Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Morrison Family Name in Ulster 1610 - 1633

[Rick Smoll via CoTyroneList]

I just found an article at JSTOR entitled Primogeniture and Ultimogeniture in 
Rural Ireland. It seems there was some of both.Here's a brief excerpt:
"… there was no fixed rule or norm: the father simply chose among his sons the 
one most likely to become a successful farmer and other members of the family 
then acquiesced in the matter.
However, there was also tradition that it would go to the eldest son.
In the case of my Morrisons in Loughterush, I must assume that it was most 
typically the former, since the family managed to hang on to the leasehold for 
so many generations.


  Rick Smoll
 

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Smoll 
Cc: Peter McKittrick 
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Wasn't the lease passed by the rules of primogeniture to the first born son?

On 6/27/2020 3:33 PM, Peter McKittrick via CoTyroneList wrote:
> Rick, good topic. The only thing I’ve noticed is that the lessee is sometimes 
> described as “Representatives of.“ May be to avoid having to draw up a 
> new lease until it was absolutely necessary say when the lessor changed.
>
> Peter
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On 28 Jun 2020, at 6:20 am, Rick Smoll via CoTyroneList 
>>  wrote:
>>
>> Hello all …I've been having difficulty finding information concerning how 
>> tenancy was passed along from generation to generation on the plantation 
>> farms. What was the legal framework for inheriting the lease on the farm 
>> that the family had been occupying … in our case for at least 150 years 
>> prior to the land acts at the end of the 19th century? Hoping somebody might 
>> be able to steer me somewhere on this issue.
>> Also, any insight on how a decision was made within a family regarding which 
>> son (or daughter) would assume responsibility for the lease?
>> Thanks, as always …
>>  Rick Smoll
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: elwyn soutter 
>> To: James McKane 
>> Cc: Rick Smoll ; CoTyroneIreland.com Mailing List 
>> 
>> Sent: Thu, Jun 11, 2020 8:21 pm
>> Subject: Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Morrison Family Name in Ulster 1610 - 1633
>>
>> Rick, Ballyboe is from the Irish words “Baile bo”meaning “cow land.” 
>> According to Philip Robinson - “The Plantation of Ulster”,a ballyboe was “A 
>> small Irish land division which, before the plantation,represented the 
>> territory within which several families worked the land.Although the real 
>> area of the ballyboe varied greatly with the quality of theland, it was 
>> assumed by the plantation surveyors to contain 60 acres ofprofitable land in 
>> most areas of north-west Ulster. Many modern townlands haveevolved from 
>> these ballyboes.” Not all land in Ireland was requisitionedby the Crown at 
>> the time of the Plantation. At least a third remained in thehands of local 
>> Irish landlords, normally provided they agreed to be loyal tothe Crown.  An 
>> obvious example would bethe Maguires who had lands in Fermanagh. Chunks of 
>> land were declared forfeitfollowing the 1641 uprising and reallocated. 
>> Details in the Down survey: 
>> http://downsurvey.tcd.ie/down-survey-maps.phpRobinson spends some time 
>> discussing theorigins of settler names in Tyrone, and to what extent 
>> Scottish undertakers hadScots tenants, and English undertakers had English 
>> tenants. The implicationbeing that they originated in their landlords 
>> respective estates. However therewas evidently a lot of mixing. For example 
>> on p122 he says:  The evidence of Scots settling outsidetheir allocated 
>> baronies of Strabane and Mountjoy is supplemented by a statementof Lord 
>> Audley’s in 1614 when he claimed that his estate of Finagh and Rarone 
>> inOmagh barony had as many Scots as English in it. Although there is 
>> considerable degree ofcontinuity between 1630 and 1666 in the distributional 
>> pattern of Britishsettlement, and indeed in the persistence of English and 
>> Scottish localities,the actual surnames on most estates did change 
>> dramatically. This turnover ofpersonnel cannot be attributed simply to the 
>> ravages of the 1641 rebellion, forcomparable changes can be observed between 
>> 1622 and 1630. A high degree oftenant mobility is a striking characteristic 
>> of plantation settlement, despitethe continuity of settlement patterns.” He 
>> goes on to discuss colonial spread. “In1622 the percentage of Scots on any 
>> Tyrone estate was closely related towhether or not the estate was Scottish 
>> owned, and only marginally related tothe physical distance from Londo

Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Morrison Family Name in Ulster 1610 - 1633

[Peter McKittrick via CoTyroneList]

Rick, good topic. The only thing I’ve noticed is that the lessee is sometimes 
described as “Representatives of.“ May be to avoid having to draw up a new 
lease until it was absolutely necessary say when the lessor changed.

