Re: [CGUYS] please help with VISTA
Vista is not so bad unless you want to run legacy software.. Of course I want to run legacy software. Workflows have been developed over many years, sometimes decades. I don't want some punk programmer telling me I have to re-engineer my business. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Does this sound like a good plan? Get a new fast Vista machine because that is what is out there. Load XP on a virtual machine running under Vista to handle legacy software. Of course I want to run legacy software. Workflows have been developed over many years, sometimes decades. I don't want some punk programmer telling me I have to re-engineer my business. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * -- John Duncan Yoyo ---o) * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] please help with VISTA
Vista is not so bad unless you want to run legacy software.. Of course I want to run legacy software. Workflows have been developed over many years, sometimes decades. I don't want some punk programmer telling me I have to re-engineer my business. Again, an overstatement (the original, not your reply). Most legacy apps run fine. As I've mentioned before, I am running MOSTLY legacy apps here, including some DOS programs that I wrote 25+ years ago. For the most part, the ones that have problems are those that try to do something that Vista no longer permits for security reasons. And Vista bends over backwards to accommodate even those. E.g., you can't write to Program Files any more, but a lot of old programs try to. For those, Vista puts the data in a virtual folder, and most programs won't even know that it isn't where they think it is. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Does this sound like a good plan? Get a new fast Vista machine because that is what is out there. Load XP on a virtual machine running under Vista to handle legacy software. Most users won't need to. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Can that virtual folder be readily backed up? I.e., is the location of the virtual folder obvious? Or does vista provide a new backup program that can be readily used to back them up? Fred Holmes At 09:54 AM 8/11/2008, Chris Dunford wrote: For the most part, the ones that have problems are those that try to do something that Vista no longer permits for security reasons. And Vista bends over backwards to accommodate even those. E.g., you can't write to Program Files any more, but a lot of old programs try to. For those, Vista puts the data in a virtual folder, and most programs won't even know that it isn't where they think it is. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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You still run software from OS 8 on your mac os x machine? On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 6:20 AM, Tom Piwowar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Vista is not so bad unless you want to run legacy software.. Of course I want to run legacy software. Workflows have been developed over many years, sometimes decades. I don't want some punk programmer telling me I have to re-engineer my business. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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If Tom were to use virtualization, he'd be better off doing it on a Mac or Linux machine, because virtualization is notoriously buggy and runs with too much overhead on Vista. However, if he is running the legacy software as one of his primary applications, he would be adding a layer of complexity that he probably wouldn't want. However, he should also be wary of too much reliance on legacy systems. As an example, consider the following: http://www.sacbee.com/111/story/1132588.html California state computers can't handle pay cut, controller says, It turns out that the California payroll system is a legacy COBOL system being held together with spit and baling wire. From:John Duncan Yoyo [EMAIL PROTECTED] Does this sound like a good plan? Get a new fast Vista machine because that is what is out there. Load XP on a virtual machine running under Vista to handle legacy software. From:Tom Piwowar [EMAIL PROTECTED] Vista is not so bad unless you want to run legacy software.. Of course I want to run legacy software. Workflows have been developed over many years, sometimes decades. I don't want some punk programmer telling me I have to re-engineer my business. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] please help with VISTA
Can that virtual folder be readily backed up? I.e., is the location of the virtual folder obvious? Or does vista provide a new backup program that can be readily used to back them up? E.g., you can't write to Program Files any more, but a lot of old programs try to. For those, Vista puts the data in a virtual folder, and most programs won't even know that it isn't where they think it is. I don't know how obvious it is, but the folder is %LOCALAPPDATA%\VirtualStore\Program Files, which is normally: C:\Users\(user-name)\AppData\Local\VirtualStore\Program Files Any reasonable backup scheme is going to back up the user folder, so it would be included in that. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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At 12:46 PM 8/11/2008, David K Watson wrote: http://www.sacbee.com/111/story/1132588.html California state computers can't handle pay cut, controller says, It turns out that the California payroll system is a legacy COBOL system being held together with spit and baling wire. The article is probably true, but the fix is readily available. There are plenty of competent COBOL programmers out there; it is still widely used. And its source code is ASCII, so a good programmer's editor (Vi, anyone?) with a competent macro language such as The Semware Editor (http://www.semware.com) can change a whole lot of values in a batch run quickly, as long as there is an algorithm to be implemented. Fred Holmes * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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You still run software from OS 8 on your mac os x machine? Look at my email headers. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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You still run software from OS 8 on your mac os x machine? Look at my email headers. I think the point was, can you run ALL of your OS 8 stuff? