Re: Lava lamp random number generator made useful?

2008-09-24 Thread Alan
On Tue, 2008-09-23 at 00:09 -0700, Jon Callas wrote: > >> A cheap USB camera would make a good source. > >> The cheaper the better, too. Pull a frame off, > >> hash it, and it's got entropy, even against a > >> white background. No lava lamp needed. > > > > I sort of agree, but I feel cautious abou

Re: Lava lamp random number generator made useful?

2008-09-23 Thread Jon Callas
A cheap USB camera would make a good source. The cheaper the better, too. Pull a frame off, hash it, and it's got entropy, even against a white background. No lava lamp needed. I sort of agree, but I feel cautious about recommending that people use their holiday snaps. And then post them on lin

Re: Lava lamp random number generator made useful?

2008-09-22 Thread Thor Lancelot Simon
On Sun, Sep 21, 2008 at 01:20:22PM -0400, James Cloos wrote: > > "IanG" == IanG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > IanG> Nope, sorry, didn't follow it. What is BOM, SoC, A plug, gerber? > > Bill Of Materials -- cost of the raw hardware > System on (a) Chip -- microchip with CPU, RAM, FLASH, e

Re: Lava lamp random number generator made useful?

2008-09-21 Thread James Cloos
> "IanG" == IanG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: IanG> Nope, sorry, didn't follow it. What is BOM, SoC, A plug, gerber? Bill Of Materials -- cost of the raw hardware System on (a) Chip -- microchip with CPU, RAM, FLASH, etc USB A Plug -- physical flat-four interface; think USB key driv

Re: Lava lamp random number generator made useful?

2008-09-21 Thread Sandy Harris
On Sat, Sep 20, 2008 at 3:09 PM, IanG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Does anyone know of a cheap USB random number source? > > ... > > I've often thought that if we had an open source hardware design of > a USB random number generator ... that cost a few pennies to add > onto any other USB toy ... t

Re: Lava lamp random number generator made useful?

2008-09-21 Thread James Cloos
> "IanG" == IanG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: IanG> I've often thought that if we had an open source hardware design IanG> of a USB random number generator It should be doable as just a RNG device for a BOM of a few tens of USD. There are at least of couple of SoCs on the market which advert

Re: Lava lamp random number generator made useful?

2008-09-21 Thread Jon Callas
Does anyone know of a cheap USB random number source? As a meandering comment, it would be extremely good for us if we had cheap pocket random number sources of arguable quality [1]. I've often thought that if we had an open source hardware design of a USB random number generator ... that cost

Re: Lava lamp random number generator made useful?

2008-09-21 Thread John Denker
On 09/20/2008 12:09 AM, IanG wrote: > Does anyone know of a cheap USB random number source? Is $7.59 cheap enough? http://www.geeks.com/details.asp?invtid=HE-280B&cat=GDT For that you get a USB audio adapter with mike jack, and then you can run turbid(tm) to produce high-quality randomness.

Re: Lava lamp random number generator made useful?

2008-09-20 Thread IanG
Jerry Leichter wrote: > At ThinkGeek, you can now, for only $6.99, buy yourself a USB-powered > mini lava lamp (see http://www.thinkgeek.com/gadgets/lights/7825/). > "All you need" is some way to watch the thing - perhaps a USB camera - > and some software to extract random bits. (This isn't *re

Lava lamp random number generator made useful?

2008-09-19 Thread Jerry Leichter
The Lava Lamp Random Number generator (at http://www.lavarnd.org/) generates true random numbers from the images of a couple of lava lamps. Of course, as a source of randomness for cryptographic purposes, it's useless because it's visible to everyone (though I suppose it might be used for