Re: [COOT] WinCoot 0.9 beta2 waters

[Paul Emsley]

On 26/06/2020 21:01, Haji-Ghassemi, Omid wrote:


Dear fellow WinCoot users,

I recently updated my Wincoot to the latest 0.9 beta and changed the 
start-up script to load all of the library and dictionary files 
required for refinement (as Bernhard suggested).


Everything seem to work fine, but my waters appear as a small red dots 
instead of the more visually pleasing red cross. I know this is a 
minor issue and I could just move on, but I would like to change it 
back if possible. Any ideas? Have anyone else experienced this?




It isn't possible in 0.9. Using tiny atoms for waters was a backwards 
step it now seems. I have improved the atom radius for waters in 0.9.1.



Paul.





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Re: [COOT] WinCoot 0.9 beta2 - refinement setup failure

[Aleksandr Sverzhinsky]

For what it's worth, I found the monomer library in the older coot installation 
(share>coot>lib) and copied it to the same place in coot 0.9. Refinement works 
now, but I may run into more problems as I go.



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Re: [COOT] WinCoot 0.9 beta2 - refinement setup failure

[Daniel Asarnow]

I think the simplest way is to install the last available WinCoot 0.8x
installer, then unpack 0.9 in that directory.

Best,
-da

On Fri, Jun 26, 2020 at 10:59 AM Aleksandr Sverzhinsky <
aleksandr.sverzhin...@umontreal.ca> wrote:

> Thank you, that confirms that I'm using it as intended. Pardon the naive
> question, but how do I get the dictionary from the old coot or from phenix?
>
> Aleksandr
>
> On Thu, 25 Jun 2020 20:51:21 +0200, Bernhard Lohkamp <
> bernhard.lohk...@ki.se> wrote:
>
> >Hello,
> >
> >On 25/06/2020 18:05, Aleksandr Sverzhinsky wrote:
> >> Hello,
> >>
> >> I downloaded the WinCoot 0.9 beta2 folder to my C:\ directory as was
> done using the WinCoot 0.8.9.3 installer. Since there isn't an installer
> for this version, I don't have the shortcuts automatically created, but I
> found the wincoot64.bat file. Is this the correct way to install WinCoot
> 0.9?
> >
> >Yes and no. WinCoot 0.9 beta (2) is not an installer but just a zip
> >archive, so it will just unpack all (WinCoot) files. You run it by
> >running the wincoot64.bat file (or a link to it - or edit the old links
> >to point to this new bat file).
> >
> >> Now when I try real space refinement I get the error "Warning:
> Refinement setup failure. Failed to find restraints for: ALA"; this happens
> for all residues. Any help is appreciated.
> >
> >This can be expected especially if you dont have CCP4 installed. The
> >current archive (!) ships without the dictionary so you will need to get
> >this form elsewhere (old Coot, Phenix, CCP4). Maybe I should add some
> >more instructions on this and/or add the dictionary... Maybe for 0.9
> >(still likely to be without an installer though). Too many covid-19
> >issues to deal with first though...
> >
> >HTH!?
> >
> >Stay safe,
> >
> >B
> >
> >--
> >***
> >
> >Dr. Bernhard Lohkamp | Associate Professor/Lektor/Docent
> >
> >Div. Molecular Structural Biology/Biomedicum D9
> >Dept. of Medical Biochemistry and Biophysics (MBB) |
> >Karolinska Institutet
> >SE-171 77 Stockholm
> >Sweden
> >+46 8 52487055
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> >
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Re: [COOT] WinCoot 0.9 beta2 - refinement setup failure

[Aleksandr Sverzhinsky]

Thank you, that confirms that I'm using it as intended. Pardon the naive 
question, but how do I get the dictionary from the old coot or from phenix? 

