heard this all my life, but I've never met a guy who refused or didn't like asking for directions. On Fri, Sep 4, 2009 at 10:32 AM, phartz...@gmail.com phartz...@gmail.comwrote: On Fri, Sep 4, 2009 at 12:32 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshallpopoz...@earthlink.net wrote: I will be honest I use them usually on long trips so when I get off the interstate at an interchange I am not familiar with it gets me back on without getting lost. (It has been known to happen!) Back before GPS was available, were you one of those typical males who would be reluctant to consult a map out of fear of revealing a lack of complete knowledge, or worse yet, refuse to ask for directions from any of the locals when in the presence of others? Many men used to consider having to refer to any form of reference material while driving to be a sign of a lack of manhood, yet many of those same men now insist on having that GPS unit up and running all the time. What is it that changed for them? Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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On Fri, Sep 4, 2009 at 5:05 PM, mikexha...@gmail.com wrote: I've heard this all my life, but I've never met a guy who refused or didn't like asking for directions. Ask just about any woman. Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Ask just about any woman. Heh. I'll take the map and the compass every time. I'm not in any sort of a competition, and I do have a handheld GPS device, although I rarely carry it on my bicycle. I must say I've gotten a lot of unintelligible and just plain wrong directions, some even bizarre, on occasion. But my GPS does not talk, it's the kind that says, You Are Here. A friend of mine was on his way to Tierra del Fuego from Fairfax County, VA. On a motorcycle with a GPS. He got lost in the Atacama Desert, which isn't exactly good. He said later, I knew exactly where I was, but I didn't know which way to go. Hence the map and compass. My GPS does have a mapping function, which is as accurate as its map is. Which is pretty accurate, for CONUS. But I don't trust it implicitly, all maps contain errrors. Google maps are good, but not realtime. But a basic knowledge of astronomy, an accurate timepiece and a compass are all that is really required for navigation. Maps are nice, GPS is nice. But these are just in the nice things to have category. As far as the relationship issues are concerned, it is important to value input into the process. What we are trying to do here is get someplace. Women tend, I think, to value cooperation more than men. They value collaborative solutions, and that is good. A consensus value is more important than an absolute. Men want certainty, regardless of the consensus. If the consensus is perceived as wrong, and a certainty is available, a man will take it (it may be wrong too, but it's a basis for action). That I think may be why men are perceived by women as reluctant to ask for directions. And why they value a thing like GPS, because it depends on a certainty, position, but not a context, a map. The only problem is the reliability of the map, which some appear to take for granted but which cannot be assumed. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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The accuracy of the data is IMPORTANT. On the way to BurningMan one year, my friend's GPS steered us over a Nevada Mt. in the middle of the night, very accurately ... what wasn't accurate was the it said it was a paved road. It started out paved but ended up a logging road for most of the way. We crawled along at 5 mph, sometimes walking in front of the truck, through the washouts By the time we realized the extent of the situation, we couldn't even turn the truck around so we went forward and viola ... we made it. But it shouldn't have steered us to a logging road... the paved road data was inaccurate... My instincts a long way back were we were being steered wrong but my friend who owned the GPS was adamant about following the GPS... db Eric S. Sande wrote: Ask just about any woman. Heh. I'll take the map and the compass every time. I'm not in any sort of a competition, and I do have a handheld GPS device, although I rarely carry it on my bicycle. I must say I've gotten a lot of unintelligible and just plain wrong directions, some even bizarre, on occasion. But my GPS does not talk, it's the kind that says, You Are Here. A friend of mine was on his way to Tierra del Fuego from Fairfax County, VA. On a motorcycle with a GPS. He got lost in the Atacama Desert, which isn't exactly good. He said later, I knew exactly where I was, but I didn't know which way to go. Hence the map and compass. My GPS does have a mapping function, which is as accurate as its map is. Which is pretty accurate, for CONUS. But I don't trust it implicitly, all maps contain errrors. Google maps are good, but not realtime. But a basic knowledge of astronomy, an accurate timepiece and a compass are all that is really required for navigation. Maps are nice, GPS is nice. But these are just in the nice things to have category. As far as the relationship issues are concerned, it is important to value input into the process. What we are trying to do here is get someplace. Women tend, I think, to value cooperation more than men. They value collaborative solutions, and that is good. A consensus value is more important than an absolute. Men want certainty, regardless of the consensus. If the consensus is perceived as wrong, and a certainty is available, a man will take it (it may be wrong too, but it's a basis for action). That I think may be why men are perceived by women as reluctant to ask for directions. And why they value a thing like GPS, because it depends on a certainty, position, but not a context, a map. The only problem is the reliability of the map, which some appear to take for granted but which cannot be assumed. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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My instincts a long way back were we were being steered wrong but my friend who owned the GPS was adamant about following the GPS... Oh, it's accurate. It will tell you exactly where you are. Within 30 feet anywhere on the planet. The maps are of course the issue. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Eric S. Sande escribió: ..A friend of mine was on his way to Tierra del Fuego from Fairfax County, VA. On a motorcycle with a GPS. He got lost in the Atacama Desert, which isn't exactly good. He said later, I knew exactly where I was, but I didn't know which way to go. Hence the map and compass. My GPS does have a mapping function, which is as accurate as its map is. Which is pretty accurate, for CONUS. But I don't trust it implicitly, all maps contain errrors. Google maps are good, but not realtime. But a basic knowledge of astronomy, an accurate timepiece and a compass are all that is really required for navigation. Maps are nice, GPS is nice. But these are just in the nice things to have category... I/we travel in some pretty obscure places. I trust my Finnish compass more than a GPS. Unless you need to get to an appointment/meeting/client/customer in a hurry, a GPS is just an expensive toy. I can navigate with a map, compass, by stars as well as most people can use a GPS. No batteries needed. I have too many toys and am getting rid of most, except for my favorites. Now, if there were a way for my husband to learn how to read a map [he can] and give me good directions while I'm driving [he doesn't], that would be the only reason to get him a GPS. I'd rather read a map while I'm driving. ;-D Maybe I'll send him to the local forest ranger to learn orienteering. FWIW, Google [and most other] maps have lots of errors. [Any photos of your lost friend in Atacama or Tierra del Fuego?] Betty * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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FWIW, Google [and most other] maps have lots of errors. [Any photos of your lost friend in Atacama or Tierra del Fuego?] He made it to Tierra del Fuego, I'll say that. http://www.twowheelsgood.net/americas/americas.html I'll defer to him for the details. He's the adventurer of our bunch, I just ride a bicycle. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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I therefore find it quite amusing to discover what appears to be the fact that GPS devices in cars are almost exclusively used by guys. In fact, these guys try as hard as they possibly can to make sure that everyone knows they are using GPS units by mounting them as conspicuously as possible on their windshields for all to see. That claim might have been true when Garmins, Tom Toms and the like were a geek toy, but would you care to explain why most GPS units default to a female voice? Incidentally, I can remember when cellphones were a male thing too, that doesn't seem to be true anymore. I certainly have seen a lot of cars driven by women with the GPS unit going. Besides I know male drivers who even with a GPS unit can manage to so turned around that they cannot find what they're looking for. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
