Re: [css-d] Font size dilemma

2009-03-15 Thread Michael Adams
On Sat, 14 Mar 2009 18:42:06 -1000 Came this utterance formulated by david to my mailbox: Jukka K. Korpela wrote: Michael Stevens wrote: Calibri I have but do not have installed all the time and use it maybe a couple times a month. And I've never heard of Vrinda. I picked up Vrinda

Re: [css-d] Font size dilemma

2009-03-15 Thread david
Michael Adams wrote: On Sat, 14 Mar 2009 18:42:06 -1000 Came this utterance formulated by david to my mailbox: Jukka K. Korpela wrote: Michael Stevens wrote: Calibri I have but do not have installed all the time and use it maybe a couple times a month. And I've never heard of Vrinda. I

Re: [css-d] Font size dilemma

2009-03-15 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
david wrote: I don't expect Office 2007 use to establish itself, but that's just my opinion. May well be right. For instance: OpenOffice is officially recommended as alternative to / upgrade-replacement for MS Office(s) and other proprietary office software in my country. The bottom line

Re: [css-d] Font size dilemma

2009-03-15 Thread Tim Climis
I would imagine setting a browser minimum font size to bring (say) cnn.com back to 100% font size equivalent would have no effect on a site set to 100% font size; very little effect on one set to say 85%; but running the browser in some zoom mode to get cnn to 100% equiv would blow our

[css-d] :: molly :: Font size dilemma

2009-03-15 Thread David Laakso
Gunlaug Sørtun wrote: ... Of course: no web designer really has to play it safe, and we're still free to make up our own math and take our chances. We /may/ hit right here and there now and then ;-) regards Georg Nice summation for this thread imo. These discussions, more

[css-d] Size calculations

2009-03-15 Thread Ib Jensen
Hi. I'm looking for some kind of formular to calculate sizes. This is a hypotetical question: I want a 2 column design with header and footer, a left nav- and info-column, and a right content-column. Centered. Lets say the size are: Header and footer : 90% These two columns together: 80%

Re: [css-d] Suckerfish in Wordpress - 'current page' in sub menu

2009-03-15 Thread Carla Bruni
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Re: [css-d] Font size dilemma

2009-03-15 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Tim Climis wrote: I have a related question, because when I first took up CSS in my designs in 2002 or so, I used to size my fonts in points. That was what word processing programs did it in, so that was how I did it. I gradually learned through online reading that that was not the

Re: [css-d] Size calculations

2009-03-15 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Ib Jensen wrote: How do I change these measurements to: em What are those hypothetical '%' you want to convert to hypothetical 'em', relative to? That is: what is your hypothetical 100% starting-width? You can't convert anything to 'em' without having an absolute starting point. regards

Re: [css-d] Size calculations

2009-03-15 Thread Bill Brown
Ib Jensen wrote: I want a 2 column design with header and footer, a left nav- and info-column, and a right content-column. Centered. Header and footer : 90% These two columns together: 80% Left column: 20-25% Content column : 80-75% How do I change these measurements to: em Use ems...and

Re: [css-d] Size calculations

2009-03-15 Thread Bill Brown
Bill Brown wrote: /* FLOAT BEHAVIOR SWITCH FOR IE */ #page-panel { display: inline-block; } #page-panel { display: block; position:relative; } I lied: remove the position:relative from that last block. That's an artifact from another template. Sorry. -- !--

Re: [css-d] Size calculations

2009-03-15 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Ib Jensen wrote: The template should fill a total of 90% of the viewport / screen. I don't know if this clears something. Not really. My viewport / screen is 3840pixel wide on one machine, but it is 1280pixel wide on another machine and 1440pixel wide on yet another. No problem filling all

Re: [css-d] Size calculations

2009-03-15 Thread Ib Jensen
2009/3/15 Bill Brown macnim...@gmail.com: Bill Brown wrote: /* FLOAT BEHAVIOR SWITCH FOR IE */ #page-panel { display: inline-block; } #page-panel { display: block; } I lied: remove the position:relative from that last block. That's an artifact from another template. Sorry. It should be as

Re: [css-d] Size calculations

2009-03-15 Thread Ib Jensen
2009/3/15 Gunlaug Sørtun gunla...@c2i.net: Ib Jensen wrote: How do I change these measurements to: em What are those hypothetical '%' you want to convert to hypothetical 'em', relative to? That is: what is your hypothetical 100% starting-width? You can't convert anything to 'em' without

Re: [css-d] Size calculations

2009-03-15 Thread Ib Jensen
2009/3/15 Gunlaug Sørtun gunla...@c2i.net: Ib Jensen wrote: My viewport / screen is 3840pixel wide on one machine, but it is 1280pixel wide on another machine and 1440pixel wide on yet another. Kind a the same problem here: I'm developing on a 19 widescreen, resolution unknown for the

Re: [css-d] Size calculations

2009-03-15 Thread Bill Brown
Ib Jensen wrote: The template should fill a total of 90% of the viewport / screen. I want the header and footer in the template to fill 90% of the viewport / screen. The left- and content-column in the template should only fill 80% of the viewport / screen. I don't know if this clears

Re: [css-d] Size calculations

2009-03-15 Thread Ib Jensen
2009/3/15 Bill Brown macnim...@gmail.com: Ib Jensen wrote: If you don't care about IE, or you're not using full-height column backgrounds, you can get away with this: I do care about IE ( a lot of faul words ), to a certain limit IE6 and up. And wish to use full-height columns without