Peter

Sent from my iPhone

> On 28 Jun 2020, at 6:20 am, Rick Smoll via CoTyroneList 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hello all …I've been having difficulty finding information concerning how 
> tenancy was passed along from generation to generation on the plantation 
> farms. What was the legal framework for inheriting the lease on the farm that 
> the family had been occupying … in our case for at least 150 years prior to 
> the land acts at the end of the 19th century? Hoping somebody might be able 
> to steer me somewhere on this issue.
> Also, any insight on how a decision was made within a family regarding which 
> son (or daughter) would assume responsibility for the lease?
> Thanks, as always …
>  Rick Smoll
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: elwyn soutter 
> To: James McKane 
> Cc: Rick Smoll ; CoTyroneIreland.com Mailing List 
> 
> Sent: Thu, Jun 11, 2020 8:21 pm
> Subject: Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Morrison Family Name in Ulster 1610 - 1633
> 
> Rick, Ballyboe is from the Irish words “Baile bo”meaning “cow land.” 
> According to Philip Robinson - “The Plantation of Ulster”,a ballyboe was “A 
> small Irish land division which, before the plantation,represented the 
> territory within which several families worked the land.Although the real 
> area of the ballyboe varied greatly with the quality of theland, it was 
> assumed by the plantation surveyors to contain 60 acres ofprofitable land in 
> most areas of north-west Ulster. Many modern townlands haveevolved from these 
> ballyboes.” Not all land in Ireland was requisitionedby the Crown at the time 
> of the Plantation. At least a third remained in thehands of local Irish 
> landlords, normally provided they agreed to be loyal tothe Crown.  An obvious 
> example would bethe Maguires who had lands in Fermanagh. Chunks of land were 
> declared forfeitfollowing the 1641 uprising and reallocated. Details in the 
> Down survey: http://downsurvey.tcd.ie/down-survey-maps.php Robinson spends 
> some time discussing theorigins of settler names in Tyrone, and to what 
> extent Scottish undertakers hadScots tenants, and English undertakers had 
> English tenants. The implicationbeing that they originated in their landlords 
> respective estates. However therewas evidently a lot of mixing. For example 
> on p122 he says:  The evidence of Scots settling outsidetheir allocated 
> baronies of Strabane and Mountjoy is supplemented by a statementof Lord 
> Audley’s in 1614 when he claimed that his estate of Finagh and Rarone inOmagh 
> barony had as many Scots as English in it. Although there is considerable 
> degree ofcontinuity between 1630 and 1666 in the distributional pattern of 
> Britishsettlement, and indeed in the persistence of English and Scottish 
> localities,the actual surnames on most estates did change dramatically. This 
> turnover ofpersonnel cannot be attributed simply to the ravages of the 1641 
> rebellion, forcomparable changes can be observed between 1622 and 1630. A 
> high degree oftenant mobility is a striking characteristic of plantation 
> settlement, despitethe continuity of settlement patterns.” He goes on to 
> discuss colonial spread. “In1622 the percentage of Scots on any Tyrone estate 
> was closely related towhether or not the estate was Scottish owned, and only 
> marginally related tothe physical distance from Londonderry as the natural 
> entry point for Scottishsettlers. However by 1630 the gap between the 
> statistical significance of thesetwo factors had narrowed, and by 1666 it was 
> the distance from Londonderrywhich was most significant. This supports the 
> model of colonization outlinedabove, whereby the process of direct 
> plantation, with subsequent internalmigration operated simultaneously with 
> that of colonial spread. Furthermore thecontention that colonial spread 
> became relatively more important than directplantation with time is also 
> supported.” (This continues for pages but you willhopefully get the general 
> drift.  Manysettlers in Tyrone and particularly the Scots arrived via 
> Londonderry and movedacross Tyrone. Some stayed put and some moved about. 
> After 40 years colonialspread meant that a significant percentage were no 
> longer in the place wherethey first settled). Loughterush is in the barony of 
> Omagh East.For me, the absence of Morrisons in that part of Tyrone in the 
> Muster Rolls (iec 1630) strongly suggests your ancestors must have there 
> arrived afterthat.  There’s only 1 Morison in Tyronein the Muster Rolls, a 
> Robert Morsion in Strabane baron

Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Morrison Family Name in Ulster 1610 - 1633

[Rick Smoll via CoTyroneList]

Hello all …I've been having difficulty finding information concerning how 
tenancy was passed along from generation to generation on the plantation farms. 
What was the legal framework for inheriting the lease on the farm that the 
family had been occupying … in our case for at least 150 years prior to the 
land acts at the end of the 19th century? Hoping somebody might be able to 
steer me somewhere on this issue.
Also, any insight on how a decision was made within a family regarding which 
son (or daughter) would assume responsibility for the lease?
Thanks, as always …
  Rick Smoll


-Original Message-
From: elwyn soutter 
To: James McKane 
Cc: Rick Smoll ; CoTyroneIreland.com Mailing List 

Sent: Thu, Jun 11, 2020 8:21 pm
Subject: Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Morrison Family Name in Ulster 1610 - 1633

Rick, Ballyboe is from the Irish words “Baile bo”meaning “cow land.” According 
to Philip Robinson - “The Plantation of Ulster”,a ballyboe was “A small Irish 
land division which, before the plantation,represented the territory within 
which several families worked the land.Although the real area of the ballyboe 
varied greatly with the quality of theland, it was assumed by the plantation 
surveyors to contain 60 acres ofprofitable land in most areas of north-west 
Ulster. Many modern townlands haveevolved from these ballyboes.” Not all land 
in Ireland was requisitionedby the Crown at the time of the Plantation. At 
least a third remained in thehands of local Irish landlords, normally provided 
they agreed to be loyal tothe Crown.  An obvious example would bethe Maguires 
who had lands in Fermanagh. Chunks of land were declared forfeitfollowing the 
1641 uprising and reallocated. Details in the Down survey: 
http://downsurvey.tcd.ie/down-survey-maps.php Robinson spends some time 
discussing theorigins of settler names in Tyrone, and to what extent Scottish 
undertakers hadScots tenants, and English undertakers had English tenants. The 
implicationbeing that they originated in their landlords respective estates. 
However therewas evidently a lot of mixing. For example on p122 he says:  The 
evidence of Scots settling outsidetheir allocated baronies of Strabane and 
Mountjoy is supplemented by a statementof Lord Audley’s in 1614 when he claimed 
that his estate of Finagh and Rarone inOmagh barony had as many Scots as 
English in it. Although there is considerable degree ofcontinuity between 1630 
and 1666 in the distributional pattern of Britishsettlement, and indeed in the 
persistence of English and Scottish localities,the actual surnames on most 
estates did change dramatically. This turnover ofpersonnel cannot be attributed 
simply to the ravages of the 1641 rebellion, forcomparable changes can be 
observed between 1622 and 1630. A high degree oftenant mobility is a striking 
characteristic of plantation settlement, despitethe continuity of settlement 
patterns.” He goes on to discuss colonial spread. “In1622 the percentage of 
Scots on any Tyrone estate was closely related towhether or not the estate was 
Scottish owned, and only marginally related tothe physical distance from 
Londonderry as the natural entry point for Scottishsettlers. However by 1630 
the gap between the statistical significance of thesetwo factors had narrowed, 
and by 1666 it was the distance from Londonderrywhich was most significant. 
This supports the model of colonization outlinedabove, whereby the process of 
direct plantation, with subsequent internalmigration operated simultaneously 
with that of colonial spread. Furthermore thecontention that colonial spread 
became relatively more important than directplantation with time is also 
supported.” (This continues for pages but you willhopefully get the general 
drift.  Manysettlers in Tyrone and particularly the Scots arrived via 
Londonderry and movedacross Tyrone. Some stayed put and some moved about. After 
40 years colonialspread meant that a significant percentage were no longer in 
the place wherethey first settled). Loughterush is in the barony of Omagh 
East.For me, the absence of Morrisons in that part of Tyrone in the Muster 
Rolls (iec 1630) strongly suggests your ancestors must have there arrived 
afterthat.  There’s only 1 Morison in Tyronein the Muster Rolls, a Robert 
Morsion in Strabane barony. Perhaps your familywere connected to him and moved 
south to Loughterush. So colonial spread? Your question is whether Audley 
brought theMorisons over? I doubt he brought them over himself because he 
appears to haveacquired those lands from his uncle, Lord Castlehaven who was 
the originalUndertaker. The family were from Petersfield in Hampshire.  Morison 
is not a name particularly common inthat part of England so that would make me 
doubt they were Castlehaven tenantsin England. But I might be wrong.   Elwyn
On Fri, 12 Jun 2020 at 01:21, James McKane  wrote:

