Re: [cryptography] [Cryptography] basing conclusions on facts

2014-06-16 Thread David Adamson
On 6/16/14, ianG i...@iang.org wrote: The revelation that a crypto company was patenting a backdoor in an international standard is indeed faith-shattering. Details aside... Tanja Lange points out that the original filing by Certicom covered both escrow and anti-escrow. Oh, my, how

Re: [cryptography] [Cryptography] basing conclusions on facts

2014-06-15 Thread ianG
On 15/06/2014 14:37 pm, Stephen Farrell wrote: I've no public opinion on Certicom's patent practices. And the behaviour of the signals intelligence agencies has been IMO deplorable. So I sympathise with some of what you are saying. However, building your case on bogus claims that are not

Re: [cryptography] [Cryptography] basing conclusions on facts

2014-06-15 Thread Stephen Farrell
On 15/06/14 19:16, ianG wrote: For my part, I had seen his name only with respect to IETF WGs. However I admit that I do not follow IETF security WGs closely, so am not qualified to assert highly active. You are right, I am wrong. Thanks for that refreshing approach! I appreciate it,

Re: [cryptography] [Cryptography] basing conclusions on facts

2014-06-15 Thread John Young
At 02:29 PM 6/15/2014, two wrote: On 15/06/14 19:16, ianG wrote: You are right, I am wrong. Stephen Farrell wrote: Thanks for that refreshing approach! This is faith shattering. Somebody is lying, maybe everbody. Ah, Worldwide Elder Abuse Avoidance Day by Obama proclamation: America must