[CoTyroneMailingList] McQuade

[Rob Doragh via CoTyroneList]

Hi JoAnn,

Irish surnames altered over time with Mac being spelled as M' or Mc or dropped 
altogether, like with the actors Dennis and Randy QUAID. I have over 40 
possible spellings of my name, for example. Try searching 
www.failteromhat.com but put QUADE then try QUAID 
in the search box and you will get dozens of hits for Counties Monaghan and 
Tyrone, going back to the Hearth Money Lists of the 1660s and the 1796 Flax 
List.

MacQuaid, -Quade (Mac Uid son of Wat) A well-known name in Co. Monaghan and 
adjacent areas. Without the prefix this name is found in Co. Limerick. Edward 
MacLysaght "The Surnames of Ireland"

Rob Doragh

Liverpool UK

 joAnn 
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Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] CoTyroneIreland.com - New Content - George Fulton, Newtownstewart, Co. Tyrone, Army Deserter, 1780

[Ron McCoy via CoTyroneList]

Thanks Gordon. Off line another person who knows quite a bit about the 
British regimental service mentioned to me that the British army was 
fastidious about keeping track of the soldiers they

executed for desertion. They were this person said less likely to record 
a regular dissection. He felt if the soldier had been executed it would 
be clearly recorded in the records of the regiment almost certainly and 
would be a clue to knowing the fate of the possible family member.

Cheers

Ron McCoy

On 2019-12-01 10:32 p.m., Gordon Wilkinson via CoTyroneList wrote:
>
> Yes Ron, during the Irish wars of the mid 18thC there were many 
> deserters who joined the other side! It was a 2-way exchange too. 
> Depended on food, wages and the reliability of being fed, clothed and 
> housed than a particular loyalty.
>
> Gordon
>
> On 1/12/2019 8:51 pm, Ron McCoy via CoTyroneList wrote:
>>
>> Hi Bruce
>>
>> I have done a fair amount of reading on regiments of the British army 
>> and particular the 100th reg of Foot. I would not assume that your 
>> ancestor was killed for desertion. It appears that desertion was a 
>> very common problem in the army with extremely high percentages of 
>> soldiers walking away from their duties. Depending on the situation 
>> and circumstances the sentences where quite mixed and seldom 
>> involving the death penalty. Often corporal punishment was the rule 
>> of law. I suspect if they illuminated every soldier who deserted for 
>> various reasons the British army would have been very much smaller.
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> Ron McCoy
>>
>>
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[CoTyroneMailingList] Thank You to Len and Jim

[Jani Carless via CoTyroneList]

Many thanks for all your efforts!  The time and effort by you two dedicated 
souls is enormous and deeply appreciated.  Personally, I have many small 
successes from CTI, too many to recount.  While there was no dramatic crash of 
a brick wall, the slow chipping also builds a larger picture.  Thanks again!  
Oh, and welcome to K-W,  Jim :-)

Jani Carless


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Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Re Campbell research - Message for Donna Campbell

[Donna Campbell via CoTyroneList]

Thank you Elwyn for your time. I figured I might be at a dead end here.
Donna

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> On Dec 2, 2019, at 4:26 AM, elwyn soutter via CoTyroneList 
>  wrote:
> 
> Donna,
> 
> Your family may not be easy to trace. Both Mary & Elizabeth were almost 
> certainly born before the start of statutory birth registration (1864) and so 
> you won’t get birth certificates for them. You need to rely on church records 
> for baptisms before 1864. Not all those records have survived and of the ones 
> that do exist, not all are on-line. So you may have to go to PRONI and search 
> there (or get someone else to do that for you if you can’t).
>  
> Tradition was to marry in the bride’s church (after which she’d attend her 
> husband’s). However in this case one girl married in the Presbyterian church 
> and the other in the Church of Ireland, so we don’t even have a clear steer 
> on what denomination they were.
>  
> The only hint I can give you is that both women named their first daughters 
> Maggie. Tradition was to name the first daughter after the mother’s mother. 
> So that hints that John Burrows wife was Maggie/Margaret. Not much to go on.
>  
> I see from the marriage certificates that in 1874 John was described as a 
> caretaker and in 1888 as a labourer.  Labourers moved around a lot, to follow 
> the available work, and can be difficult to trace. I looked in Griffiths 
> Valuation for Tyrone in 1860. There are 3 John Burrows listed but all were 
> farmers, so not your family.
>  
> Probably all you can do is get someone to go through all the Church of 
> Ireland and Presbyterian records for Tyrone in PRONI, to see if they can spot 
> these two baptisms. There’s 43 parishes, so I’d say there will be about 100 
> churches. Not all will have records for the period you need (some Church of 
> Ireland records were destroyed in the 1922 fire) but it’s still quite a lot 
> of records to go through.
> 
> 
> Elwyn
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[CoTyroneMailingList] Re Campbell research - Message for Donna Campbell

[elwyn soutter via CoTyroneList]

Donna,

Your family may not be easy to trace. Both Mary & Elizabeth were almost
certainly born before the start of statutory birth registration (1864) and
so you won’t get birth certificates for them. You need to rely on church
records for baptisms before 1864. Not all those records have survived and
of the ones that do exist, not all are on-line. So you may have to go to
PRONI and search there (or get someone else to do that for you if you
can’t).



Tradition was to marry in the bride’s church (after which she’d attend her
husband’s). However in this case one girl married in the Presbyterian
church and the other in the Church of Ireland, so we don’t even have a
clear steer on what denomination they were.



The only hint I can give you is that both women named their first daughters
Maggie. Tradition was to name the first daughter after the mother’s mother.
So that hints that John Burrows wife was Maggie/Margaret. Not much to go on.



I see from the marriage certificates that in 1874 John was described as a
caretaker and in 1888 as a labourer.  Labourers moved around a lot, to
follow the available work, and can be difficult to trace. I looked in
Griffiths Valuation for Tyrone in 1860. There are 3 John Burrows listed but
all were farmers, so not your family.



Probably all you can do is get someone to go through all the Church of
Ireland and Presbyterian records for Tyrone in PRONI, to see if they can
spot these two baptisms. There’s 43 parishes, so I’d say there will be
about 100 churches. Not all will have records for the period you need (some
Church of Ireland records were destroyed in the 1922 fire) but it’s still
quite a lot of records to go through.



Elwyn
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