[coreboot] Re: AMD AGESA maintenance and/or deprecation

2019-10-16 Thread awokd via coreboot
Martin Roth via coreboot: > - The ONLY platform that supports AGESA f12h is torpedo, and it's > never been tested, so I'd like to suggest again that it get dropped. I am seeing some unique Coverity issues in f12h as well. Is there an established procedure for dropping platforms, or is it as

[coreboot] Re: AMD AGESA maintenance and/or deprecation

2019-09-21 Thread Kyösti Mälkki
On Sat, Sep 21, 2019 at 5:18 AM Matt B wrote: >> >> There is essentially no interest for new board ports on AGESA/binaryPI, >> these platforms have mostly survived in the tree due to commercial support >> to maintain them. > > This seems to be untrue when boards like the Asus AM1I-A were ported

[coreboot] Re: AMD AGESA maintenance and/or deprecation

2019-09-20 Thread Matt B
> > There is essentially no interest for new board ports on AGESA/binaryPI, > these platforms have mostly survived in the tree due to commercial support > to maintain them. > This seems to be untrue when boards like the Asus AM1I-A were ported as recently as last year. [1] It's a AMD family 16h

[coreboot] Re: AMD AGESA maintenance and/or deprecation

2019-09-20 Thread Kyösti Mälkki
On Thu, Sep 19, 2019 at 11:12 AM Nico Huber wrote: > > On 12.09.19 18:42, Patrick Georgi wrote: > > On Thu, Sep 12, 2019 at 07:20:49PM +0300, Kyösti Mälkki wrote: > >> Would "some people" or these "advocates" be willing to elaborate? > > I CC'd Nico and Martin because I seem to remember that we

[coreboot] Re: AMD AGESA maintenance and/or deprecation

2019-09-19 Thread Nico Huber
On 12.09.19 18:42, Patrick Georgi wrote: > On Thu, Sep 12, 2019 at 07:20:49PM +0300, Kyösti Mälkki wrote: >> Would "some people" or these "advocates" be willing to elaborate? > I CC'd Nico and Martin because I seem to remember that we talked > about AGESA (and its quality and/or life cycle). Nico,

[coreboot] Re: AMD AGESA maintenance and/or deprecation

2019-09-18 Thread Kyösti Mälkki
On Thu, Sep 19, 2019 at 3:20 AM Matt B wrote: > > > Kyösti Mälkki said: >> >> AFAICS, that platform codebase even suffers from cache coherency issues >> while executing from cache-as-ram; there has been indications that increased >> spinlock usage in romstage causes boot failures and/or reset

[coreboot] Re: AMD AGESA maintenance and/or deprecation

2019-09-18 Thread Matt B
Kyösti Mälkki said: > AFAICS, that platform codebase even suffers from cache coherency issues > while executing from cache-as-ram; there has been indications that > increased spinlock usage in romstage causes boot failures and/or reset > loops. > Where do you see this? Has it been reported?

[coreboot] Re: AMD AGESA maintenance and/or deprecation

2019-09-18 Thread Kyösti Mälkki
On Thu, Sep 19, 2019 at 1:05 AM Martin Roth wrote: > > My proposal is to drop platforms that aren't being tested, aren't > being maintained, or are causing serious problems with general > coreboot development. > > For example > - ASUS KGPE-d16 is still being used and tested, so I wouldn't suggest

[coreboot] Re: AMD AGESA maintenance and/or deprecation

2019-09-18 Thread Martin Roth via coreboot
My proposal is to drop platforms that aren't being tested, aren't being maintained, or are causing serious problems with general coreboot development. For example - ASUS KGPE-d16 is still being used and tested, so I wouldn't suggest dropping that code, even though it apparently doesn't support

[coreboot] Re: AMD AGESA maintenance and/or deprecation

2019-09-15 Thread Peter Stuge
awokd via coreboot wrote: > Submitted a request to Coverity to be added as contributor. Thank you very much! That's great. //Peter ___ coreboot mailing list -- coreboot@coreboot.org To unsubscribe send an email to coreboot-le...@coreboot.org

