Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Researching John Arthur, b abt 1790 in County Tyrone

[Len Swindley]

Hello Steve,

Firstly, Cappagh Parish Church is not to be found in Belfast, but in Cappagh 
parish which lies between Newtownstewart and Omagh, Co. Tyrone. The registers 
have been copied by the staff of PRONI (Public Record Office of Northern 
Ireland), Belfast; clergy are busy people and have little time to make 
appointments with family researchers, hence the availability of the records in 
a central and safe location in Belfast.

You did not indicate the religious persuasion of your Tyrone-born forebear. 
Knowledge of religious affiliation is essential when researching family in 
Ireland. I guess the Arthurs were either Presbyterians or members of the 
Established (Anglican) Church?

Before responding to your post I referred to my friend William Roulston’s 
Researching Scots-Irish Ancestors: The Essential Guide to Early Modern Ulster 
1600-1800 (Ulster Historical Foundation, Belfast). William is research director 
of the Ulster Historical Foundation, an international lecturer and serves on 
many boards and committees including the Presbyterian Historical Society, 
Belfast. There is no one better and more knowledgeable when it comes to 
genealogical research in the North of Ireland. This seminal work quotes 
surviving pre 1800 records across the province of Ulster by parish:

SURVIVING PRE1800 RECORDS FOR CAPPAGH PARISH, CO. TYRONE are:
Estate Papers (rentals and leases): Derry (bishopric of) Estate (rentals from 
the seventeenth century archived in PRONI, Belfast); Huntingdon Estate (rent 
rolls commencing 1633 and archived in the Huntingdon Library, San Marino, 
California), Blessington Estate has been transcribed – see my file 
http://www.cotyroneireland.com/estates/blessington.html but no Arthurs are 
recorded as tenants.
Church records; Cappagh Church of Ireland (previously quoted)
Census substitutes; Hearth Money Roll (1660s) (archived in PRONI, Belfast)
Derry Excommunications (1667); Presbyterians excommunicated from the 
Established (Anglican) Church by the Bishop of Derry (PRONI, Belfast)
Flaxgrowers Lists 1796 (previously quoted)
Names of Masters of Families, 1699 – PRONI, T/542 (have referred to these 
records, but no Arthurs recorded)

I wouldn’t look further than Cappagh for your forebears as you have indicated 
their native parish, although there are Arthurs recorded in both Ardstraw and 
Drumragh parishes which share boundaries with Cappagh, perhaps indicating a 
common heritage.

Unless the pre1800 Cappagh Parish Church registers have been copied and 
uploaded, I would not be paying for a subscription for any website. Perhaps a 
kind researcher with a Roots Ireland subscription could confirm that is the 
case and perhaps undertake a quick search for you.

It is not possible to offer anything further as I believe this post contains a 
full listing of pre1800 records for Cappagh. Nothing further than previously 
advised is available online.
Regards,

Len Swindley, Melbourne, Australia


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From: Steve Thomas
Sent: Sunday, 4 February 2018 2:51 AM
To: Len Swindley
Subject: Re: Researching John Arthur, b abt 1790 in County Tyrone


Len, thank you so much for your reply, it is much appreciated. I had a feeling 
what you say is the case with this parish and the records available.

The info you provide below is helpful, thanks. And you sound pretty confident 
that this is everything you can expect to get digitally, on-line etc? so that 
the only other way is to visit the church in Belfast? If there was a way for me 
to do this remotely, for a fee, I may be at a point where I'd be willing to try 
that.
Thanks again for your note and guidance. Steve

From: Len Swindley 
Sent: Saturday, February 3, 2018 4:45 AM
To: Steve Thomas; cotyronelist@cotyroneireland.com
Subject: RE: Researching John Arthur, b abt 1790 in County Tyrone


Hello Steve,



It is difficult to locate pre1800 records in Ireland – in general, many do not 
exist. This is the case for Cappagh parish, Co. Tyrone.



Flaxgrowers List (Spinning Wheel Premiums) 1796 
http://www.failteromhat.com/flax/tyrone.php

CAPPAGH Parish:

ARTHUR David

ARTHUR John

ARTHUR Matthew



The only surviving early church records are those for Cappagh Parish Church:

CAPPAGH PARISH CHURCH (Church of Ireland) Registers: transcripts held in PRONI, 
Belfast:

BAPTISMS 1753-1871, MARRIAGES 1752-1850, BURIALS 1758-1809 & 1834-92, VESTRY 
MINUTES 1755-1851 with list of applotters 1805-17 and 1839-50 and Poor Lists 
1802-11

PRONI Ref.: T.679/289, 303-305, 333-334, 338 & MIC/583/1,27, 30. These records 
are available for consultation in Belfast.



MOUNTJOY PRESBYTERIAN baptismal and marriage registers do not commence until 
1821.

