Re: [cryptography] To Protect and Infect Slides

2014-01-01 Thread Ralph Holz
Hi Jake, Ian Grigg just made a point on metzdowd that I think is true: if you want to change the NSA, you need to address the many corporates that profit from what they are doing. Because the chain goes like this: corporate money - election campaigns - representatives - NSA What do you think?

Re: [cryptography] To Protect and Infect Slides

2014-01-01 Thread coderman
On Wed, Jan 1, 2014 at 3:56 AM, Ralph Holz h...@net.in.tum.de wrote: Hi Jake, Ian Grigg just made a point on metzdowd that I think is true: if you want to change the NSA, you need to address the [...] [... money] Because the chain goes like this: corporate money - election campaigns -

Re: [cryptography] To Protect and Infect Slides

2014-01-01 Thread Shawn Wilson
If you'll notice that both political parties have expanded on the NSA's mission, scope, and probably funding. I doubt there are any business motives here. In fact, it seems to me there are the exact opposite. Though, since much of government is now contracted out, I do wonder who this was

Re: [cryptography] To Protect and Infect Slides

2014-01-01 Thread John Young
Jake's, Assange's and others' emphasis at 30c3 was to pursue technological offenses rather than futile expectation of political, financial and legal controls of spying which inevitably confirm what spies do, for it is in their interest to support spyin and secrecy to maintain hegemonic,

Re: [cryptography] To Protect and Infect Slides

2014-01-01 Thread Ed Stone
On Wed, Jan 1, 2014 at 3:56 AM, Ralph Holz h...@net.in.tum.de wrote: Hi Jake, Ian Grigg just made a point on metzdowd that I think is true: if you want to change the NSA, you need to address the many corporates that profit from what they are doing. Because the chain goes like this:

Re: [cryptography] To Protect and Infect Slides

2014-01-01 Thread Jeffrey Walton
On Wed, Jan 1, 2014 at 7:22 AM, coderman coder...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jan 1, 2014 at 3:56 AM, Ralph Holz h...@net.in.tum.de wrote: Hi Jake, Ian Grigg just made a point on metzdowd that I think is true: if you want to change the NSA, you need to address the [...] [... money] Because the