Re: CDR: RE: Seth Finkelstein, reluctant cypherpunk?

2001-04-05 Thread Bill Stewart
At 08:03 PM 04/03/2001 -0700, Sandy Sandfort wrote: So, do the participants of this list wish to actually get something done with regard to securing privacy, or shall we just spin our wheels in internecine warfare? Well, we *could* act like good Libertarian party member and go for the

Re: CDR: RE: Seth Finkelstein, reluctant cypherpunk?

2001-04-03 Thread Declan McCullagh
On Tue, Apr 03, 2001 at 08:03:22PM -0700, Sandy Sandfort wrote: Declan and Jim both seemed to have missed the point about Cypherpunks. I've attended physical meetings, off and on, since meeting #2 or #3 in the Bay Area. It's a fair point, and I don't think I missed it. In any case, I don't

RE: CDR: RE: Seth Finkelstein, reluctant cypherpunk?

2001-04-03 Thread Sandy Sandfort
Choate; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: CDR: RE: Seth Finkelstein, reluctant cypherpunk? On Tue, Apr 03, 2001 at 08:03:22PM -0700, Sandy Sandfort wrote: Declan and Jim both seemed to have missed the point about Cypherpunks. I've attended physical meetings, off and on, since meeting #2

Re: CDR: RE: Seth Finkelstein, reluctant cypherpunk?

2001-04-03 Thread Jim Choate
On Tue, 3 Apr 2001, Sandy Sandfort wrote: Jim most certainly did miss my point. I said, in essence, that we are doing the anti-privacy crowd's a service when we argue among ourselves. Jim's still arguing left vs. right vs. libertarian vs. whatever. Get with the program, Jim. No Sandy,

RE: CDR: RE: Seth Finkelstein, reluctant cypherpunk?

2001-04-03 Thread Jim Choate
On Tue, 3 Apr 2001, Sandy Sandfort wrote: Declan is a gentleman and a scholar. Now if only we could get...others to demonstrate the same sort of wisdom. :-D Translation from spin doctor bullshit into regular english: I like Declan because he agrees with me.

Re: CDR: RE: Seth Finkelstein, reluctant cypherpunk?

2001-04-03 Thread dmolnar
On Tue, 3 Apr 2001, Jim Choate wrote: That the populate in general will find a way to resolve the disparities and problems by simple understanding and toleration. Has anyone ever done a study - a worthwhile, entertaining, informative, cautionary study - of rhetoric employed by