Re: [CGUYS] noPad4me
When do these new batteries get into laptops? On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 5:43 PM, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote: Because Apple found that a hard to access battery could be made much larger, hence more battery life. They also found that the latest battery technology could give them batteries that lasted much longer than the typical life of the device. Hence very few people will actually need to ever change the battery. I think the made a smart choice. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] noPad4me
They want the $100 bucks regularly too... If the battery lasts 2 yrs, your unit cost goes up by 20% to keep it longer!! -Original Message- From: Rev. Stewart Marshall [mailto:revsamarsh...@earthlink.net] Sent: Monday, March 15, 2010 8:40 PM Subject: Re: noPad4me There is another reason behind this. Every manufacture is stuck with units that get returned, have minor problems and need fixes. What do you do with all these refurbished items? You can sell them on the secondary market, or you can recycle them by requiring units with dead batteries get returned and sending out refurbed units. Just make sure you do a backup and remember what your settings are. By not putting your refurbs on the secondary market you keep the price higher and control the market for your device. Sounds just like Apple. Stewart At 07:24 PM 3/15/2010, you wrote: The apple offer to replace the ipad with another one if the battery doesn't hold a charge for $100 is a joke .so you get some refurb someone else slimed upon .why does everything else accommodate a battery change that you can get from china via ebay for around $5 and apple needs to have their thing back and give you another one someone turned in. It's a horrible idea! Now, that ipad could have had an induction charge that would have lead to charge stations in your car's dashboard or airport waiting areas or starbukks .apple is not so ahead after all.is it? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] noPad4me
Spoken like a true fan. Only time will tell on that one Tom. But with Apple releasing a new version every couple of years of course you wont replace the battery, you just upgrade to a new version each time. Stewart At 07:43 PM 3/15/2010, you wrote: Because Apple found that a hard to access battery could be made much larger, hence more battery life. They also found that the latest battery technology could give them batteries that lasted much longer than the typical life of the device. Hence very few people will actually need to ever change the battery. I think the made a smart choice. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] noPad4me
Even easier ...don't buy the ipad... -Original Message- From: Fred Holmes [mailto:f...@his.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2010 5:27 PM Subject: Re: noPad4me At 10:02 PM 3/15/2010, b_s-wilk wrote: This is easy. The iPad is a giant iPod Touch. We can open up the Touch to change the battery. Why not the iPad? The biggest problem is finding a source for the right battery, instead of a cheap copy. The battery could cost $50 [the $5 one is worth 90% less], spudger is less than $5, and you save the rest by doing it yourself, just like any other computer repair. We'll have to see who has OEM batteries. That leaves you with $52 for a nice dinner and a bottle of wine. The $50 battery is making money on the blades. Fred Holmes * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Of course the battery replacement plan should be similar to the iPod plan where they give you a new/refurb unit. So for $100 you get a new iPad. On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 10:02 PM, b_s-wilk b1sun...@yahoo.es wrote: This is easy. The iPad is a giant iPod Touch. We can open up the Touch to change the battery. Why not the iPad? The biggest problem is finding a source for the right battery, instead of a cheap copy. The battery could cost $50 [the $5 one is worth 90% less], spudger is less than $5, and you save the rest by doing it yourself, just like any other computer repair. We'll have to see who has OEM batteries. That leaves you with $52 for a nice dinner and a bottle of wine. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * -- John Duncan Yoyo ---o) * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] noPad4me
On Mar 15, 2010, at 8:39 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote: By not putting your refurbs on the secondary market you keep the price higher and control the market for your device. Sounds just like Apple Apple sells lots of refurbs, both at their store and through secondary retailers. What's your point? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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On Mar 15, 2010, at 9:05 PM, mike wrote: When do these new batteries get into laptops? Not for you PC boy! * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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You go to good restaurants. Battery prices will be all over the place. Price is not always an indicator of quality, manufacturer is. Much like designer clothes. Very often made in the same factory to the same specs and a similar shirt, but with two wildly varying price tags. I see where Foxconn makes a lot of parts for various Apple products. In the PC world their Motherboards are not considered that good. Now that is not a slam on Foxconn. Just goes to show you that out of the same manufacturer can come two varying qualities of products. Smart car/Mercedes - Ford/Volvo - Rolls/Royce/Volkswagen etc. etc. Stewart At 09:02 PM 3/15/2010, you wrote: This is easy. The iPad is a giant iPod Touch. We can open up the Touch to change the battery. Why not the iPad? The biggest problem is finding a source for the right battery, instead of a cheap copy. The battery could cost $50 [the $5 one is worth 90% less], spudger is less than $5, and you save the rest by doing it yourself, just like any other computer repair. We'll have to see who has OEM batteries. That leaves you with $52 for a nice dinner and a bottle of wine. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] noPad4me
