Re: [crossfire] new metaserver

2005-06-19 Thread Mitch Obrian
Most webservers out there are linux. This isn't a problem IMO. --- Mark Wedel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Brendan Lally wrote: > > >> Right - I'm not sure the cost of doing it web > server based vs independent > >>program. For the number of crossfire servers > we're talking about, probably >

Re: [crossfire] new metaserver

2005-06-19 Thread Mark Wedel
Brendan Lally wrote: Right - I'm not sure the cost of doing it web server based vs independent program. For the number of crossfire servers we're talking about, probably not a big deal in any case - although with it being web server based, you do have to be concerned with things like file lock

Re: [crossfire] new metaserver

2005-06-17 Thread Andrew Fuchs
On 6/16/05, Brendan Lally <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: ... > Yes, Server intercommunication could then be done at the proper level, so that > shouts could go between servers. > > Then tell would act in a similar way to jabber. > eg, > > tell [EMAIL PROTECTED] > or > tell [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > with

Re: [crossfire] new metaserver

2005-06-16 Thread Brendan Lally
On Thursday 16 June 2005 06:02, Mark Wedel wrote: > Since server updates may be sporadic, presumably the metaservers won't > drop the listing for a server until some amount of time passes (30 minutes > or something). Note also that the current metaserver tracks when it last > got an update from

Re: [crossfire] new metaserver

2005-06-15 Thread Mark Wedel
Brendan Lally wrote: On Friday 10 June 2005 06:27, Mark Wedel wrote: A few more notes/thoughts: For the server, switching to tcp is perhaps a good thing. What I'd actually think is the best thing is there to be a small helper program that the server executes, and then talks to that helper p

Re: [crossfire] new metaserver

2005-06-12 Thread Brendan Lally
On Friday 10 June 2005 06:27, Mark Wedel wrote: > A few more notes/thoughts: > > For the server, switching to tcp is perhaps a good thing. What I'd > actually think is the best thing is there to be a small helper program that > the server executes, and then talks to that helper program then a

Re: [crossfire] new metaserver

2005-06-09 Thread Mark Wedel
A few more notes/thoughts: For the server, switching to tcp is perhaps a good thing. What I'd actually think is the best thing is there to be a small helper program that the server executes, and then talks to that helper program then a named socket (or perhaps just a pipe). The server cou

Re: [crossfire] new metaserver

2005-06-09 Thread Brendan Lally
>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 06/09/05 06:08 AM >>> > seems to me that making the CMS ip secret is just security through > obscurity. > Once someone discovers that IP through whatever method, you lose that > benefit > - this means the CMS has to be secure on its own. Yeah, what I have had in mind a

Re: [crossfire] new metaserver

2005-06-09 Thread Brendan Lally
>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 06/09/05 21:07 PM >>> > Obsurity is just one layer of security. It is used by > IRC servers rather sucessfully for their hub server. > http://cavetroll.uwcs.co.uk/ > http://cavetroll.uwcs.co.uk/metaserver/ er, that one doesn't actually work properly, (an issue with perl modu

Re: [crossfire] new metaserver

2005-06-09 Thread Mitch Obrian
Obsurity is just one layer of security. It is used by IRC servers rather sucessfully for their hub server. http://cavetroll.uwcs.co.uk/ http://cavetroll.uwcs.co.uk/metaserver/ --- Mark Wedel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Mitch Obrian wrote: > > Cave's php metaservers are great. The sms's are > se

Re: [crossfire] new metaserver

2005-06-09 Thread Michael
I'm not sure if its been suggested, and I'm probably missing some part of the discussion. I heard somewhere on the list that the metaserver required the use of udp, which is easily spoofable. By that I mean that no connection handshake required to start data transfer, and most isps don't seem

Re: [crossfire] new metaserver

2005-06-08 Thread Mark Wedel
Mitch Obrian wrote: Cave's php metaservers are great. The sms's are sent the data by the servers. They then send the info to the cms which sends the info to the other sms's. This way (since the sms's are trusted) the cms is unDoSable as it's ip is unknown except for the trusted sms. Since cave's

Re: [crossfire] new metaserver

2005-06-05 Thread Alex Schultz
Andrew Fuchs wrote: I think that some of the "client metaservers" should be able to work directly with the servers, these metaservers would have to be more trusted than the normal ones though. Something that could be done well with the way that cavehippo's php one is set up with 'active' and

Re: [crossfire] new metaserver

2005-06-05 Thread Rick Tanner
On Thu, 2 Jun 2005, Mark Wedel wrote: 1) Has someone agreed to run the metametaserver? What about the slave metaservers? While all this looks nice, if you don't have people willing to run it/take care of it, it is all pretty pointless. For the metametaserver, I'm thinking more of the Tann

Re: [crossfire] new metaserver

2005-06-05 Thread Andrew Fuchs
I think that some of the "client metaservers" should be able to work directly with the servers, these metaservers would have to be more trusted than the normal ones though. -- -- Andrew Fuchs ___ crossfire mailing list crossfire@metalforge.org http://m

Re: [crossfire] new metaserver

2005-06-05 Thread Mitch Obrian
I could run the meta-metaserver if you wanted... --- Mark Wedel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > tchize wrote: > > Le Jeudi 2 Juin 2005 09:20, Mark Wedel a écrit : > > >>1) Has someone agreed to run the metametaserver? > What about the slave > >>metaservers? While all this looks nice, if you > don

Re: [crossfire] new metaserver

2005-06-05 Thread Mitch Obrian
Cave's php metaservers are great. The sms's are sent the data by the servers. They then send the info to the cms which sends the info to the other sms's. This way (since the sms's are trusted) the cms is unDoSable as it's ip is unknown except for the trusted sms. Since cave's metaservers are writte

Re: [crossfire] new metaserver

2005-06-04 Thread Mark Wedel
As asked, here is my thought on this. To make typing this easier, CMS = chief (core) metaserver. SMS = slave metaserver There is one CMS. All crossfire servers that want to be listed in metaserver output send there data to this server (exactly how - udp/tcp, and what to send is an open i

Re: [crossfire] new metaserver

2005-06-04 Thread Mark Wedel
tchize wrote: Le Jeudi 2 Juin 2005 09:20, Mark Wedel a écrit : 1) Has someone agreed to run the metametaserver? What about the slave metaservers? While all this looks nice, if you don't have people willing to run it/take care of it, it is all pretty pointless. For the metametaserver, I'm th

Re: [crossfire] new metaserver

2005-06-02 Thread Mitch Obrian
I can also host a slave metaserver. --- Brendan Lally <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 06/02/05 08:23 AM >>> > > > 1) Has someone agreed to run the metametaserver? > What about the slave > > metaservers? > > I can host one, maybe two, but this assumes the use > of HTTP. > >

Re: [crossfire] new metaserver

2005-06-02 Thread Brendan Lally
>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 06/02/05 08:23 AM >>> > 1) Has someone agreed to run the metametaserver? What about the slave > metaservers? I can host one, maybe two, but this assumes the use of HTTP. > 4) Has anyone considered the approach where all the servers talk to the > metametaserver (lets call