Aleksandr

On Thu, 25 Jun 2020 20:51:21 +0200, Bernhard Lohkamp  
wrote:

>Hello,
>
>On 25/06/2020 18:05, Aleksandr Sverzhinsky wrote:
>> Hello,
>>
>> I downloaded the WinCoot 0.9 beta2 folder to my C:\ directory as was done 
>> using the WinCoot 0.8.9.3 installer. Since there isn't an installer for this 
>> version, I don't have the shortcuts automatically created, but I found the 
>> wincoot64.bat file. Is this the correct way to install WinCoot 0.9?
>
>Yes and no. WinCoot 0.9 beta (2) is not an installer but just a zip
>archive, so it will just unpack all (WinCoot) files. You run it by
>running the wincoot64.bat file (or a link to it - or edit the old links
>to point to this new bat file).
>
>> Now when I try real space refinement I get the error "Warning: Refinement 
>> setup failure. Failed to find restraints for: ALA"; this happens for all 
>> residues. Any help is appreciated.
>
>This can be expected especially if you dont have CCP4 installed. The
>current archive (!) ships without the dictionary so you will need to get
>this form elsewhere (old Coot, Phenix, CCP4). Maybe I should add some
>more instructions on this and/or add the dictionary... Maybe for 0.9
>(still likely to be without an installer though). Too many covid-19
>issues to deal with first though...
>
>HTH!?
>
>Stay safe,
>
>B
>
>--
>***
>
>Dr. Bernhard Lohkamp | Associate Professor/Lektor/Docent
>
>Div. Molecular Structural Biology/Biomedicum D9
>Dept. of Medical Biochemistry and Biophysics (MBB) |
>Karolinska Institutet
>SE-171 77 Stockholm
>Sweden
>+46 8 52487055
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>
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Re: [COOT] WinCoot 0.9 beta2 - refinement setup failure

[Bernhard Lohkamp]

Hello,

On 25/06/2020 18:05, Aleksandr Sverzhinsky wrote:

Hello,

I downloaded the WinCoot 0.9 beta2 folder to my C:\ directory as was done using 
the WinCoot 0.8.9.3 installer. Since there isn't an installer for this version, 
I don't have the shortcuts automatically created, but I found the wincoot64.bat 
file. Is this the correct way to install WinCoot 0.9?


Yes and no. WinCoot 0.9 beta (2) is not an installer but just a zip
archive, so it will just unpack all (WinCoot) files. You run it by
running the wincoot64.bat file (or a link to it - or edit the old links
to point to this new bat file).


Now when I try real space refinement I get the error "Warning: Refinement setup 
failure. Failed to find restraints for: ALA"; this happens for all residues. Any 
help is appreciated.


This can be expected especially if you dont have CCP4 installed. The
current archive (!) ships without the dictionary so you will need to get
this form elsewhere (old Coot, Phenix, CCP4). Maybe I should add some
more instructions on this and/or add the dictionary... Maybe for 0.9
(still likely to be without an installer though). Too many covid-19
issues to deal with first though...

HTH!?

Stay safe,

B

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Div. Molecular Structural Biology/Biomedicum D9
Dept. of Medical Biochemistry and Biophysics (MBB) |
Karolinska Institutet
SE-171 77 Stockholm
Sweden
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Re: [COOT] Wincoot 0.9

[John Berrisford]

Would now be a good time to suggest that mmCIF file are retrieved instead of 
PDB files. 
PDB files are not available for an increasing amount of PDB entries, whereas 
mmCIF files are available for every PDB entry.

The fetch link can simply be changed to:
https://www.ebi.ac.uk/pdbe-srv/view/files/6fak.cif

Thanks

John

-Original Message-
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 On Behalf Of Bernhard Lohkamp
Sent: 25 April 2020 12:32
To: COOT@JISCMAIL.AC.UK
Subject: Re: Wincoot 0.9

There are quite a few bugs in the current 0.9 beta release. I am in the process 
of updating it. I will post some more instructions on how to "install" and run 
it then too.