A search of the CoTyroneIreland.com Tithe Applotment Index shows this entry

| MORRISON | Edward

Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Morrison Family Name in Ulster 1610 - 1633

[Len Swindley via CoTyroneList]

Wow! Many thanks to Elwyn for his insights and great history lesson responding 
to the query relating to Morrisons in Kilskeery parish within the context of 
the Plantation and the possibility of locating families at  that time. 
Wonderful to read the lengthy references and extracts from a number of 
publications; this must have taken quite some time and consideration. Many 
thanks, Elwyn,

Len Swindley, Melbourne, Australia

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Rick,



Ballyboe is from the Irish words “Baile bo” meaning “cow land.” According
to Philip Robinson - “The Plantation of Ulster”, a ballyboe was “A small
Irish land division which, before the plantation, represented the territory
within which several families worked the land. Although the real area of
the ballyboe varied greatly with the quality of the land, it was assumed by
the plantation surveyors to contain 60 acres of profitable land in most
areas of north-west Ulster. Many modern townlands have evolved from these
ballyboes.”



Not all land in Ireland was requisitioned by the Crown at the time of the
Plantation. At least a third remained in the hands of local Irish
landlords, normally provided they agreed to be loyal to the Crown.  An
obvious example would be the Maguires who had lands in Fermanagh. Chunks of
land were declared forfeit following the 1641 uprising and
reallocated.  Details
in the Down survey:



http://downsurvey.tcd.ie/down-survey-maps.php



Robinson spends some time discussing the origins of settler names in
Tyrone, and to what extent Scottish undertakers had Scots tenants, and
English undertakers had English tenants. The implication being that they
originated in their landlords respective estates. However there was
evidently a lot of mixing. For example on p122 he says:



The evidence of Scots settling outside their allocated baronies of Strabane
and Mountjoy is supplemented by a statement of Lord Audley’s in 1614 when
he claimed that his estate of Finagh and Rarone in Omagh barony had as many
Scots as English in it.



Although there is considerable degree of continuity between 1630 and 1666
in the distributional pattern of British settlement, and indeed in the
persistence of English and Scottish localities, the actual surnames on most
estates did change dramatically. This turnover of personnel cannot be
attributed simply to the ravages of the 1641 rebellion, for comparable
changes can be observed between 1622 and 1630. A high degree of tenant
mobility is a striking characteristic of plantation settlement, despite the
continuity of settlement patterns.”



He goes on to discuss colonial spread. “In 1622 the percentage of Scots on
any Tyrone estate was closely related to whether or not the estate was
Scottish owned, and only marginally related to the physical distance from
Londonderry as the natural entry point for Scottish settlers. However by
1630 the gap between the statistical significance of these two factors had
narrowed, and by 1666 it was the distance from Londonderry which was most
significant. This supports the model of colonization outlined above,
whereby the process of direct plantation, with subsequent internal
migration operated simultaneously with that of colonial spread. Furthermore
the contention that colonial spread became relatively more important than
direct plantation with time is also supported.”



(This continues for pages but you will hopefully get the general drift.  Many
settlers in Tyrone and particularly the Scots arrived via Londonderry and
moved across Tyrone. Some stayed put and some moved about. After 40 years
colonial spread meant that a significant percentage were no longer in the
place where they first settled).



Loughterush is in the barony of Omagh East. For me, the absence of
Morrisons in that part of Tyrone in the Muster Rolls (ie c 1630) strongly
suggests your ancestors must have there arrived after that.  There’s only 1
Morison in Tyrone in the Muster Rolls, a Robert Morsion in Strabane barony.
Perhaps your family were connected to him and moved south to Loughterush.
So colonial spread?