[coreboot] Re: AMD AGESA maintenance and/or deprecation

2019-09-14 Thread awokd via coreboot
Patrick Georgi via coreboot: > > [snip well-written description of contributor/maintainer duties] Thank you for that. Wonder if it should be added to the project documentation somewhere- I'd seen bits and pieces of it before on this list, but it is a great overview. > Plus, I mentioned it

[coreboot] Re: AMD AGESA maintenance and/or deprecation

2019-09-13 Thread Patrick Georgi via coreboot
On Thu, Sep 12, 2019 at 04:46:00PM +, awokd via coreboot wrote: > > Drivers needs support to not get in the way of later development, > > and AGESA is sorely lacking in that department. If you see value > > in that code, please step up now, not only when we're looking into > > removing that

[coreboot] Re: AMD AGESA maintenance and/or deprecation

2019-09-13 Thread awokd via coreboot
Jacob Garber: > The Coverity issue tracker has several IDE-like features, such as a usage > finder and go-to definitions. This was adequate for most of my needs, and > anything else I tracked down using vim and judicious use of grep. There are > probably more efficient ways to do this (eg.

[coreboot] Re: AMD AGESA maintenance and/or deprecation

2019-09-12 Thread Jacob Garber
On Thu, Sep 12, 2019 at 04:46:00PM +, awokd via coreboot wrote: > Patrick Georgi via coreboot: > > Hi everybody, > > > > coreboot is shipping AMD's open sourced AGESA for a few generations > > as part of its tree. > > > > Some people advocate dropping the code due to its quality and lack > >

[coreboot] Re: AMD AGESA maintenance and/or deprecation

2019-09-12 Thread ron minnich
excellent points matt "There is no working bad source so bad that a binary blob is better" "working bad source should never be replaced by a blob, but only by improved working bad source" "we must never remove working bad source that is in use if the only replacement is a blob" On Thu, Sep

[coreboot] Re: AMD AGESA maintenance and/or deprecation

2019-09-12 Thread Matt B
Greetings all, Patrick gregori said: > Mostly chatter on IRC, to be honest. Part of the intent of this mail was > to surface this more officially. > It would be helpful to carry over more details when porting discussions from IRC. It is always good to be specific how something is broken, not

[coreboot] Re: AMD AGESA maintenance and/or deprecation

2019-09-12 Thread ron minnich
Interesting discussion! It got me to wondering, having spent a lot of time in the V1, V2, and V3 trees the last few months. Is this statement true? "There is no source so bad that a binary blob is better" If we take that to be true, then what about this: "bad source should never be replaced by a

[coreboot] Re: AMD AGESA maintenance and/or deprecation

2019-09-12 Thread awokd via coreboot
Patrick Georgi via coreboot: > Hi everybody, > > coreboot is shipping AMD's open sourced AGESA for a few generations > as part of its tree. > > Some people advocate dropping the code due to its quality and lack > of maintenance while others are happy with using the code. > > So: to help keep

[coreboot] Re: AMD AGESA maintenance and/or deprecation

2019-09-12 Thread Patrick Georgi via coreboot
On Thu, Sep 12, 2019 at 07:20:49PM +0300, Kyösti Mälkki wrote: > Would "some people" or these "advocates" be willing to elaborate? I CC'd Nico and Martin because I seem to remember that we talked about AGESA (and its quality and/or life cycle). Nico, for example, seems to advocate scrapping AGESA

[coreboot] Re: AMD AGESA maintenance and/or deprecation

2019-09-12 Thread Kyösti Mälkki
On Thu, Sep 12, 2019 at 5:43 PM Patrick Georgi via coreboot wrote: > > Hi everybody, > > coreboot is shipping AMD's open sourced AGESA for a few generations > as part of its tree. > > Some people advocate dropping the code due to its quality and lack > of maintenance while others are happy with