There are no Arthur headstones in either Cappagh parish graveyard or in the 
graveyard attached to Mountjoy Presbyterian Church



CAPPAGH TITHE APPLOTMENT BOOK (1827) 

[CoTyroneMailingList] Researching John Arthur, b abt 1790 in County Tyrone

[Len Swindley]

From: Steve Thomas<mailto:awalr...@hotmail.com>
Sent: Sunday, 4 February 2018 2:51 AM
To: Len Swindley<mailto:len_swind...@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Researching John Arthur, b abt 1790 in County Tyrone


Len, thank you so much for your reply, it is much appreciated. I had a feeling 
what you say is the case with this parish and the records available.

The info you provide below is helpful, thanks. And you sound pretty confident 
that this is everything you can expect to get digitally, on-line etc? so that 
the only other way is to visit the church in Belfast? If there was a way for me 
to do this remotely, for a fee, I may be at a point where I'd be willing to try 
that.
Thanks again for your note and guidance. Steve

From: Len Swindley <len_swind...@hotmail.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 3, 2018 4:45 AM
To: Steve Thomas; cotyronelist@cotyroneireland.com
Subject: RE: Researching John Arthur, b abt 1790 in County Tyrone


Hello Steve,



It is difficult to locate pre1800 records in Ireland – in general, many do not 
exist. This is the case for Cappagh parish, Co. Tyrone.



Flaxgrowers List (Spinning Wheel Premiums) 1796 
http://www.failteromhat.com/flax/tyrone.php

CAPPAGH Parish:

ARTHUR David

ARTHUR John

ARTHUR Matthew



The only surviving early church records are those for Cappagh Parish Church:

CAPPAGH PARISH CHURCH (Church of Ireland) Registers: transcripts held in PRONI, 
Belfast:

BAPTISMS 1753-1871, MARRIAGES 1752-1850, BURIALS 1758-1809 & 1834-92, VESTRY 
MINUTES 1755-1851 with list of applotters 1805-17 and 1839-50 and Poor Lists 
1802-11

PRONI Ref.: T.679/289, 303-305, 333-334, 338 & MIC/583/1,27, 30. These records 
are available for consultation in Belfast.



MOUNTJOY PRESBYTERIAN baptismal and marriage registers do not commence until 
1821.

There are no Arthur headstones in either Cappagh parish graveyard or in the 
graveyard attached to Mountjoy Presbyterian Church



CAPPAGH TITHE APPLOTMENT BOOK (1827) records a number of tithepayers with the 
family name of ARTHUR: http://www.cotyroneireland.com/tithe/cappagh.html
Official Website of the County Tyrone Ireland Genealogy 
...<http://www.cotyroneireland.com/tithe/cappagh.html>
www.cotyroneireland.com
Official County Tyrone Ireland Mail List Website. Family and ancestry research 
aid.



ARTHUR Christopher, Eskeydowey

ARTHUR David, Gortanigan

ARTHUR John, Eskeydowey

ARTHUR Joseph Jun., Edenderry

ARTHUR Joseph Sen., Edenderry

ARTHUR William, Castletown

ARTHUR William, Gortanigan



The family name of McArthur is unknown in the parish.

Sadly, this is the reality of Irish genealogical research

Regards

Len Swindley, Melbourne, Australia





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From: Steve Thomas<mailto:awalr...@hotmail.com>
Sent: Saturday, 3 February 2018 12:54 AM
To: cotyronelist@cotyroneireland.com<mailto:cotyronelist@cotyroneireland.com>
Subject: [CoTyroneMailingList] Researching John Arthur, b abt 1790 in County 
Tyrone



Hello to all,

I was hoping someone may be bale to help me.

My 4G grandfather is John Arthur from County Tyrone, Parish of Cappagh.

Here is everything we think we know:

He was born about 1790. He came to the United States about 1811, and we have 
several possible ships logs that could be him from the same general time 
period. We also have two separate US Naturalization papers that could be him. 
The most detailed confirms the information about about his age, and where he 
came from. We also have several published history books that tells the same 
story about his age and where he came from.

In America, he married Rebecca Parker, and died April 1, 1830 in Lycoming 
County, Pennsylvania.

I have a lot more information about his offspring there after, but this is all 
i know about his origin.

If anyone can help me with the family name Arthur (or possibly McArthur or 
variations) in Cappagh, I would greatly appreciate it. Thanks.

Steve T.



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Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Researching John Arthur, b abt 1790 in County Tyrone

[Cora-Ann Wilson]

Hi Steve
As Len says, such early records are rare in Ireland for various reasons.  It’s 
matter of luck of you can find any.

Nonetheless, I have found several early records on RootsIreland for places all 
over Ireland.  And a quick perusal just now indicates a few “Arthurs” including 
one from Derry in your time frame.  They have daily subscriptions these days so 
would be worth a quick search.  

I’d be checking for Arthurs within the geographic area and broad timeframes.  
You need to search broadly geographically and time wise.  Records weren’t that 
accurate and asIreland is relatively so small the boundaries are very close 
together.