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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I think the point was, can you run ALL of your OS 8 stuff? Why would I want to do that? I'm not running a museum here. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Just a cupboard with some old figurines. I can't think of any apps that I miss so much I'd run in an emu just to keep active after ten years of being out of circulation on mac or windows. BTW, no offense here if Gwen is being held captive by tiny trolls but...what happened to her? She seemed very put out and then no post for 3 days. Mike On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 3:56 PM, Tom Piwowar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think the point was, can you run ALL of your OS 8 stuff? Why would I want to do that? I'm not running a museum here. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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I think the point was, can you run ALL of your OS 8 stuff? Why would I want to do that? I'm not running a museum here. So, Vista is useless because I have to run legacy software. OS X is fine because I'm not running a museum. OK, that makes sense. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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OK, that makes sense. Thank you. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Each new release of Windows requires more RAM and horse power. I recommend as a minimum: A dual core processor and 2GB RAM (if you want to do more than run a single program). Vista is not so bad unless you want to run legacy software.. much better security, and several new features that I really love. (not as nice as a Mac, but not as expensive either) Please tell us which model you purchased. - Brian - Original Message - From: Gwen Garfinkle [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [CGUYS] please help with VISTA I'm so frustrated with my new computer that I could scream. I know you must talk about this all the time. New computer - VISTA - and I feel like I am living in the dark ages. Everything takes forever to do and I get a lot of (not responding ) at the top of the screen while the computer is thinking. I try to ride it out - have no choice - please help. Gwen * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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At 12:56 AM -0400 8/9/08, Eric S. Sande wrote: New computer - VISTA - and I feel like I am living in the dark ages. The make and model of the computer and the version of Vista would be helpful information. As would the amount of RAM installed. The quickest and easiest cure for sluggish computers is usually more RAM. -- Roger Lovettsville, VA * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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As would the amount of RAM installed. The quickest and easiest cure for sluggish computers is usually more RAM. (Actually the best cure is a better operating system.) * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] please help with VISTA
I'm so frustrated with my new computer that I could scream. I know you must talk about this all the time. New computer - VISTA - and I feel like I am living in the dark ages. Everything takes forever to do and I get a lot of (not responding ) at the top of the screen while the computer is thinking. I try to ride it out - have no choice - please help. How long have you had this computer? If it starts out bad it will probably continue to be bad. The best thing for you to do is to return it for a refund. Then buy something different. BTW, this is not Tom being anti Vista. I have told people to return bad Macs for a refund. If a new computer of any kind is not working well it is not something you want to keep around. Tracking down and fixing a manufacturing defect can take a long time. Dealing with tech support is very time consuming. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Actually, 32 bit Vista doesn't get better with more RAM; 64 bit does. Eschew Obfuscation This is a reply from: Roy A. Ackerman, Ph.D., E.A. Financial, Managerial, and Technical Services for the Professional, Non-Profit, and the Entrepreneurial Organization 703.548.1343 voice 703.783.1340 fax From thinking to doing, from sales to profits, from tax to investments- we are YOUR adjuvancy -Original Message- From: Computer Guys Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom Piwowar Sent: 08/09/2008 1:33 PM To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] please help with VISTA As would the amount of RAM installed. The quickest and easiest cure for sluggish computers is usually more RAM. (Actually the best cure is a better operating system.) * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Actually, 32 bit Vista doesn't get better with more RAM; 64 bit does. How do you figure that? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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32 bit can only address 3 gigs of ram for the OS. Mike On Sat, Aug 9, 2008 at 1:01 PM, Chris Dunford [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Actually, 32 bit Vista doesn't get better with more RAM; 64 bit does. How do you figure that? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Actually, 32 bit Vista doesn't get better with more RAM; 64 bit does. How do you figure that? 32 bit can only address 3 gigs of ram for the OS. Well, that's an oversimplification, but even so it's not the same as saying that 32-bit Vista doesn't get better with more RAM. Vista with 2 or 3 gigs is going to run faster than Vista with 512 megs. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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I was over simplifying what he meant, not explaining what he said. Mike On Sat, Aug 9, 2008 at 2:29 PM, Chris Dunford [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Actually, 32 bit Vista doesn't get better with more RAM; 64 bit does. How do you figure that? 32 bit can only address 3 gigs of ram for the OS. Well, that's an oversimplification, but even so it's not the same as saying that 32-bit Vista doesn't get better with more RAM. Vista with 2 or 3 gigs is going to run faster than Vista with 512 megs. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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New computer - VISTA - and I feel like I am living in the dark ages. The make and model of the computer and the version of Vista would be helpful information. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