Sorry about the delay - blame the corona virus... and MS... and Paul ;-)

B

On 25/04/2020 01:56, Daniel Asarnow wrote:
> My apologies for the confusion!
>
> It was posted by Bernhard /Lohkamp/ 12 days ago:
> https://github.com/bernhardcl/coot/releases
>  hub.com%2Fbernhardcl%2Fcoot%2Freleases=02%7C01%7CBernhard.Lohkamp
> %40KI.SE%7Cb227cc1373714a6d030008d7e8ab2f8a%7Cbff7eef1cf4b4f32be3da1dd
> a043c05d%7C0%7C0%7C637233694250652773=bBZKCv6781ssG5AvigFExg0kzm
> yzTWKwoKDJxF0oA0s%3D=0>
>
> Best,
> -da
>
>
> On Fri, Apr 24, 2020 at 4:49 PM Bernhard Rupp 
> mailto:hofkristall...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> If you could reveal where you got wincoot 0.9.x from, one could
> perhaps assist…
>
> See no message to this effect maybe got lost…
>
> __ __
>
> Cheers, BR
>
> __ __
>
> *From:* Mailing list for users of COOT Crystallographic Software
> mailto:COOT@JISCMAIL.AC.UK>> *On Behalf Of
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> *Sent:* Friday, April 24, 2020 14:48
> *To:* COOT@JISCMAIL.AC.UK 
> *Subject:* Wincoot 0.9
>
> __ __
>
> Hi all,
>
> Bernhard kindly posted a Wincoot build based on 0.9 recently. I was
> wondering if anyone was using it, and what is the correct way to use
> the package (with just /bin, /include, /lib provided).
>
> __ __
>
> Thanks & best,
>
> -da
>
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Re: [COOT] Wincoot 0.9

[Bernhard Lohkamp]

There are quite a few bugs in the current 0.9 beta release. I am in the
process of updating it. I will post some more instructions on how to
"install" and run it then too.

Sorry about the delay - blame the corona virus... and MS... and Paul ;-)

B

On 25/04/2020 01:56, Daniel Asarnow wrote:

My apologies for the confusion!

It was posted by Bernhard /Lohkamp/ 12 days ago:
https://github.com/bernhardcl/coot/releases


Best,
-da


On Fri, Apr 24, 2020 at 4:49 PM Bernhard Rupp mailto:hofkristall...@gmail.com>> wrote:

If you could reveal where you got wincoot 0.9.x from, one could
perhaps assist…

See no message to this effect maybe got lost…

__ __

Cheers, BR

__ __

*From:* Mailing list for users of COOT Crystallographic Software
mailto:COOT@JISCMAIL.AC.UK>> *On Behalf Of
*Daniel Asarnow
*Sent:* Friday, April 24, 2020 14:48
*To:* COOT@JISCMAIL.AC.UK 
*Subject:* Wincoot 0.9

__ __

Hi all,

Bernhard kindly posted a Wincoot build based on 0.9 recently. I was
wondering if anyone was using it, and what is the correct way to use
the package (with just /bin, /include, /lib provided).

__ __

Thanks & best,

-da

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Re: [COOT] Wincoot 0.9

[Daniel Asarnow]

I'm getting an ImportError loading the "site" module, which aborts the
program. It must be my environment, but simply clearing env variables
didn't help. Do you have a system python installed?

-da

On Fri, Apr 24, 2020 at 9:39 PM Bernhard Rupp 
wrote:

