Re: "Against Rekeying"

2010-03-25 Thread Steven Bellovin
On Mar 23, 2010, at 11:21 AM, Perry E. Metzger wrote: > > Ekr has an interesting blog post up on the question of whether protocol > support for periodic rekeying is a good or a bad thing: > > http://www.educatedguesswork.org/2010/03/against_rekeying.html > > I'd be interested in hearing what p

Re: "Against Rekeying"

2010-03-25 Thread Joseph Ashwood
-- From: "Perry E. Metzger" Subject: "Against Rekeying" I'd be interested in hearing what people think on the topic. I'm a bit skeptical of his position, partially because I think we have too little experience with real world attacks on cryptograp

Re: "Against Rekeying"

2010-03-25 Thread Simon Josefsson
"Perry E. Metzger" writes: > Ekr has an interesting blog post up on the question of whether protocol > support for periodic rekeying is a good or a bad thing: > > http://www.educatedguesswork.org/2010/03/against_rekeying.html > > I'd be interested in hearing what people think on the topic. I'm a

Re: "Against Rekeying"

2010-03-25 Thread Adam Back
Seems people like bottom post around here. On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 8:51 PM, Nicolas Williams wrote: > On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 10:42:38AM -0500, Nicolas Williams wrote: >> On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 11:21:01AM -0400, Perry E. Metzger wrote: >> > Ekr has an interesting blog post up on the question of

Re: "Against Rekeying"

2010-03-25 Thread Stephan Neuhaus
On Mar 23, 2010, at 22:42, Jon Callas wrote: > If you need to rekey, tear down the SSL connection and make a new one. There > should be a higher level construct in the application that abstracts the two > connections into one session. ... which will have its own subtleties and hence probabilit

Re: Question regarding common modulus on elliptic curve cryptosystems

2010-03-25 Thread Matt Crawford
On Mar 21, 2010, at 4:13 PM, Sergio Lerner wrote: > I looking for a public-key cryptosystem that allows commutation of the > operations of encription/decryption for different users keys > ( Ek(Es(m)) = Es(Ek(m)) ). > I haven't found a simple cryptosystem in Zp or Z/nZ. > > I think the solution

Law Enforcement Appliance Subverts SSL

2010-03-25 Thread Rui Paulo
http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2010/03/packet-forensics/ "At a recent wiretapping convention however, security researcher Chris Soghoian discovered that a small company was marketing internet spying boxes to the feds designed to intercept those communications, without breaking the encryption,

copy of "On the generation of DSS one-time keys"?

2010-03-25 Thread James Muir
Daniel Bleichenbacher presented an implementation attack against DSA in 2001 titled "On the generation of DSS one-time keys". I think it made the rounds as a preprint, but I don't know if it was ever officially published. It's cited frequently (e.g. in the SEC1 doc http://www.secg.org/download/ai

Re: Question regarding common modulus on elliptic curve cryptosystems

2010-03-25 Thread James A. Donald
On 2010-03-22 11:22 PM, Sergio Lerner wrote: Commutativity is a beautiful and powerful property. See "On the power of Commutativity in Cryptography" by Adi Shamir. Semantic security is great and has given a new provable sense of security, but commutative building blocks can be combined to build

Re: "Against Rekeying"

2010-03-25 Thread Jon Callas
On Mar 24, 2010, at 2:07 AM, Stephan Neuhaus wrote: > > On Mar 23, 2010, at 22:42, Jon Callas wrote: > >> If you need to rekey, tear down the SSL connection and make a new one. There >> should be a higher level construct in the application that abstracts the two >> connections into one sessio

Re: Question regarding common modulus on elliptic curve cryptosystems AND E-CASH

2010-03-25 Thread James A. Donald
On 2010-03-23 1:09 AM, Sergio Lerner wrote: I've read some papers, not that much. But I don't mind reinventing the wheel, as long as the new protocol is simpler to explain. Reading the literature, I couldn't find a e-cash protocol which : - Hides the destination / source of payments. - Hides t

Re: "Against Rekeying"

2010-03-25 Thread John Ioannidis
I think the problem is more marketing and less technology. Some marketoid somewhere decided to say that their product supports rekeying (they usually call it "key agility"). Probably because they read somewhere that you should change your password frequently (another misconception, but that's f

Re: [vserver] Bought an entropykey - very happy

2010-03-25 Thread Eugen Leitl
From: coderman Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2010 10:50:33 -0700 To: Morlock Elloi Cc: cypherpu...@al-qaeda.net Subject: Re: [vserver] Bought an entropykey - very happy On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 8:43 AM, Morlock Elloi wrote: > While avalanche noise (hoping it doesn't start to tunnel - that current must be a

New Research Suggests That Governments May Fake SSL Certificates

2010-03-25 Thread Dave Kleiman
March 24th, 2010 New Research Suggests That Governments May Fake SSL Certificates Technical Analysis by Seth Schoen http://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2010/03/researchers-reveal-likelihood-governments-fake-ssl ""Today two computer security researchers, Christopher Soghoian and Sid Stamm, released a

Re: Law Enforcement Appliance Subverts SSL

2010-03-25 Thread dan
Rui Paulo writes: -+--- | http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2010/03/packet-forensics/ | | "At a recent wiretapping convention however, security researcher Chris = | Soghoian discovered that a small company was marketing internet spying = | boxes to the feds designed to intercept t

Blog post from Matt Blaze about Soghoian & Stamm paper

2010-03-25 Thread Perry E. Metzger
Matt has an interesting blog post up about the Soghoian & Stamm SSL interception paper: http://www.crypto.com/blog/spycerts -- Perry E. Metzgerpmetz...@cis.upenn.edu Department of Computer and Information Science, University of Pennsylvania -

Re: "Against Rekeying"

2010-03-25 Thread Ben Laurie
On 24/03/2010 08:28, Simon Josefsson wrote: > "Perry E. Metzger" writes: > >> Ekr has an interesting blog post up on the question of whether protocol >> support for periodic rekeying is a good or a bad thing: >> >> http://www.educatedguesswork.org/2010/03/against_rekeying.html >> >> I'd be intere

Re: "Against Rekeying"

2010-03-25 Thread Nicolas Williams
On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 01:24:16PM +, Ben Laurie wrote: > Note, however, that one of the reasons the TLS renegotiation attack was > so bad in combination with HTTP was that reauthentication did not result > in use of the new channel to re-send the command that had resulted in a > need for reaut

Re: "[Not] Against Rekeying"

2010-03-25 Thread james hughes
On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 11:21:01AM -0400, Perry E. Metzger wrote: > Ekr has an interesting blog post up on the question of whether protocol > support for periodic rekeying is a good or a bad thing: > > http://www.educatedguesswork.org/2010/03/against_rekeying.html On Mar 23, 2010, at 4:23 PM, Ada