[cryptography] Cypherpunks mailing list

2013-03-25 Thread Tony Arcieri
The original Cypherpunks mailing list seems dead. Is there any list that it's successor? -- Tony Arcieri ___ cryptography mailing list cryptography@randombit.net http://lists.randombit.net/mailman/listinfo/cryptography

Re: [cryptography] Cypherpunks mailing list

2013-03-25 Thread Adam Back
Yeah but that is basically zero traffic, and I suspect in large part because its a silly domain that people who dislike inviting their addition to a watch-list will avoid. Maybe someone with a more neutral domain could try it - or a cypherpunks.* domain if they have a listserv handy. Adam On

Re: [cryptography] msft skype IM snooping stats PGP/X509 in IM?? (Re: why did OTR succeed in IM?)

2013-03-25 Thread ianG
Ever since Microsoft bought the company, these rumors have been floating around. I have yet to see any real evidence. Here are the two best articles I've seen: https://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/25/technology/microsoft-inherits-sticky-data-collection-issues-from-skype.html

Re: [cryptography] Keyspace: client-side encryption for key/value stores

2013-03-25 Thread Ben Laurie
On 23 March 2013 16:21, danimoth danim...@cryptolab.net wrote: On 21/03/13 at 03:07am, Jeffrey Walton wrote: Linux has not warmed up to the fact that userland needs help in storing secrets from the OS. http://standards.freedesktop.org/secret-service/ but maybe I have misunderstood your

Re: [cryptography] Apple Keychain (was Keyspace: client-side encryption for key/value stores)

2013-03-25 Thread Peter Gutmann
Paul Walker p...@blacksun.org.uk writes: I'm curious which bits you feel Apple got right with the Keychain - not because I disbelieve you, but because I don't know. :-) Have you got any links or documents, either for what they did right or for what the others do wrong? Link sent off-list.

Re: [cryptography] Keyspace: client-side encryption for key/value stores

2013-03-25 Thread Thierry Moreau
danimoth wrote: On 21/03/13 at 03:07am, Jeffrey Walton wrote: Linux has not warmed up to the fact that userland needs help in storing secrets from the OS. http://standards.freedesktop.org/secret-service/ but maybe I have misunderstood your statement.

Re: [cryptography] Keyspace: client-side encryption for key/value stores

2013-03-25 Thread ianG
On 25/03/13 16:51 PM, Thierry Moreau wrote: Security by management exhaustion (the time we discuss this vs others ...). We need a committee! They're inexhaustible! iang ___ cryptography mailing list cryptography@randombit.net

[cryptography] mTLS: miTLS is a verified reference implementation of the TLS protocol

2013-03-25 Thread yersinia
miTLS is a verified reference implementation of the TLS protocolhttp://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc5246. Our code fully supports its wire formats, ciphersuites, sessions and connections, re-handshakes and resumptions, alerts and errors, and data fragmentation, as prescribed in the RFCs; it

Re: [cryptography] Apple Keychain (was Keyspace: client-side encryption for key/value stores)

2013-03-25 Thread Jeffrey Goldberg
[Posted to list only] On 2013-03-25, at 8:02 AM, Peter Gutmann pgut...@cs.auckland.ac.nz wrote: Another nice thing Apple have done, which no-one else has managed so far, is to get people to actively use the Keychain API and capabilities. I just looked in my login (default) OS X Keychain for

Re: [cryptography] Cypherpunks mailing list

2013-03-25 Thread Adam Back
On Mon, Mar 25, 2013 at 05:13:57PM +0100, Moritz wrote: On 25.03.2013 09:25, Adam Back wrote: because its a silly domain that people who dislike inviting their addition to a watch-list will avoid. Isn't exactly that a nice property of a cypherpunks list? No it is not, it is a way to

Re: [cryptography] Cypherpunks mailing list

2013-03-25 Thread Eugen Leitl
On Mon, Mar 25, 2013 at 05:50:18PM +0100, Adam Back wrote: Isn't exactly that a nice property of a cypherpunks list? No it is not, it is a way to persuade people to leave, or not join the listserv. We have to agree to disagree on that one. A 'punk' of any kind will tend to thumb his nose at

Re: [cryptography] Cypherpunks mailing list

2013-03-25 Thread Adam Back
Cyberpunk, cypherpunk, coderpunks... is all fine, I think people have understood the etymology of those terms after a few decades, negative connotations to some of 'punk' notwithstanding, a cypherpunk is a term for an area of interest or philosophy with a dictionary definition at this point. But