I mean in mac laptops. On Mar 16, 2010 10:24 AM, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Mar 15, 2010, at 9:05 PM, mike wrote: When do these new batteries get into laptops? Not for you PC boy! * ** List info, subscrip... * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 9:05 PM, mike xha...@gmail.com wrote: When do these new batteries get into laptops? Is it only rumor that the newest MacBook Pro computers contain batteries that are not serviceable by the user? Steve Batteries have been nonreplaceable in iPods since 1st gen. We've replaced batteries in 3 iPods: two 20GB 4th gen, and one 60 GB 5th gen iPod. MacBook Air has replaceable nonreplaceable battery. Unibody MacBooks and MacBook Pros also have these batteries [since 2009]. How to open the MB/MBP to replace these batteries: - Apple manual [see chapter 3], http://manuals.info.apple.com/en_US/MacBook_Pro_13inch_Mid2009.pdf - ifixit.com teardown, http://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/MacBook-Pro-13-Inch-Unibody/814/1 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] noPad4me
I'm talking about the new tech batteries Tom mentioned. On Mar 16, 2010 11:42 AM, b_s-wilk b1sun...@yahoo.es wrote: On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 9:05 PM, mike xha...@gmail.com wrote: When do these new batteries... Is it only rumor that the newest MacBook Pro computers contain batteries that are not serviceab... Batteries have been nonreplaceable in iPods since 1st gen. We've replaced batteries in 3 iPods: two 20GB 4th gen, and one 60 GB 5th gen iPod. MacBook Air has replaceable nonreplaceable battery. Unibody MacBooks and MacBook Pros also have these batteries [since 2009]. How to open the MB/MBP to replace these batteries: - Apple manual [see chapter 3], http://manuals.info.apple.com/en_US/MacBook_Pro_13inch_Mid2009.pdf - ifixit.com teardown, http://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/MacBook-Pro-13-Inch-Unibody/814/1 * ** List info, subscrip... * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] noPad4me
I'm talking about the new tech batteries Tom mentioned. So am I. The unibody MacBooks and MacBook Pros have used the new tech batteries--much longer life, holds charge longer, no mercury--since the early 2009 versions. Most likely mfg. to put these in a PC? Your guess. MSI, Sony [but it will break], Toshiba, Lenovo... * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] noPad4me
At 10:02 PM 3/15/2010, b_s-wilk wrote: This is easy. The iPad is a giant iPod Touch. We can open up the Touch to change the battery. Why not the iPad? The biggest problem is finding a source for the right battery, instead of a cheap copy. The battery could cost $50 [the $5 one is worth 90% less], spudger is less than $5, and you save the rest by doing it yourself, just like any other computer repair. We'll have to see who has OEM batteries. That leaves you with $52 for a nice dinner and a bottle of wine. The $50 battery is making money on the blades. Fred Holmes * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] noPad4me
It's already here: http://www.apple.com/macbookpro/battery/ The battery improvements come in part from: using lithium polymer instead of lithium ion or nickel-cadmium, better chemical composition, and making the battery smart with a chip that controls how individual cells are discharged and charged, which greatly extends the battery's useful life. The last big factor is that by not having the battery in a protective case with a battery change door and mechanism, etc., you can put in a lot more battery for a given weight/space. I know other ebook and computer manufacturers are moving to Li-poly, they may also do adaptive charging/discharging as well, but as long as they are wedded to making the battery removable they will lose to Apple on either capacity or weight. My son has a newer MacBook Pro with the built-in battery. I have a slightly older MacBook Pro with a user-replaceable battery. His laptop outlasts mine by quite a bit. If the advertised 7-hour battery life is an exaggeration, it isn't by very much. From:mike xha...@gmail.com Subject: Re: noPad4me I mean in mac laptops. On Mar 16, 2010 10:24 AM, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Mar 15, 2010, at 9:05 PM, mike wrote: When do these new batteries get into laptops? Not for you PC boy! * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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I spent $52 today on weekly food shopping, after $18 in coupons. My point is that the savings from changing the battery yourself vs. paying much more to have the shop do the same thing is like finding free money. You can do weekly shopping with it or you can splurge or you can save/invest it. I used to keep track of refund/coupon savings on a calendar when it was around $3000 a year. We save a lot more by doing simple tech jobs ourselves. After fixing the hardware yourself, you might need the drink. You go to good restaurants. Battery prices will be all over the place. Price is not always an indicator of quality, manufacturer is. Much like designer clothes. Very often made in the same factory to the same specs and a similar shirt, but with two wildly varying price tags. That leaves you with $52 for a nice dinner and a bottle of wine. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] noPad4me
