Re: [cryptography] bitcoin scalability to high transaction rates

2011-07-22 Thread lodewijk andré de la porte
For a shipped product the ~5 minutes to a few hours delay isn't going to matter much, since the product has to go through shipping first. Kinda like buying an express shipment when you're not at home for the coming few weeks. -Lewis 2011/7/22 Daniel Carosone d...@geek.com.au On Thu, Jul 21,

Re: [cryptography] bitcoin scalability to high transaction rates

2011-07-21 Thread Nicholas Bohm
On 21/07/2011 03:01, Daniel Carosone wrote: On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 08:25:40PM +0300, lodewijk andr? de la porte wrote: I personally still worry about how big the early bird bonus was, someone estimated the earliest of participators had a million of bitcoins.

Re: [cryptography] bitcoin scalability to high transaction rates

2011-07-21 Thread Sampo Syreeni
On 2011-07-21, Marsh Ray wrote: I guess I don't see the need to do bitcoin crypto transactions at that speed any more than the other high-speed exchanges need to rapidly move stock certificates, hard cash, or perform ACH/EFTs. That's probably true. But then, HST is just an example of a

Re: [cryptography] bitcoin scalability to high transaction rates

2011-07-21 Thread Nathan Loofbourrow
On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 8:41 AM, Sampo Syreeni de...@iki.fi wrote: On 2011-07-21, Marsh Ray wrote: I guess I don't see the need to do bitcoin crypto transactions at that speed any more than the other high-speed exchanges need to rapidly move stock certificates, hard cash, or perform

Re: [cryptography] bitcoin scalability to high transaction rates

2011-07-21 Thread James A. Donald
Those interested in what is on record may want to look at http://blockexplorer.com/ I wrote: This information, without IP numbers, is unlikely to be very useful in tracing transactions, Transactions are in a sense perfectly traceable, however bitcoin violates the know your customer rule to

Re: [cryptography] bitcoin scalability to high transaction rates

2011-07-21 Thread lodewijk andré de la porte
There's currently a limited amount of transactions per block, this limit can be changed. There's certain stuff in place to give bigger transactions, older transactions and transactions with higher fee's precedence. That should kill the possibility to truly DoS the network, although it's possible

Re: [cryptography] bitcoin scalability to high transaction rates

2011-07-21 Thread James A. Donald
On 2011-07-22 8:22 AM, lodewijk andré de la porte wrote: There's currently a limited amount of transactions per block, this limit can be changed. There's certain stuff in place to give bigger transactions, older transactions and transactions with higher fee's precedence. That should kill the

Re: [cryptography] bitcoin scalability to high transaction rates

2011-07-21 Thread Daniel Carosone
On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 08:47:35AM -0700, Nathan Loofbourrow wrote: It's only when money is transferred into our out of the exchange that a real transaction needs to be created, whether though Bitcoin or through a bank. Private markets can help aggregate small transactions. .. as well as help

Re: [cryptography] bitcoin scalability to high transaction rates

2011-07-20 Thread James A. Donald
On 2011-07-20 4:57 PM, a...@crypto.lo.gy wrote: At the current market depth and without a widespread adoption, Bitcoin exhibits a high volatility. So you are telling us if bitcoin fails, it fails. Conversely, however, if it succeeds, it succeeds.

Re: [cryptography] bitcoin scalability to high transaction rates

2011-07-20 Thread Alfonso De Gregorio
On Wed, Jul 20, 2011 at 11:29 AM, James A. Donald jam...@echeque.com wrote: On 2011-07-20 4:57 PM, a...@crypto.lo.gy wrote: At the current market depth and without a widespread adoption, Bitcoin exhibits a high volatility. So you are telling us if bitcoin fails, it fails. Conversely,

Re: [cryptography] bitcoin scalability to high transaction rates

2011-07-20 Thread Ian G
On 20/07/11 9:08 PM, Eugen Leitl wrote: On Wed, Jul 20, 2011 at 11:56:06AM +0200, Alfonso De Gregorio wrote: I'd better rephrase it in: expectation to have money backed by bitcoins exhibiting all the desirable properties of a perfect currency (ie, stable money) are greatly exaggerated. The

Re: [cryptography] bitcoin scalability to high transaction rates

2011-07-20 Thread James A. Donald
On 2011-07-20 11:24 PM, Ian G wrote: Well, it's clearly inefficient, but that's a design feature :) Privacy can't really be claimed as it has a public database, and it's a sucker for datamining. Latency I gather has its issues too. A distributed currency requires a consensus as to who owns

Re: [cryptography] bitcoin scalability to high transaction rates

2011-07-20 Thread Daniel Carosone
On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 08:25:40PM +0300, lodewijk andr? de la porte wrote: I personally still worry about how big the early bird bonus was, someone estimated the earliest of participators had a million of bitcoins. If/since bitcoin posessess the full history log and lacks the privacy

Re: [cryptography] bitcoin scalability to high transaction rates

2011-07-20 Thread Marsh Ray
On 07/20/2011 08:24 AM, Ian G wrote: Yes, sure, but: 1. we are talking about high frequency trading here, and speed is the first, second and third rule. Each trade could be making 10k++ and up, which buys you a lot of leaches. Basically, you have to get the trade down to the cost of a packet,

Re: [cryptography] bitcoin scalability to high transaction rates

2011-07-19 Thread lodewijk andré de la porte
This would revive many of the things people have aspired to kill with bitcoins. Among others the creation of money (I can borrow and store more money than I have). It would also mean moving the scalability problem to a centralized system, a trusted party. In other words: wouldn't having money

Re: [cryptography] bitcoin scalability to high transaction rates

2011-07-19 Thread Sampo Syreeni
On 2011-07-20, Ian G wrote: To answer OP, typically all trading is done on a delayed and netted settlement. Which is to say the trade might be done real time but the settlement is batched for later, typically after market closing. No money changes hands until later. This is especially true as

Re: [cryptography] bitcoin scalability to high transaction rates

2011-07-19 Thread James A. Donald
James A. Donald The obvious next step is to have chaumian money and account money which has rapid low cost transactions, which money is converted into bitcoins at leisure, analogous to having gold, and account money and banknotes backed by gold. On 2011-07-20 3:25 AM, lodewijk andré de la

Re: [cryptography] bitcoin scalability to high transaction rates

2011-06-16 Thread James A. Donald
On 2011-06-17 4:35 AM, Sampo Syreeni wrote: Since I've been forced to take yet another look into BitCoin and algorithmic (high frequency) trading within a short timespan, I began to wonder how they would work together. What precisely would happen to BitCoin if we had tens to tens of thousands of