[css-d] Epileptic DIV jumping in IE on initial page load (disappears after resize)

2009-03-15 Thread Ramon Felciano
Hi all -- I'm trying to track down the source of an annoying CSS jumping problem that happens when loading http://www.emmacarlson.com/emmablog/ in IE. During page load, the left-hand nav jumps back and forth between the left size and center of the page, and often ends up stuck in the middle after

Re: [css-d] Epileptic DIV jumping in IE on initial page load (disappears after resize)

2009-03-15 Thread Bill Brown
Ramon Felciano wrote: Hi all -- I'm trying to track down the source of an annoying CSS jumping problem that happens when loading http://www.emmacarlson.com/emmablog/ in IE. During page load, the left-hand nav jumps back and forth between the left size and center of the page, and often ends

Re: [css-d] Size calculations

2009-03-15 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Ib Jensen wrote: That means roughly, that a developer should have at least three screens with different resolutions and X number of browsers installed, on different systems, to in fact have a chance to guess which size of units to use. Not at all. You can check all conditions on a screen

Re: [css-d] Font size dilemma

2009-03-15 Thread Bob Rosenberg
At 11:01 + on 03/13/2009, Bobby Jack wrote about Re: [css-d] Font size dilemma: Having said all that, I don't think we need to be too dogmatic about it. Web pages are NOT the same as books - I believe there should be more of a visual identity to a site than just a logo and a couple of

Re: [css-d] Font size dilemma

2009-03-15 Thread Bob Rosenberg
At 21:26 -0400 on 03/14/2009, Felix Miata wrote about Re: [css-d] Font size dilemma: It's also possible for fonts to show up at the preferred size, regardless how large or small that happens to be. It's also possible that the difficulties resulting from common too small fonts will be reduced or

Re: [css-d] Size calculations

2009-03-15 Thread Michael Adams
On Sun, 15 Mar 2009 21:12:39 +0100 Came this utterance formulated by Gunlaug Sørtun to my mailbox: Ib Jensen wrote: That means roughly, that a developer should have at least three screens with different resolutions and X number of browsers installed, on different systems, to in fact

Re: [css-d] Font size dilemma

2009-03-15 Thread Bob Rosenberg
At 16:59 +0100 on 03/15/2009, =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Gunlaug_S=F8rtun?= wrote about Re: [css-d] Font size dilemma: 6: if a printed work has too small text, the end-user can either use a magnifying glass or throw the entire work into the fireplace. Or just buy the book (or get it from your local public

Re: [css-d] Size calculations

2009-03-15 Thread Ib Jensen
2009/3/15 Gunlaug Sørtun gunla...@c2i.net: Ib Jensen wrote: First: get the terms, and sizes, right. Resolution is somewhere between 72 and 300dpi and most viewports/screens are between 640 and 3600px wide. Resolution vs pixel-width affect actual screen size, so a 2400px wide screen with

[css-d] Was : Size calculations

2009-03-15 Thread Ib Jensen
Hi A little layout issue. Link : http://ikjensen.dk/test/ Pictures: Link : http://ikjensen.dk/test/capture_ff.jpg Link : http://ikjensen.dk/test/capture_ie.jpg I tryed a layout suggestion mentioned in the thread: Size calculations. But had this weird layout issue on my screen, as seen on

Re: [css-d] Size calculations

2009-03-15 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Ib Jensen wrote: By this, you mean that, how should I write it: [...] Some say elastic when they mean fluid layouts, while some say elastic when they mean em-sized layouts. Confusing. To cut through; for the basic layout, I mean: 1: Fluid layout: all widths in '%'. (One can also use

Re: [css-d] Font size dilemma

2009-03-15 Thread Richard Mason
On Sun, 15 Mar 2009, Tim Climis wrote I gradually learned through online reading that that was not the right way to do it, and stopped, but I've never been able to figure out why it's wrong in the first place. One reason is that points are inches and some people who write about these topics

Re: [css-d] Font size dilemma

2009-03-15 Thread Felix Miata
On 2009/03/15 17:14 (GMT-0400) Bob Rosenberg composed: There is also the problem that the character height on a site designed on a Windows Machine makes the characters look smaller on a Macintosh Computer (to get the same image size on the Mac you must bump the size up one notch). This has

Re: [css-d] Font size dilemma

2009-03-15 Thread david
Tim Climis wrote: Most graphic arts programs have the ability to guess the size of a pixel on your monitor, presumably from your drivers or some setting in your OS or something, so it seems that web browsers must be able to do that same thing. So it stands to reason that if you want your

Re: [css-d] Font size dilemma

2009-03-15 Thread Felix Miata
On 2009/03/14 18:42 (GMT-1000) david composed: Well, in my 20+ years of using computers, including desktop publishing, graphic and web design work - I've never used a computer that had either Calibri or Vrinda on it. And I used to be a real font junky! (That spans every version of Windows,

Re: [css-d] Font size dilemma

2009-03-15 Thread Philippe Wittenbergh
On Mar 16, 2009, at 2:14 PM, Felix Miata wrote: Well, in my 20+ years of using computers, including desktop publishing, graphic and web design work - I've never used a computer that had either Calibri or Vrinda on it. And I used to be a real font junky! (That spans every version of