Cora-Ann

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> On 2 Feb 2018, at 9:21 pm, Steve Thomas  wrote:
> 
> Hello to all,
> I was hoping someone may be bale to help me.
> My 4G grandfather is John Arthur from County Tyrone, Parish of Cappagh.
> Here is everything we think we know:
> He was born about 1790. He came to the United States about 1811, and we have 
> several possible ships logs that could be him from the same general time 
> period. We also have two separate US Naturalization papers that could be him. 
> The most detailed confirms the information about about his age, and where he 
> came from. We also have several published history books that tells the same 
> story about his age and where he came from.
> In America, he married Rebecca Parker, and died April 1, 1830 in Lycoming 
> County, Pennsylvania.
> I have a lot more information about his offspring there after, but this is 
> all i know about his origin.
> If anyone can help me with the family name Arthur (or possibly McArthur or 
> variations) in Cappagh, I would greatly appreciate it. Thanks.
> Steve T.
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Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Researching John Arthur, b abt 1790 in County Tyrone

[Len Swindley]

Hello Steve,

It is difficult to locate pre1800 records in Ireland – in general, many do not 
exist. This is the case for Cappagh parish, Co. Tyrone.

Flaxgrowers List (Spinning Wheel Premiums) 1796 
http://www.failteromhat.com/flax/tyrone.php
CAPPAGH Parish:
ARTHUR David
ARTHUR John
ARTHUR Matthew

The only surviving early church records are those for Cappagh Parish Church:
CAPPAGH PARISH CHURCH (Church of Ireland) Registers: transcripts held in PRONI, 
Belfast:
BAPTISMS 1753-1871, MARRIAGES 1752-1850, BURIALS 1758-1809 & 1834-92, VESTRY 
MINUTES 1755-1851 with list of applotters 1805-17 and 1839-50 and Poor Lists 
1802-11
PRONI Ref.: T.679/289, 303-305, 333-334, 338 & MIC/583/1,27, 30. These records 
are available for consultation in Belfast.

MOUNTJOY PRESBYTERIAN baptismal and marriage registers do not commence until 
1821.
There are no Arthur headstones in either Cappagh parish graveyard or in the 
graveyard attached to Mountjoy Presbyterian Church

CAPPAGH TITHE APPLOTMENT BOOK (1827) records a number of tithepayers with the 
family name of ARTHUR: http://www.cotyroneireland.com/tithe/cappagh.html
ARTHUR Christopher, Eskeydowey
ARTHUR David, Gortanigan
ARTHUR John, Eskeydowey
ARTHUR Joseph Jun., Edenderry
ARTHUR Joseph Sen., Edenderry
ARTHUR William, Castletown
ARTHUR William, Gortanigan

The family name of McArthur is unknown in the parish.
Sadly, this is the reality of Irish genealogical research
Regards
Len Swindley, Melbourne, Australia


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From: Steve Thomas<mailto:awalr...@hotmail.com>
Sent: Saturday, 3 February 2018 12:54 AM
To: cotyronelist@cotyroneireland.com<mailto:cotyronelist@cotyroneireland.com>
Subject: [CoTyroneMailingList] Researching John Arthur, b abt 1790 in County 
Tyrone


Hello to all,

I was hoping someone may be bale to help me.

My 4G grandfather is John Arthur from County Tyrone, Parish of Cappagh.

Here is everything we think we know:

He was born about 1790. He came to the United States about 1811, and we have 
several possible ships logs that could be him from the same general time 
period. We also have two separate US Naturalization papers that could be him. 
The most detailed confirms the information about about his age, and where he 
came from. We also have several published history books that tells the same 
story about his age and where he came from.

In America, he married Rebecca Parker, and died April 1, 1830 in Lycoming 
County, Pennsylvania.

I have a lot more information about his offspring there after, but this is all 
i know about his origin.

If anyone can help me with the family name Arthur (or possibly McArthur or 
variations) in Cappagh, I would greatly appreciate it. Thanks.

Steve T.

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[CoTyroneMailingList] Researching John Arthur, b abt 1790 in County Tyrone

[Steve Thomas]

Hello to all,

I was hoping someone may be bale to help me.

My 4G grandfather is John Arthur from County Tyrone, Parish of Cappagh.

Here is everything we think we know:

He was born about 1790. He came to the United States about 1811, and we have 
several possible ships logs that could be him from the same general time 
period. We also have two separate US Naturalization papers that could be him. 
The most detailed confirms the information about about his age, and where he 
came from. We also have several published history books that tells the same 
story about his age and where he came from.

In America, he married Rebecca Parker, and died April 1, 1830 in Lycoming 
County, Pennsylvania.

I have a lot more information about his offspring there after, but this is all 
i know about his origin.

If anyone can help me with the family name Arthur (or possibly McArthur or 
variations) in Cappagh, I would greatly appreciate it. Thanks.

Steve T.
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