Your question is whether Audley brought the Morisons over? I doubt he
brought them over himself because he appears to have acquired those lands
from his uncle, Lord Castlehaven who was the original Undertaker. The
family were from Petersfield in Hampshire.  Morison is not a name
particularly common in that part of England so that would make me doubt
they were Castlehaven tenants in England. But I might be wrong.







Elwyn

On Fri, 12 Jun 2020 at 01:21, Ja

Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Morrison Family Name in Ulster 1610 - 1633

[elwyn soutter via CoTyroneList]

n his
>> possession.
>> Questions:1. Is there any reason to have confidence that Col. Audley
>> Mervin  would have been the one to have brought the Morrisons over to
>> Loughterush? 2. Were all of the lands of Ulster apportioned out in the time
>> frame around 1610, or did it take a longer period of time (ie, could Mervin
>> have been granted his land after 1630?) He was also listed among those who
>> came to the aid of Londonderry during the siege by James II in 1690, so he
>> was not likely an original grantee in 1610.3.The total acreage for the
>> townlands of Lisnahanna, Loughterush, and Derryvokenan (?) is listed as 65
>> acres … there is obviously a lot more than 65 acres there (even Irish
>> acres) ; the Morrison farm alone was about 40-50 acres … could that be
>> referring to only the amount of acreage under cultivation?
>> Other items of interest: … I now know what a Balliboe is.
>> … Based on the note in the left column of the first page, Audley was
>> apparently among those protestant royalists who were penalized by Cromwell
>> with the settlement act of 1652.
>>
>>   Rick Smoll
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: elwyn soutter 
>> To: CoTyroneIreland.com Mailing List 
>> Cc: rsmoll999 
>> Sent: Thu, May 21, 2020 9:27 pm
>> Subject: Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Morrison Family Name in Ulster 1610 -
>> 1633
>>
>> Rick, The surname, the general location and thefamily denomination all
>> point to them being settlers who probably arrived inIreland in the
>> 1600s. MacLysaght’s surnames of Ireland describesMorrison as  “an English
>> name numerous inUlster.” The location ie Tyrone, is a county heavily
>> settled by Scots  in that period, and the family denomination
>> (Methodist in 1901) alsopoints to them being incomers. (They would almost
>> certainly have been Church ofIreland – ie Anglican- in earlier times, prior
>> to Methodism’s arrival inIreland).  So in effect you have 3pointers to them
>> being of settler origins. The Muster Rolls c 1630 show a number ofMorrisons
>> in Ireland, and one in Tyrone, but none in the Barony of Omagh East(which
>> includes Loughterush) so that points to a post 1630 arrival in
>> theLoughterush area, if not in Ireland. It’s very rare to find any
>> documentationfor the 1600s, unless you were an Undertaker or major land
>> owner, or had landforfeit after the 1641 rebellion.  Theearliest likely
>> records might be in the Registry of Deeds which start around1709. If the
>> family registered a lease or other significant document, thatsometimes
>> gives you a date. Failing that, church records may help. KilskeeryChurch of
>> Ireland records start in 1767 so you might find them there. For somepeople
>> the tithe applotment records in the late 1820s/early 1830s are often
>> theearliest records to be found.   I searched the PRONI e-catalogue but see
>> nomention there of Morrison in Loughterush other than in the tithes in
>> 1826.There were no comprehensive records of when people first acquired
>> land. Formost 17th century settlers, the first 150 years or so of their
>> timein Ireland are lost in the mists of time. Elwyn
>> On Fri, 22 May 2020 at 03:06, rsmoll999 via CoTyroneList <
>> cotyronelist@cotyroneireland.com> wrote:
>>
>> Peter  ... thanks for responding  ... the links you sent are not working
>> for me. I'll do some more hunting for those sites.Sent from my Sprint
>> Samsung Galaxy S9.
>>  Original message From: Peter McKittrick via CoTyroneList
>>  Date: 5/21/20  8:43 PM  (GMT-06:00)
>> To: "CoTyroneIreland.com Mailing List" 
>> Cc: Peter McKittrick  Subject:
>> [CoTyroneMailingList] Morrison Family Name in Ulster 1610 - 1633 A past
>> Genealogical Society of Victoria (Australia) handout indicates that
>> Morrison appears in Scottish names in Tyrone, 1610-1633 based on muster
>> rolls and estate maps.Sources: Brian Orr, Plantation of Ireland
>> and the Ulster Scots published on http://www.irishclans.com/ <
>> http://www.irishclans.com/>  Gwen Rawlings-Barry,
>> The Ulster Plantation (1605-1697) published on
>> http://www.canadasulsterscots.tripod.com/ <
>> http://www.canadasulsterscots.tripod.com/> (website not found).Peter
>> McKittrick> On 22 May 2020, at 10:23 am, Gordon Wilkinson via CoTyroneList <
>> cotyronelist@cotyroneireland.com> wrote:> > Rick, My guess is that they
>> could have been part of the plantation of Ulster in the 17thC. I
>> suspect(based on my surname) that my ancestors may have been part of that
>>

Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Morrison Family Name in Ulster 1610 - 1633

[James McKane via CoTyroneList]

A search of the CoTyroneIreland.com Tithe Applotment Index shows this entry

MORRISON Edward Loughterush Sloy Manor, Kilskerry 1826


Jim McKane
Kitchener, Ontario


On Thu, Jun 11, 2020 at 5:02 PM Rick Smoll via CoTyroneList <
cotyronelist@cotyroneireland.com> wrote:

> I located a copy of the 1654-1656 Civil Survey that covers the townland of
> Loughterush in Kilskeery Parish … this obviously does not list the tenants
> names, only the owner … but there is interesting information there that for
> me begs some questions that perhaps some of you could help me with. I have
> attached the top page with the header that describes the area and names the
> owner, and then the page that lists Laghterish (older spelling or
> misspelling of Loughterush) among the townlands in his possession.
> Questions:1. Is there any reason to have confidence that Col. Audley
> Mervin  would have been the one to have brought the Morrisons over to
> Loughterush? 2. Were all of the lands of Ulster apportioned out in the time
> frame around 1610, or did it take a longer period of time (ie, could Mervin
> have been granted his land after 1630?) He was also listed among those who
> came to the aid of Londonderry during the siege by James II in 1690, so he
> was not likely an original grantee in 1610.3.The total acreage for the
> townlands of Lisnahanna, Loughterush, and Derryvokenan (?) is listed as 65
> acres … there is obviously a lot more than 65 acres there (even Irish
> acres) ; the Morrison farm alone was about 40-50 acres … could that be
> referring to only the amount of acreage under cultivation?
> Other items of interest: … I now know what a Balliboe is.
> … Based on the note in the left column of the first page, Audley was
> apparently among those protestant royalists who were penalized by Cromwell
> with the settlement act of 1652.
>
>   Rick Smoll
>
> -Original Message-
> From: elwyn soutter 
> To: CoTyroneIreland.com Mailing List 
> Cc: rsmoll999 
> Sent: Thu, May 21, 2020 9:27 pm
> Subject: Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Morrison Family Name in Ulster 1610 -
> 1633
>
> Rick, The surname, the general location and thefamily denomination all
> point to them being settlers who probably arrived inIreland in the
> 1600s. MacLysaght’s surnames of Ireland describesMorrison as  “an English
> name numerous inUlster.” The location ie Tyrone, is a county heavily
> settled by Scots  in that period, and the family denomination
> (Methodist in 1901) alsopoints to them being incomers. (They would almost
> certainly have been Church ofIreland – ie Anglican- in earlier times, prior
> to Methodism’s arrival inIreland).  So in effect you have 3pointers to them
> being of settler origins. The Muster Rolls c 1630 show a number ofMorrisons
> in Ireland, and one in Tyrone, but none in the Barony of Omagh East(which
> includes Loughterush) so that points to a post 1630 arrival in
> theLoughterush area, if not in Ireland. It’s very rare to find any
> documentationfor the 1600s, unless you were an Undertaker or major land
> owner, or had landforfeit after the 1641 rebellion.  Theearliest likely
> records might be in the Registry of Deeds which start around1709. If the
> family registered a lease or other significant document, thatsometimes
> gives you a date. Failing that, church records may help. KilskeeryChurch of
> Ireland records start in 1767 so you might find them there. For somepeople
> the tithe applotment records in the late 1820s/early 1830s are often
> theearliest records to be found.   I searched the PRONI e-catalogue but see
> nomention there of Morrison in Loughterush other than in the tithes in
> 1826.There were no comprehensive records of when people first acquired
> land. Formost 17th century settlers, the first 150 years or so of their
> timein Ireland are lost in the mists of time. Elwyn
> On Fri, 22 May 2020 at 03:06, rsmoll999 via CoTyroneList <
> cotyronelist@cotyroneireland.com> wrote:
>
> Peter  ... thanks for responding  ... the links you sent are not working
> for me. I'll do some more hunting for those sites.Sent from my Sprint
> Samsung Galaxy S9.
>  Original message From: Peter McKittrick via CoTyroneList <
> cotyronelist@cotyroneireland.com> Date: 5/21/20  8:43 PM  (GMT-06:00) To:
> "CoTyroneIreland.com Mailing List"  Cc:
> Peter McKittrick  Subject: [CoTyroneMailingList]
> Morrison Family Name in Ulster 1610 - 1633 A past Genealogical Society of
> Victoria (Australia) handout indicates that Morrison appears in Scottish
> names in Tyrone, 1610-1633 based on muster rolls and estate maps.Sources:
>Brian Orr, Plantation of Ireland and the Ulster Scots published
> on http://www.irishclans.com/ <http://www.irishclans.com/>
>   Gwen Raw

Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Morrison Family Name in Ulster 1610 - 1633

[elwyn soutter via CoTyroneList]

Rick,



The surname, the general location and the family denomination all point to
them being settlers who probably arrived in Ireland in the 1600s.



MacLysaght’s surnames of Ireland describes Morrison as  “an English name
numerous in Ulster.” The location ie Tyrone, is a county heavily settled by
Scots & English in that period, and the family denomination (Methodist in
1901) also points to them being incomers. (They would almost certainly have
been Church of Ireland – ie Anglican- in earlier times, prior to
Methodism’s arrival in Ireland).  So in effect you have 3 pointers to them
being of settler origins.



The Muster Rolls c 1630 show a number of Morrisons in Ireland, and one in
Tyrone, but none in the Barony of Omagh East (which includes Loughterush)
so that points to a post 1630 arrival in the Loughterush area, if not in
Ireland.



It’s very rare to find any documentation for the 1600s, unless you were an
Undertaker or major land owner, or had land forfeit after the 1641
rebellion.  The earliest likely records might be in the Registry of Deeds
which start around 1709. If the family registered a lease or other
significant document, that sometimes gives you a date. Failing that, church
records may help. Kilskeery Church of Ireland records start in 1767 so you
might find them there. For some people the tithe applotment records in the
late 1820s/early 1830s are often the earliest records to be found.



I searched the PRONI e-catalogue but see no mention there of Morrison in
Loughterush other than in the tithes in 1826. There were no comprehensive
records of when people first acquired land. For most 17th century settlers,
the first 150 years or so of their time in Ireland are lost in the mists of
time.



Elwyn

On Fri, 22 May 2020 at 03:06, rsmoll999 via CoTyroneList <
cotyronelist@cotyroneireland.com> wrote:

