Re: [COOT] Wild refinement of waters

2021-06-04 Thread Paul Emsley
After more off-list correspondence, I further investigated the water refinement issue. I now think that the problem isn't what I thought it was. A few months ago, I had noticed how frustratingly long it took for Coot to start moving the atoms when RSRing a fragment into a cryo-EM map. I

Re: [COOT] Wild refinement of waters

2021-06-03 Thread Paul Emsley
On Thu, 2021-06-03 at 09:02 -0700, Philip Kiser wrote: > Thank you for spotting the problem and introducing the new restraint. I have > to say that it was easy to get in the > habit of creating poorly placed water molecules when filling difference map > peaks as the prior refinement method for >

Re: [COOT] Wild refinement of waters

2021-06-03 Thread Philip Kiser
Hi Paul, Thank you for spotting the problem and introducing the new restraint. I have to say that it was easy to get in the habit of creating poorly placed water molecules when filling difference map peaks as the prior refinement method for isolated waters would just move them into the nearby

Re: [COOT] Wild refinement of waters

2021-06-03 Thread Paul Emsley
On Wed, 2021-06-02 at 15:56 +0100, Paul Emsley wrote: > On Tue, 2021-06-01 at 20:45 +0100, David M Dranow wrote: > > Does anyone have a decent set of refinement parameters for Coot 0.9.5 in > > linux? My colleagues and I find that using > > the "r" shortcut causes most waters to fly off and

Re: [COOT] Wild refinement of waters

2021-06-02 Thread Paul Emsley
On Wed, 2021-06-02 at 09:03 -0700, Philip Kiser wrote: > I also have observed the unusual behavior with waters not staying in the > density after using the "r" key binding. Do you have an example? The "R" key (I mean not "Shift-R") should not move waters if the centred residue is not a water.

Re: [COOT] Wild refinement of waters

2021-06-02 Thread Philip Kiser
Hi Everyone, I also have observed the unusual behavior with waters not staying in the density after using the "r" key binding. In many cases, there aren't any egregious clashes that could be forcing the water out of the density. I tried changing the Lennard-Jones setting in the refine/regularize

Re: [COOT] Wild refinement of waters

2021-06-02 Thread Paul Emsley
On Wed, 2021-06-02 at 10:44 +0100, Eleanor Dodson wrote: > I think it is a sphere refine problem. Just use the old real space refine.. > sphere refine hates clashes, It's not "sphere refine" that hates clashes, it's that the non-bonded contact interactions have a new model. > so before you

Re: [COOT] Wild refinement of waters

2021-06-02 Thread Paul Emsley
On Tue, 2021-06-01 at 20:45 +0100, David M Dranow wrote: > > Does anyone have a decent set of refinement parameters for Coot 0.9.5 in > linux? My colleagues and I find that using > the "r" shortcut causes most waters to fly off and center on carbons, > sometimes as far away as 45 Å! I've

Re: [COOT] Wild refinement of waters

2021-06-02 Thread Eleanor Dodson
I think it is a sphere refine problem. Just use the old real space refine.. sphere refine hates clashes , so before you try to fix something you need to delete any feature which will create one..\ I argue with Paul about the philosophy but he has the expertise! Eleanor On Wed, 2 Jun 2021 at

Re: [COOT] Wild refinement of waters

2021-06-02 Thread F . Xavier Gomis-Rüth
I have experienced the same issue with 0.9.5 for Mac. Most strikingly, this seems to occur randomly: some waters are refined as usual but other are shifted dozens of Å to stick to a carbon of the model. A similar effect is observed when refining solvents with the "x" key. On 1/6/21 21:45,