Re: [COOT] Problem with Coot Density Fit Analysis with PHENIX map coefficients

2013-01-21 Thread Clemens Vonrhein
Dear all, On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 07:48:34AM -0800, Nat Echols wrote: If I had to guess, I'd say that the output from Refmac is on an approximately absolute scale, i.e. the volume-scaled density values resemble the actual electron densities expected for the model. (I say approximately

Re: [COOT] Problem with Coot Density Fit Analysis with PHENIX map coefficients

2013-01-21 Thread Paul Emsley
On 21/01/13 14:21, Clemens Vonrhein wrote: Dear all, On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 07:48:34AM -0800, Nat Echols wrote: If I had to guess, I'd say that the output from Refmac is on an approximately absolute scale, i.e. the volume-scaled density values resemble the actual electron densities expected

Re: [COOT] Problem with Coot Density Fit Analysis with PHENIX map coefficients

2013-01-21 Thread Nat Echols
On Mon, Jan 21, 2013 at 6:21 AM, Clemens Vonrhein vonrh...@globalphasing.com wrote: Just for the record: the map-coefficients written by BUSTER (amplitudes 2FOFCWT and FOFCWT in the final 'refine.mtz' file) are on the same scale as the model (amplitude FC) ie. on approximate absolute scale.

Re: [COOT] Problem with Coot Density Fit Analysis with PHENIX map coefficients

2013-01-17 Thread Tim Gruene
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Bernhard, this sounds odd - wouldn't both maps be calculated from F/PHI by coot itself? Why would Paul (Kevin?) make a difference there between phenix and refmac5? Curiously, Tim On 01/17/2013 10:23 AM, Bernhard Lohkamp wrote: Hi Pedro, this

Re: [COOT] Problem with Coot Density Fit Analysis with PHENIX map coefficients

2013-01-17 Thread Pedro M. Matias
Hi, Bernhard, To clarify my previous e-mail, in both cases the maps are being calculated from weighted coefficients from an MTZ file output by the program. I tried calculating a weighted 2Fo-Fc map in CCP4i using the PHENIX MTZ file and the end-result (red bars) was the same. Pedro. At

Re: [COOT] Problem with Coot Density Fit Analysis with PHENIX map coefficients

2013-01-17 Thread Hruza, Alan
Density Fit Analysis with PHENIX map coefficients Hi, Bernhard, To clarify my previous e-mail, in both cases the maps are being calculated from weighted coefficients from an MTZ file output by the program. I tried calculating a weighted 2Fo-Fc map in CCP4i using the PHENIX MTZ file and the end

Re: [COOT] Problem with Coot Density Fit Analysis with PHENIX map coefficients

2013-01-17 Thread Phil Evans
(hesitating to restart an old flame war) There has been a long-standing argument about scaling of electron density maps, with many people deprecating sigma-scaling, for two reasons 1) in 2Fo-Fc type maps, sigma = RMS density is a function among other things of the solvent content (smaller with

Re: [COOT] Problem with Coot Density Fit Analysis with PHENIX map coefficients

2013-01-17 Thread Pedro M. Matias
Excuse me if I'm wrong but should't the correlation coefficient between Fo and Fc (which is what the Density Fit analysis is looking at) be independent of this issue, provided Fo and Fc are on the same scale ? And since the map is calculated from weighted 2Fo-Fc amplitudes and phases the

Re: [COOT] Problem with Coot Density Fit Analysis with PHENIX map coefficients

2013-01-17 Thread Pedro M. Matias
Well, the problem seems to occur when Intensities are input to PHENIX instead of structure factors. I repeated a run using Fobs, SigFobs as input instead of IMEAN, SIGIMEAN and the Density Fit Analysis graph looks normal. At 16:57 17-01-2013, Nathaniel Echols wrote: Actually, after some