> Peter  ... thanks for responding  ... the links you sent are not working
> for me. I'll do some more hunting for those sites.Sent from my Sprint
> Samsung Galaxy S9.
>  Original message From: Peter McKittrick via CoTyroneList <
> cotyronelist@cotyroneireland.com> Date: 5/21/20  8:43 PM  (GMT-06:00) To:
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> Morrison Family Name in Ulster 1610 - 1633 A past Genealogical Society of
> Victoria (Australia) handout indicates that Morrison appears in Scottish
> names in Tyrone, 1610-1633 based on muster rolls and estate maps.Sources:
>Brian Orr, Plantation of Ireland and the Ulster Scots published
> on www.irishclans.com <http://www.irishclans.com/>
> Gwen Rawlings-Barry, The Ulster Plantation (1605-1697) published on
> www.canadasulsterscots.tripod.com <
> http://www.canadasulsterscots.tripod.com/> (website not found).Peter
> McKittrick> On 22 May 2020, at 10:23 am, Gordon Wilkinson via CoTyroneList <
> cotyronelist@cotyroneireland.com> wrote:> > Rick, My guess is that they
> could have been part of the plantation of Ulster in the 17thC. I
> suspect(based on my surname) that my ancestors may have been part of that
> event too but have not been able to find any records of who arrived from
> where and when. Any help (thanks Len S. for your earlier help) would be
> appreciated. Gordon> > On 22/05/2020 3:14 am, Rick Smoll via CoTyroneList
> wrote:>> My Morrison ancestors occupied a farm in the Loughterush townland
> (Kilskeery Parish) from at least the mid 1700s until 1970 when the last
> Morrison on the farm passed away (he was a bachelor), and the farm was sold
> at public auction. The earliest ancestor I have found records for was
> Edward Morrison, and the earliest reference to Loughterush was with the
> birth of a daughter of his in 1781.>> My question is: Is there a way to
> find out when the Morrisons first came to occupy the farm in Loughterush?>>
> Thank you for any help on this.>> >>   Rick Smoll>>
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Peter  ... thanks for responding  ... the links you sent are not working for 
me. I'll do some more hunting for those sites.Sent from my Sprint Samsung 
Galaxy S9.
 Original message From: Peter McKittrick via CoTyroneList 
 Date: 5/21/20  8:43 PM  (GMT-06:00) To: 
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McKittrick  Subject: [CoTyroneMailingList] Morrison 
Family Name in Ulster 1610 - 1633 A past Genealogical Society of Victoria 
(Australia) handout indicates that Morrison appears in Scottish names in 
Tyrone, 1610-1633 based on muster rolls and estate maps.Sources: 
Brian Orr, Plantation of Ireland and the Ulster Scots published on 
www.irishclans.com <http://www.irishclans.com/>  Gwen 
Rawlings-Barry, The Ulster Plantation (1605-1697) published on 
www.canadasulsterscots.tripod.com <http://www.canadasulsterscots.tripod.com/> 
(website not found).Peter McKittrick> On 22 May 2020, at 10:23 am, Gordon 
Wilkinson via CoTyroneList  wrote:> > Rick, 
My guess is that they could have been part of the plantation of Ulster in the 
17thC. I suspect(based on my surname) that my ancestors may have been part of 
that event too but have not been able to find any records of who arrived from 
where and when. Any help (thanks Len S. for your earlier help) would be 
appreciated. Gordon> > On 22/05/2020 3:14 am, Rick Smoll via CoTyroneList 
wrote:>> My Morrison ancestors occupied a farm in the Loughterush townland 
(Kilskeery Parish) from at least the mid 1700s until 1970 when the last 
Morrison on the farm passed away (he was a bachelor), and the farm was sold at 
public auction. The earliest ancestor I have found records for was Edward 
Morrison, and the earliest reference to Loughterush was with the birth of a 
daughter of his in 1781.>> My question is: Is there a way to find out when the 
Morrisons first came to occupy the farm in Loughterush?>> Thank you for any 
help on this.>> >>   Rick Smoll>> 
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[Peter McKittrick via CoTyroneList]

A past Genealogical Society of Victoria (Australia) handout indicates that 
Morrison appears in Scottish names in Tyrone, 1610-1633 based on muster rolls 
and estate maps.

Sources:Brian Orr, Plantation of Ireland and the Ulster Scots 
published on www.irishclans.com 
Gwen Rawlings-Barry, The Ulster Plantation (1605-1697) 
published on www.canadasulsterscots.tripod.com 
 (website not found).

Peter McKittrick

> On 22 May 2020, at 10:23 am, Gordon Wilkinson via CoTyroneList 
>  wrote:
> 
> Rick, My guess is that they could have been part of the plantation of Ulster 
> in the 17thC. I suspect(based on my surname) that my ancestors may have been 
> part of that event too but have not been able to find any records of who 
> arrived from where and when. Any help (thanks Len S. for your earlier help) 
> would be appreciated. Gordon
> 
> On 22/05/2020 3:14 am, Rick Smoll via CoTyroneList wrote:
>> My Morrison ancestors occupied a farm in the Loughterush townland (Kilskeery 
>> Parish) from at least the mid 1700s until 1970 when the last Morrison on the 
>> farm passed away (he was a bachelor), and the farm was sold at public 
>> auction. The earliest ancestor I have found records for was Edward Morrison, 
>> and the earliest reference to Loughterush was with the birth of a daughter 
>> of his in 1781.
>> My question is: Is there a way to find out when the Morrisons first came to 
>> occupy the farm in Loughterush?
>> Thank you for any help on this.
>> 
>>   Rick Smoll
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