Re: [cryptography] Cypherpunks mailing list

2013-03-25 Thread jameschoate
Well then start one up and show us how it's done Adam. Put your money where your mouth is. Adam Back a...@cypherspace.org wrote: On Mon, Mar 25, 2013 at 05:13:57PM +0100, Moritz wrote: On 25.03.2013 09:25, Adam Back wrote: because its a silly domain that people who dislike inviting

Re: [cryptography] Cypherpunks mailing list

2013-03-25 Thread jameschoate
Speaking as one of the two people who started that particular effort, it never quite worked out that way. Way too many TLAs, law suits, IRS visits, and those who read their own press releases to make it nearly as enjoyable as it sounds. Moritz mor...@headstrong.de wrote: On 25.03.2013

Re: [cryptography] Cypherpunks mailing list

2013-03-25 Thread coderman
On Mon, Mar 25, 2013 at 1:25 AM, Adam Back a...@cypherspace.org wrote: Yeah but that is basically zero traffic, and I suspect in large part because its a silly domain that people who dislike inviting their addition to a watch-list will avoid. i like it. waiting for the day they accept

Re: [cryptography] Cypherpunks mailing list

2013-03-25 Thread Jens Kubieziel
* Adam Back schrieb am 2013-03-25 um 09:25 Uhr: Maybe someone with a more neutral domain could try it - or a cypherpunks.* domain if they have a listserv handy. Our local hackerspace uses a rather neutral address: URL:https://list.lstsrv.org/ We could also host the Cypherpunks list, if you

[cryptography] New mailing list for crypto politics/non-tech (Was: Cypherpunks mailing list)

2013-03-25 Thread Jack Lloyd
I just created a new mailman list https://lists.randombit.net/mailman/listinfo/cryptopolitics as a venue for discussions that would normally go to cypherpunks but hasn't because of the name or spam or whatever reason, and which are off topic for this list so haven't happened here. As with this

Re: [cryptography] Cypherpunks mailing list

2013-03-25 Thread Eugen Leitl
On Mon, Mar 25, 2013 at 07:03:04PM +0100, Adam Back wrote: But my point actually was b...@al-qaeda.net??? Come on that is watch list Of course it is pure watch list bait. That's the point. bait and an invitation NOT to join list blah, whatever it is about. If you think it's a deterrent,

Re: [cryptography] Cypherpunks mailing list

2013-03-25 Thread Ted Smith
On Mon, 2013-03-25 at 21:28 +0100, Eugen Leitl wrote: On Mon, Mar 25, 2013 at 07:03:04PM +0100, Adam Back wrote: But my point actually was b...@al-qaeda.net??? Come on that is watch list Of course it is pure watch list bait. That's the point. bait and an invitation NOT to join list

Re: [cryptography] New mailing list for crypto politics/non-tech (Was: Cypherpunks mailing list)

2013-03-25 Thread James A. Donald
On 2013-03-26 6:21 AM, Jack Lloyd wrote: I just created a new mailman list https://lists.randombit.net/mailman/listinfo/cryptopolitics as a venue for discussions that would normally go to cypherpunks but hasn't because of the name or spam or whatever reason, and which are off topic for this list

Re: [cryptography] New mailing list for crypto politics/non-tech (Was: Cypherpunks mailing list)

2013-03-25 Thread Lodewijk andré de la porte
2013/3/25 James A. Donald jam...@echeque.com You don't have cryptopolitics unless the government is trying to ban stuff. Current bans focus on bitcoins and file sharing. To politics there is more than the destructive side. ___ cryptography mailing

Re: [cryptography] New mailing list for crypto politics/non-tech (Was: Cypherpunks mailing list)

2013-03-25 Thread jameschoate
Lodewijk andré de la porte l...@odewijk.nl wrote: To politics there is more than the destructive side. That is the funniest thing I've read in a long while. You sir don't have a drop of Cypherpunk blood in your body. -- -- -- -- -- Venimus, Vidimus, Dolavimus jamescho...@austin.rr.com

Re: [cryptography] New mailing list for crypto politics/non-tech (Was: Cypherpunks mailing list)

2013-03-25 Thread Moritz
Can we slowly move back to crypto on this list, and discuss politics and cypherpunk or whatever definitions on the new one? On 26.03.2013 06:19, James A. Donald wrote: Politics is collective decision making. Cypherpunk is opposed to collective decision making. Definition of POLITICS

Re: [cryptography] New mailing list for crypto politics/non-tech (Was: Cypherpunks mailing list)

2013-03-25 Thread jameschoate
Actually, you're both wrong. Politics is a coping strategy we inherited from our social ancestors, nothing scientific or intelligent about it - it's an emotional behavior.