> Not sure what you are asking for – in principle it works, just unzip the
> file in a directory, and execute the batch file in the /bin directory.
>
>
>
> I was able to load local coordinates and maps.
>
>
>
> Fetch from PDB failed, but the link it has is correct
>
>
>
> DEBUG:: extracted accession code handle mode n 1
>
> BL WARNING:: retrieve of url
> https://www.ebi.ac.uk/pdbe-srv/view/files/6fak.ent failed
>
> handle_read_draw_molecule_with_recentre ("coot-download/6fak.pdb.ent", 1)
>
> WARNING:: Error reading coot-download/6fak.pdb.ent
>
>
>
> Is that your problem? I haven’t gone through the rest yet, obviously….
>
>
>
> Cheers, BR
>
> *From:* Daniel Asarnow 
> *Sent:* Friday, April 24, 2020 18:59
> *To:* b...@hofkristallamt.org
> *Cc:* COOT@jiscmail.ac.uk
> *Subject:* Re: Wincoot 0.9
>
>
>
> If you get it to run, please let us know how!
>
>
>
> Good luck,
>
> -da
>
>
>
> On Fri, Apr 24, 2020 at 5:31 PM Bernhard Rupp 
> wrote:
>
> Yes I found the beta release now thx!
>
>
>
> *From:* Mailing list for users of COOT Crystallographic Software <
> COOT@JISCMAIL.AC.UK> *On Behalf Of *Daniel Asarnow
> *Sent:* Friday, April 24, 2020 16:57
> *To:* COOT@JISCMAIL.AC.UK
> *Subject:* Re: Wincoot 0.9
>
>
>
> My apologies for the confusion!
>
>
>
> It was posted by Bernhard *Lohkamp* 12 days ago:
> https://github.com/bernhardcl/coot/releases
>
>
>
> Best,
>
> -da
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Apr 24, 2020 at 4:49 PM Bernhard Rupp 
> wrote:
>
> If you could reveal where you got wincoot 0.9.x from, one could perhaps
> assist…
>
> See no message to this effect maybe got lost…
>
>
>
> Cheers, BR
>
>
>
> *From:* Mailing list for users of COOT Crystallographic Software <
> COOT@JISCMAIL.AC.UK> *On Behalf Of *Daniel Asarnow
> *Sent:* Friday, April 24, 2020 14:48
> *To:* COOT@JISCMAIL.AC.UK
> *Subject:* Wincoot 0.9
>
>
>
> Hi all,
>
> Bernhard kindly posted a Wincoot build based on 0.9 recently. I was
> wondering if anyone was using it, and what is the correct way to use the
> package (with just /bin, /include, /lib provided).
>
>
>
> Thanks & best,
>
> -da
>
>
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Re: [COOT] Wincoot 0.9

[Bernhard Rupp]

Not sure what you are asking for – in principle it works, just unzip the file 
in a directory, and execute the batch file in the /bin directory.

 

I was able to load local coordinates and maps.

 

Fetch from PDB failed, but the link it has is correct 

 

DEBUG:: extracted accession code handle mode n 1

BL WARNING:: retrieve of url https://www.ebi.ac.uk/pdbe-srv/view/files/6fak.ent 
failed

handle_read_draw_molecule_with_recentre ("coot-download/6fak.pdb.ent", 1)

WARNING:: Error reading coot-download/6fak.pdb.ent

 

Is that your problem? I haven’t gone through the rest yet, obviously….

 

Cheers, BR

From: Daniel Asarnow  
Sent: Friday, April 24, 2020 18:59
To: b...@hofkristallamt.org
Cc: COOT@jiscmail.ac.uk
Subject: Re: Wincoot 0.9

 

If you get it to run, please let us know how!

 

Good luck,

-da

 

On Fri, Apr 24, 2020 at 5:31 PM Bernhard Rupp mailto:hofkristall...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Yes I found the beta release now thx!

 

From: Mailing list for users of COOT Crystallographic Software 
mailto:COOT@JISCMAIL.AC.UK> > On Behalf Of Daniel Asarnow
Sent: Friday, April 24, 2020 16:57
To: COOT@JISCMAIL.AC.UK  
Subject: Re: Wincoot 0.9

 

My apologies for the confusion!

 

It was posted by Bernhard Lohkamp 12 days ago: 
https://github.com/bernhardcl/coot/releases

 

Best,

-da

 

 

On Fri, Apr 24, 2020 at 4:49 PM Bernhard Rupp mailto:hofkristall...@gmail.com> > wrote:

If you could reveal where you got wincoot 0.9.x from, one could perhaps assist…

See no message to this effect maybe got lost…

 

Cheers, BR

 

From: Mailing list for users of COOT Crystallographic Software 
mailto:COOT@JISCMAIL.AC.UK> > On Behalf Of Daniel Asarnow
Sent: Friday, April 24, 2020 14:48
To: COOT@JISCMAIL.AC.UK  
Subject: Wincoot 0.9

 

Hi all,

Bernhard kindly posted a Wincoot build based on 0.9 recently. I was wondering 
if anyone was using it, and what is the correct way to use the package (with 
just /bin, /include, /lib provided).