Fixing things is not my problem. Replaced and upgraded hard drives in many Laptops, and in Netbooks. (Upgraded memory in sons and is companions netbook, and swapped out the HD in one of them. pretty simple to work on really.) No drink needed. Drink celebrated of course. The smaller stuff gives me a few problems. (Steadiness of hand, and grip problem, not to mention must have glasses on and aimed just right.) I can eat dinner for a lot less. (usually do) I spend as little money on computer repairs as possible. That is why I build most of my desktop units. I know what I am putting in it. Stewart At 11:32 PM 3/16/2010, you wrote: I spent $52 today on weekly food shopping, after $18 in coupons. My point is that the savings from changing the battery yourself vs. paying much more to have the shop do the same thing is like finding free money. You can do weekly shopping with it or you can splurge or you can save/invest it. I used to keep track of refund/coupon savings on a calendar when it was around $3000 a year. We save a lot more by doing simple tech jobs ourselves. After fixing the hardware yourself, you might need the drink. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] noPad4me
The apple offer to replace the ipad with another one if the battery doesn't hold a charge for $100 is a joke .so you get some refurb someone else slimed upon .why does everything else accommodate a battery change that you can get from china via ebay for around $5 and apple needs to have their thing back and give you another one someone turned in. It's a horrible idea! Now, that ipad could have had an induction charge that would have lead to charge stations in your car's dashboard or airport waiting areas or starbukks .apple is not so ahead after all.is it? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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On Mar 15, 2010, at 8:24 PM, rleesimon wrote: The apple offer to replace the ipad with another one if the battery doesn't hold a charge for $100 is a joke .so you get some refurb someone else slimed upon .why does everything else accommodate a battery change that you can get from china via ebay for around $5 and apple needs to have their thing back and give you another one someone turned in Because Apple found that a hard to access battery could be made much larger, hence more battery life. They also found that the latest battery technology could give them batteries that lasted much longer than the typical life of the device. Hence very few people will actually need to ever change the battery. I think the made a smart choice. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] noPad4me
There is another reason behind this. Every manufacture is stuck with units that get returned, have minor problems and need fixes. What do you do with all these refurbished items? You can sell them on the secondary market, or you can recycle them by requiring units with dead batteries get returned and sending out refurbed units. Just make sure you do a backup and remember what your settings are. By not putting your refurbs on the secondary market you keep the price higher and control the market for your device. Sounds just like Apple. Stewart At 07:24 PM 3/15/2010, you wrote: The apple offer to replace the ipad with another one if the battery doesn't hold a charge for $100 is a joke .so you get some refurb someone else slimed upon .why does everything else accommodate a battery change that you can get from china via ebay for around $5 and apple needs to have their thing back and give you another one someone turned in. It's a horrible idea! Now, that ipad could have had an induction charge that would have lead to charge stations in your car's dashboard or airport waiting areas or starbukks .apple is not so ahead after all.is it? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 9:05 PM, mike xha...@gmail.com wrote: When do these new batteries get into laptops? Is it only rumor that the newest MacBook Pro computers contain batteries that are not serviceable by the user? Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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I mean this new battery tech that Tom was mentioning, not just batteries that are non-user replaceable. When will they arrive in laptops? On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 6:33 PM, phartz...@gmail.com phartz...@gmail.comwrote: On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 9:05 PM, mike xha...@gmail.com wrote: When do these new batteries get into laptops? Is it only rumor that the newest MacBook Pro computers contain batteries that are not serviceable by the user? Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] noPad4me
This is easy. The iPad is a giant iPod Touch. We can open up the Touch to change the battery. Why not the iPad? The biggest problem is finding a source for the right battery, instead of a cheap copy. The battery could cost $50 [the $5 one is worth 90% less], spudger is less than $5, and you save the rest by doing it yourself, just like any other computer repair. We'll have to see who has OEM batteries. That leaves you with $52 for a nice dinner and a bottle of wine. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