 

Thanks & best,

-da

 

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Re: [COOT] Wincoot 0.9

[Daniel Asarnow]

If you get it to run, please let us know how!

Good luck,
-da

On Fri, Apr 24, 2020 at 5:31 PM Bernhard Rupp 
wrote:

> Yes I found the beta release now thx!
>
>
>
> *From:* Mailing list for users of COOT Crystallographic Software <
> COOT@JISCMAIL.AC.UK> *On Behalf Of *Daniel Asarnow
> *Sent:* Friday, April 24, 2020 16:57
> *To:* COOT@JISCMAIL.AC.UK
> *Subject:* Re: Wincoot 0.9
>
>
>
> My apologies for the confusion!
>
>
>
> It was posted by Bernhard *Lohkamp* 12 days ago:
> https://github.com/bernhardcl/coot/releases
>
>
>
> Best,
>
> -da
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Apr 24, 2020 at 4:49 PM Bernhard Rupp 
> wrote:
>
> If you could reveal where you got wincoot 0.9.x from, one could perhaps
> assist…
>
> See no message to this effect maybe got lost…
>
>
>
> Cheers, BR
>
>
>
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> *To:* COOT@JISCMAIL.AC.UK
> *Subject:* Wincoot 0.9
>
>
>
> Hi all,
>
> Bernhard kindly posted a Wincoot build based on 0.9 recently. I was
> wondering if anyone was using it, and what is the correct way to use the
> package (with just /bin, /include, /lib provided).
>
>
>
> Thanks & best,
>
> -da
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Re: [COOT] Wincoot 0.9

[Bernhard Rupp]

Yes I found the beta release now thx!

 

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 On Behalf Of Daniel Asarnow
Sent: Friday, April 24, 2020 16:57
To: COOT@JISCMAIL.AC.UK
Subject: Re: Wincoot 0.9

 

My apologies for the confusion!

 

It was posted by Bernhard Lohkamp 12 days ago: 
https://github.com/bernhardcl/coot/releases

 

Best,

-da

 

 

On Fri, Apr 24, 2020 at 4:49 PM Bernhard Rupp mailto:hofkristall...@gmail.com> > wrote:

If you could reveal where you got wincoot 0.9.x from, one could perhaps assist…

See no message to this effect maybe got lost…

 

Cheers, BR

 

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Subject: Wincoot 0.9

 

Hi all,

Bernhard kindly posted a Wincoot build based on 0.9 recently. I was wondering 
if anyone was using it, and what is the correct way to use the package (with 
just /bin, /include, /lib provided).

 

Thanks & best,

-da

 

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Re: [COOT] Wincoot 0.9

[Daniel Asarnow]

My apologies for the confusion!

It was posted by Bernhard *Lohkamp* 12 days ago:
https://github.com/bernhardcl/coot/releases

Best,
-da


On Fri, Apr 24, 2020 at 4:49 PM Bernhard Rupp 
wrote:

> If you could reveal where you got wincoot 0.9.x from, one could perhaps
> assist…
>
> See no message to this effect maybe got lost…
>
>
>
> Cheers, BR
>
>
>
> *From:* Mailing list for users of COOT Crystallographic Software <
> COOT@JISCMAIL.AC.UK> *On Behalf Of *Daniel Asarnow
> *Sent:* Friday, April 24, 2020 14:48
> *To:* COOT@JISCMAIL.AC.UK
> *Subject:* Wincoot 0.9
>
>
>
> Hi all,
>
> Bernhard kindly posted a Wincoot build based on 0.9 recently. I was
> wondering if anyone was using it, and what is the correct way to use the
> package (with just /bin, /include, /lib provided).
>
>
>
> Thanks & best,
>
> -da
>
>
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